Thanks VV Cephei but I still have a long way to go.

Mission 4 - a club

This is a full version of my game last night. BTW, good news, txted the frenchie this morning and we are having a coffee in an art museum this afternoon. Gettttttt in there.

Before Mission 4
I recalled what I learnt from Kasabi - a plan that I have a day2 with my target, a plan that my target do all the talking but I will lead her to my path, a plan that I can use my observation of them to make out some topics to talk to. From this, I came up the following two ideas:

1.) Art galleries and museums - I am not a cultural guy but love going art galleries and museums occasionally. This is my excuse to get a common ground with my potential target.

2.) Clubs in London - I do know quite a few clubs in London. The way I use this excuse is to lead them to talk about clubbing. From there, I will ask them to go out with me.

Of course, the more, the merrier. There is a lot of topics I should prepare. However, they are only topics which I have more knowledge about. I did a mistake in the past, I talked about rock musics with a rock chick but I messed up in the end because I could not keep up with her.

I am still not so sure if I did it right, especially my tactics, but I will revise in a couple days.

I still have some canned materials with me, just in case if I need them to back me up. Darren Brown's paper - scissor - rock game, club game, 5-lie game and some jokes.

To be continued because I need to get changed for my date

In Mission 4

The dutch - HB7.5

Technique checklist

1.) Kasabi’s suggestion – a plan evolves into an one of having day 2. Like I suggested myself before. DONE
2.) Slywalker's suggestion – Going to talk to your target with massive confidence. DONE I went up the dutch and her friend with a smile and confidence and said something as follows:
Me: Whatzup, girls? Are you girls twins?
Dutch and her friend: Haha, nope, we are just good friends.
3.) 60 years’ method – Half open your eyes and talk less. DONE
4.) Stealth’s method – only the micro-communication level, for example, I said something like, imagine if we go to the club, or if we do something like blah blah…… DONE
5.) Darren Brown's scissor-paper -rock game and some practical jokes.



Mistake 1
The conversation was not very flowing because I was too nervous. Although the moment I went into two of them, I was so confident. Afterwards I struggled to get a right topic to talk to. One of the reasons is that I haven't got enough preparation beforehand.

Mistake 2
The dutch’s friend was the one I flirted with two months ago and I didn’t get lucky with. May be it was not a good idea to talk to them

Mistake 3
May bee too rushing to get her phone numbers but without a proper excuse. I tried to get her talk about clubbing and based on this to seek if I could get a common ground and then have a number close. It didn’t work out what I want.


Learning Outcomes
She looked away couple of times and not very engaged in our conversation. I think this is the sign she was not interested. Except the time when I played Derran Brown’s game. She was interested in it and laughed.

To be continued.... I did a bit day game yesterday after I met the frenchie. Will post my field report of them soon. I need to go back to do my research now.

Hey RonnyC,

You studied math for 10 years so I'm assuming you earned a PhD or an equivalent degree. In your initial post, you wrote that you'd like to sleep with 30 girls. I have a message for you. If you wanted to, you could get just about any girl out there. This isn't a wild guess or a pep talk. What I am telling you simply the way our World works. You automatically have a larger dating pool than most guys out there.

Why?

Because you're a bad-ass motherfucker.

Why?

Because the average person cannot study math for 10 years to earn a higher degree. Forget all of this PUA nonsense for a moment and consider who drives culture; how do they do it? Women leverage their physical appearance and men leverage their achievements.

A commonality amongst high status men is achievement; they are able to accomplish things that the average man cannot. Make no mistake, women are not attracted to football, financial engineering, or even a particular song of a musician. What they are attracted to is the status of those men; they are attracted to the level of achievements.

You probably think studying math for 10 years is a normal thing because you did it and your classmates did it. A great majority of people in the World could never do this even in their wildest dreams; this is something special. Men respect you and women are attracted to you. And I can only theorize how this happens. There some common traits amongst people who achieve . . . and plenty of these traits are tangible and identifiable. Women have a radar for this. What I am telling you is that women are already attracted to you simply because of you and your abilities to achieve. I know this may sound narcissistic but it's reality. If you can accept it, you'll realize that the World you've been living in isn't quite what you thought.

Do not let some jealous loudmouths or low self esteemed girls shift your perception of reality. Girls are more nervous of you than you are of them. Your only task is to facilitate a smooth path for girls to exercise their attraction for you. This means that everything that you do should lead you closer to intimacy.

Read Chief's sexual escalation part I and II.

A lot of it has to do with kino . . . touching. If you are not a handsy motherfucker yet, practice. Practice on EVERYTHING. People who kino well do it because they HAVE TO do it. You've seen people like this before; they see fine furniture and they run their hand along the grain and appreciate it. They see velvet and they feel for its softness. It's just a habit of feeding their tactile senses. Get in the habit of doing this. You'll soon be holding her elbow during a joke. You'll soon be holding her hand to reinforce a comment. . . these things will happen naturally.

Avoid the shotgun method. Having eyes half closed and talking less is the OPPOSITE of being cheery and suggesting future dates. Find one that feels good to you and stick with it.

I have just got too much work commitments these days. I still have done all my field reports yet. Today I so dont' want to do my work. I want to chill out in a cafe doing my day game.

I know I haven't finished my previous field report but started something new. I will get back to it later because I have something important to share now. I was planning to go out this evening, but I put off my idea at the last minute because I didn't have a proper plan yet. I want to sit down on my own tonight and tried write out some proper game plans.

Time: Today
Venue: A uni café
Results: 0

In this mission I did not aim at sarging any girl but learning from them. I wanted to know what sort of topic they love to talk and what sort of guys they are looking for.

As usual, I sat next to two girls pretending reading my research papers with a cup of latte in my hand. Of course, I didn’t read a damn word in my research paper but kept eavesdropping them.

Two girls – a 6.5 no chin japanese babe and a 7.5 tall english model lookalike. The Japanese started off by saying flirting with guys the other night. I couldn’t make her voice out because she sat a bit far from me. However, I completely took in what the English bird said because she sat so closed to me. She said to the Japanese that she had been chased by a guy called Jack and getting a bit smitten with Tim. I cut the long story short. She had a date with jack but didn’t really work out at the end because of some shit. I didn’t know what the shit was. She didn’t explain to the Japanese properly but said he was not the guy she wanted. However, for Tim, she totally opened herself up. From her conversation, I knew the tim guy had a girlfriend but the English still fancied him. She said to the Japanese why she was getting smitten with him. She didn’t like the guy in the first place. Now she completely changes her view on him after she went to a party in oxford and bumped into him there again. It was a very long conversation and I only picked out the key bits to share. Here are you go:

The English: He’s quite a smart guy. He’s doing some sort of postdoc in Oxford University…… He’s totally different from other nerds in academia. He is quite sociable. ………..We were chatting a lot on that night.............................

The Japanese suddenly laughed so loud at that time and said: Good looking hunk hey?

The English: He isn’t particularly tall.

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After that conversation which is the most important lesson to me today, I almost got myself ready to leave the café for my research. Although I still listened to their talking, the rest of their conservation was about their holiday trip and gossiping some girl in their hall. I don’t see any educational purpose to put them up in this tread.

Learning Outcomes


Status
It was totally related to what kasabi suggested in his previous thread.

“Make no mistake, women are not attracted to football, financial engineering, or even a particular song of a musician. What they are attracted to is the status of those men; they are attracted to the level of achievements.”

“Women leverage their physical appearance and men leverage their achievements.”

Guys, the English didn’t even know what sort of postdoc that guy doing, but presumed he was smart. She thought a guy could finish a PhD has some of special status that an average one don’t has. To be honest with you, there are a lot of bad eggs in academia. Some of them you so want to smack their faces and tell him to stop bullshitting……


A Good Conversation
Ah Shame! I don’t know how that tim guy charmed the English on that night. I wished I could know more. This is one bit I should focus on now. A good conversation is a key to any relationship.

Outlook
I don’t elaborate here because what the English said is already a proof.

Possible Changes

a.) Focus on my conversation skills and my kino skills.
b.) Use my achievement as a weapon. I don’t want to come across too complacent with my accomplishment, but I will use it in a very subtle way. If any girl ask me, I will tell them and show them how I am passionate in my research

This is a follow up between the dutch and me. I txted the dutch the other day and tried to hook her up. The following was the whole story:

Me: Congratulation!
A half hour later
The dutch: On what?
A hour later
Me: on what we met the other night. ;P Have you tried that game I taught you the other night on your friends yet?
A hour later
The dutch: Lol, not yet.
Three hours later
Me: I had a very long day. Knackered! What are you up to this weekend =)

Since then, I have no reply from her. I think I lost her……..
I am not so sure I wanted to txt her again. If so, what should I say

In Mission 4

The Spanish 9

There were two Spanish girls and both of them were drop dead gorgeous. Of course, my eyes were only on the HB9.

Technique checklist
Completely same as before, plus Mysterious Method’s ignoring the hot babe method.

The two Spanish girls were not on their own. They were surrounded by other two guys. I went straight in their group by saying hi and introducing myself to them. This time I did not focus on talking to one person but talking to everyone in the set. I focused on HB9’s friend and another guy and ignored the HB9. The plan didn’t go well that what I thought. She ended up leaving me and their friend with another guy. Worse still, I saw her pulling a minger at the end of the party. Crap!

Mistake 1
Bad Execution! I noticed her looking at me and her friend a couple of time when I had a chat with her friend. This was a sign that she wanted to join us. However, I was too slow and not bold enough to talk to her. There were a couple of occasions I could ask her to join us when I played games with her friends but I didn’t.

Learning Outcomes
Next time if I have the same situation, first I will be bold, second, I will use games to get my target involved and finally I will eventually isolate my target alone.

I don't want to do my work this afternoon. This is an obvious sign of lack of motivation on my work and frustration on the girl front.

I want to fuck more good looking girls....

I lost the frenchie and I blew my chance It is the time to face the reality and make more changes in my life to get my game better.

In Mission 4

The frenchie

Technique Checklist
Same as the ones I have mentioned before in the previous post in Mission 4

This time I stood next to my target-- the frenchie when I opened her set up . I had no nonsense but only talked to her. I succeeded and excited her to have Day 2.

Mistake 1
On that night when her friends ask her to leave to catch the last train. She refused but wanted to stay with me. Game on!!! I knew it was a good sign. However, when I sugggested to go to a club, which I could isolate her and escalate Kino, she refused. Then my head went blank and got no tricks and topics to talk. I chickened out. I suggested to leave and meet up the day after for a museum & coffee date.

Learning Outcomes
A plan which excites a girl to meet up again is a key. I didn't see any problem when I tried to "kino" her. I did what I could. Since she didn't touch me back and showed any affection, I backed off a bit.


Day 2

The date didn't go well that I thought because it's day time and I couldnt kino much let alone pulling her. No much topics to talk.

Day 3 --- possibly I call it Night 3
Four days later, I organised a night out with my friends and her friends. it was ok that night. We danced so close together but not good enough to have a kiss close. I "kinoed" her a lot and she did give her response by touching me back. I thought it was a come on, but since her friend kept disappeared all the time, she always got distracted by this and kept looking for her friend. It annoyed me a lot. Eventually, I ended up on my own again.

Mistake 1
After Day 3, I was s bit useless on txting her. I always waited a least a couple of hours to reply her messages. My original thought of doing this is to build a tension of attraction. This technique I copied from one of Slywalker's threads. However, when I revised back his thread last night. I realised I didn't execute it right because I didn't bulid a good rapport, let alone a kiss close in day 2.

Learning Outcomes
From now on, I will focus on the techniques which I can get a kiss-close on Day 2. I will widen my spectrum of general knowledge in order to get more interesting topics to talk to girls. Moreover, next time when I replied a girl's question, I will do it within an hour to show that I was keen, but not too desperate or apathetic.

P.S. At the moment, the two things in my head are to increase the successful rate on having Day 2, possible around 1 out of 2 tries and making a proper plan to open up a girl.

For the last couples of days, I did some day games in a cafe or a yoga class. Will share with you guys later. Back to work now.

In regards to 'highlighting' your achievements:

You don't need to consciously do it. My point was that they have a 'radar' for picking up on your qualities that allowed you to achieve. I would avoid lengthy discussions about math and your research. This would be just as silly as a guy talking to a girl about football or the stock market all night long. Remember, they are not excited about those topics. . . they don't need to know the specifics of your work, just as that girl had NO idea what the hell English guy was studying. Also, keep in mind that high achievers don't talk to much about their shit. To them, it's 'normal'. It's somewhat boring. They do it everyday.

It's always the guys who have nothing going for them who blabber on endlessly about whatever the hell it is that they have never done . . .

I'm not sure which 'conversation style' feels more comfortable for you but I'm always corralling the conversation towards a 2nd meeting and/or a "let's go make out like a pair of high school kids." By this, I mean a girl can toss any question/statement my way and I will bridge from topic to topic until it ends up in one of the two results above. You might think that this is complicated but all you need is a few 'real life places/events" in your mind and a few "crazy fantasy stories" to share. Sometimes, I don't even get to the end of the flowchart before the girls stop me.

Last weekend, a group of girls standing next to us at a bar were chatting and I heard, "dildo."

K: Hey, I heard 'dildo'.
Girls: ?
K: It must be my selective hearing because I heard, "blah, blah, dildo, blah, blah, orgasm, blah, blah vagina, blah, blah. I have no idea what you're talking about but I like the topic."

So after some chit chat the tall brunette with curly hair asks, "So what do you do?" Let me tell you something. A girl never asks this question because she's interested in your work. She asks you this question because she's already attracted to you by the qualities that you've demonstrated. She just wants 1. Confirmation. 2. Justification. She wants to tell herself and her friends that, "Well, he's really smart." Or "He's got the coolest job, project" or "He's so adventurous." Etc . . . (Just like the girl you eavesdropped on)

I avoided the topic with a few bs answers, "taxi driver," . . . "low level entrepreneur" but I knew she'd press. . . they always do. My work involved a lot of travel to interesting parts of the World. . . and when the topic gets to this, it's a cinch to bridge to a 2nd day at a local place/event. She was punching her number into my phone before I had a chance to even suggest a few 'future events'. You'll want to figure out ways to bridge all topics to YOUR topics . . .
^This is an obvious invitation for a ONS. Once you accept the fact that women ARE and WILL be attracted to you, you'll see these invitations much clearer.
It depends on the girl . . . some will reciprocate, others will not. Just know that if she is standing there and ENJOYING what you're doing, this is a 'green light'. Keep going!
Essentially, by not pressing further, you did exactly what she did . . . You backed out. She's thinking what you're thinking now. "Why isn't he into me?"
You had PLENTY of rapport when you were face to face with her. Don't bother trying to do this with texting when you haven't progressed in real life. Texting only serves as reinforcement to what you do with her in real life.

Some of Chief's threads that you should consider:

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There is a part I of ^this thread as well.

good stuff man, its hard in the beginning, i forget who said it but 'your first 1000 sets don't count'. It looks like you are doing a lot of reading which is good to get a feel for the material at the start, but the real learning is done in the field. The more practice the better you get, so try and open everything, haha much easier said than done.

@kasabi.

PhD in math affecting you PU results-load of crap. Not that I hav PhD in anything, but I know quite a few PhD guys...let's say they aren't big pimps...not even small ones. As far as confirmation of intelligence goes, you can always talk about some BS project you're working on.

but good job trying to give him something to base his confidence on. Even if its bs.

Thanks for bringing this up because I think this is topic worth discussing. So let's get this straight:

Your statement: High achievement in academia ≠ PU success.
Reason: You know quite a few who suck at it.
Assumption: Because the high achievers you know suck at PU, high achievement ≠ PU success.

I agree with all of ^this. However, what I suggested to Ronnyc is that his dating pool is automatically larger than average people due to his achievements. You are observing the wrong people if you want proof of this reality. Instead, talk to women . . . and not just some girl you're trying to pick up but the girls you've already known intimately who trust you. Sure, they might tell you that they're into some 'hot guy' but above this criteria, they will always mention the achievements of the men they desire. And I agree some can get away with a lot of bullshitting to confirm their intelligence . . . but think about this carefully; the ability to convince others through bullshit = an ability to communicate. This is a proof of 'high achievement' in communication skills. Some women might gravitate to specific sectors of achievement but the commonality is achievement itself.

Again, I agree that high achievement ≠ PU success . . . but it's my contention that people who've experienced achievement are better positioned to succeed in PU than those who have never experienced achievement. 1. Because women find them more desirable. 2. They have a habit of following through with what they've started. 3. They are simply smarter.

#3 is often debated amongst commercial PU's. . . and too often, they proclaim that they'd rather 'coach' dumber guys because they don't over think things and do as they're told. They can tell a dumb guy to go approach some girl and he'll just do it instead of thinking about it. I'd say that this: 1. Is a marketing hook grab a larger market. - "Anybody can do it." 2. Makes their lives a lot easier because less cerebral kids just do as they're told. 3. Ironical because most 'successful' coaches are cerebral high achievers who have the ability to organize study materials, teach them, and then help their students apply these materials out on the field.

And from a strategic point of view, the smart guy can be flexible. They can always 'dumb down' a little depending on their social environment while the average guy is stuck with average.
The irony is that this "base" for confidence requires no BS. The achievement speaks for itself whereas confidence that is gained without any substance is nothing more than a good imagination. If you know high achievers who suck with girls . . . and if you consider them your friends, I'd suggest you offer them the message I've written here. There are plenty high achievers in ALL FACETS of life who do not understand this and thus let their potentially fruitful dating years slide by. This is not only sad for them but sad for the women who desire them.

Time: last night
Venue: A posh bar in Central London
Results: a kiss close with the frenchie

Thanks Kasabi, I think you should deserve all my points I have in my profile. If you were in London, I would buy you ten pints in return of your favour.

You exactly spotted on everything regarding to the rapport between the frechie and me in my previous post. Yes, I got it totally wrong. She completely fell for me last night.

Here is the full story:

Since I copied the Slywalker's idea of building tension of attraction, plus slightly got a bit frustrated, I didn't call or txt frenchie for almost a week. Yesterday morning I got a message from the frechie saying meeting up for a drink last night. Then I reckon she may be interested in smth more than a meet up. I wasn’t very sure at that time but after I recalled what kasabi suggested in my previous thread. It could be true she was desperate to see me again. I delayed to reply her till three hours later and asked her to meet up in a posh club in London. She agreed.

Technique Checklist

1.) All Kasabi’s suggestions in my threads
2.) Chief’s ideas on building sexual tension and escalating kino.
3.) Mystery method’s truth and dare game
4.) The Cube.
5.) Some funny apps on my iphone
6.) A trick of accusing your target being drunk and suggest her touch your chin by her nose (I copied it from someone else’s thread but I can’t remember who the contributor is)

In the mission
I picked her up last night from the tube station and then I took her straight into my usual bar which is quite upmarket and posh. The good thing about this bar is full of sofas which I can get close to the frechie if I want to escalate kino.

I started off by telling her some crazy stories happened to me last week. I jazzed the stories up a bit, which I could crack her up. It worked. Then afterwards we talked about galleries and exhibitions since she loves art. Most of time I let her talked. When that topic came to a bit died down I moved on to play some truth and dare game on her. All the questions I asked related to sex and sexual positions. She was up for it. From that point, I started to kino her a lot. However, I didn’t get any reciprocating response from her. This frustration didn’t make me I back out. I kept going. I started talking about psychology and brought up the cube. She didn’t like psychology but she was still willing to play. I asked her the first question about describing the size the cube. She answered. Then I asked to her to imagine she could touch the cube from the outside to the inside and told me how she felt. At the same time, I grabbed her hand and directed to my arm and my chest. She followed my lead. When I let go my hand, her hand was still in my arm and then my chest. At that point, I knew the game was on. I accused her of being drunk and handsy. She laughed. Then I asked her to touch my chin by her nose to prove she was still sober. She followed. When her nose was very close to my chin, at that slip second I kissed her. She pulled out. She looked at me and I looked her back . I put my arm around her shoulder, deepened my voice and whispered her ear saying that I was the best kisser ever. Then I pulled her again. She surrendered. From that point, we snogged like no tomorrow and my hands pretty were everywhere of her body.

After midnight, she asked to leave and go home. I was polite and didn’t force her to stay because I know she was very into me, plus I didn’t want to rush things. I dropped her at the tube station. I gave her a goodbye kiss.



Learning Outcomes

Kasabi, you are a legend.

Questions

How can I get a F-close? I may see her again this Thursday for a night out.

What is the best way to kiss and arouse a girl?