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This is one of those things thats bitter-sweet...

It does hold some truth to it, however I think what a girl wants is a guy they know could have any other girl in the world in a split second if he wanted to but just chooses her for _____ reasons.

It also depends on the girl and the experiences they had in the past.. Don't for a minute think "all" girls are like this. Some are though; and if your beginning to question your relationship based off a film I think you may wanna make sure this girl is really the one you want to be with anyway..

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Which brings me to what I think is my final questions for now...
Without being self absorbed - how can you be a leader yet supportive and have that work?
What mack also saying is you can't have your cake and eat it too.. You just can't. The world isn't perfect, you won't get everything. Thats why you make choices.. you always gain something and lose something else..

Finally.. To you power in the relationship question.. I'll asnwer this with a question.." Do you think shes on some girly forum posting about her troubles with her internal issues in her relationship/..

Power is in the mentality, not physically...

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Bluebeard is an immensely wealthy aristocrat, feared and shunned because of his "frightfully ugly" blue beard. He has been married several times, but no one knows what became of his wives. He is therefore avoided by the local girls. When Bluebeard visits one of his neighbours and asks to marry one of her two daughters, the girls are terrified, and each tries to pass him on to the other. Eventually he persuades the younger daughter to visit him, and after hosting a wonderful banquet, he convinces her to marry him. After the ceremony she goes to live with him in his château.

Very shortly after, Bluebeard announces that he must leave the country for a while; he gives all the keys of the château to his new wife, telling her they open the doors to rooms which contain his treasures. He tells her to use the keys freely, and enjoy herself whilst he is away. However, he also gives her the key to one small room beneath the castle, stressing to her that she must not enter this room under any circumstances. She vows she will never enter the room. He then goes away and leaves the house in her hands. Immediately she is overcome with the desire to see what the forbidden room holds, and despite warnings from her visiting sister, Anne, the girl abandons her guests during a house party, and takes the key to the room.

The wife immediately discovers the room's horrible secret: its floor is awash with blood, and the murdered bodies of her husband's former wives hang from hooks on the walls. Horrified, she drops the key into the pool of blood. She flees the room, but the blood staining the key will not wash off. She reveals her murderous husband's secret to her sister, and both plan to flee the castle the next day. But Bluebeard returns home unexpectedly the next morning, and, noticing the blood on the key, immediately knows his wife has broken her vow. In a blind rage he threatens to behead her on the spot, but she implores him to give her a quarter of an hour to say her prayers. He consents, so she locks herself in the highest tower with Anne. While Bluebeard, sword in hand, tries to break down the door, the sisters wait for their two brothers to arrive. At the last moment, as Bluebeard is about to deliver the fatal blow, the brothers break into the castle, and as he attempts to flee, they kill him. He leaves no heirs but his wife, who inherits all his great fortune. She uses part of it for a dowry to marry off her sister, another part for her brothers' captains commissions, and the rest to marry a worthy gentleman who makes her forget her horrible encounter with Bluebeard.


give a woman the key to your treasure room and you are fucked...woman like jewelry for a reason.. do not give her the key and you have no connection and openness...keep secrets for yourself.. do not let anyone to intrude your inner safe haven.

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Not that I'm disagreeing, just asking - what's the problem with being open?

For example, say I'm open and she says "It would be my dream to marry you"
and I reply "We'll see how we go - but I would like to keep you forever too" (Open)

Is that the kind of openness were talking about?
If not, give me an example if possible


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Not that I'm disagreeing, just asking - what's the problem with being open?

For example, say I'm open and she says "It would be my dream to marry you"
and I reply "We'll see how we go - but I would like to keep you forever too" (Open)

Is that the kind of openness were talking about?
If not, give me an example if possible
i've offered all i can offer on this topic.

the rest you will have to seek, interpret, learn, and experience for yourself.

i wanted to immerse you in some concepts.

not hold your hand down the path.

i'm not saying:

- that there is anything wrong with openness
- that there are certain tactics/exact things to say/do

what i am saying:

- is exactly what i said in the post

it's open to interpretation

some concepts are so big, so fundamental, so universal...

it trivializes them and does no good to try to pin them down.

it's like having a philosophical discussion over:

"why humans need to breathe"

because it's a fundamental truth.

it's base level.

kind of like the difference between giving you a fish and teaching you to fish.

instead of splitting hairs and asking for exact details...

just marinate in the larger concepts for awhile.

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I love the verb marinate used in other realms than food preparation :) It just sinks in LOL :)

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Not that I'm disagreeing, just asking - what's the problem with being open?

For example, say I'm open and she says "It would be my dream to marry you"
and I reply "We'll see how we go - but I would like to keep you forever too" (Open)

Is that the kind of openness were talking about?
If not, give me an example if possible
i've offered all i can offer on this topic.

the rest you will have to seek, interpret, learn, and experience for yourself.

i wanted to immerse you in some concepts.

not hold your hand down the path.

i'm not saying:

- that there is anything wrong with openness
- that there are certain tactics/exact things to say/do

what i am saying:

- is exactly what i said in the post

it's open to interpretation

some concepts are so big, so fundamental, so universal...

it trivializes them and does no good to try to pin them down.

it's like having a philosophical discussion over:

"why humans need to breathe"

because it's a fundamental truth.

it's base level.

kind of like the difference between giving you a fish and teaching you to fish.

instead of splitting hairs and asking for exact details...

just marinate in the larger concepts for awhile.
Shit! Mac has turned into so philosophical genius LOL

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what do people mean with being open ?

does it mean cutting your dick off and handing it to her ?

is it about a emotional connect ?

what the fuck is it about ? what is the individual underlaying context ?

show a woman who you are and what you are about... but do it in a way so they cannot manipulate you.

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being open...

not being contrived.

being genuine...

saying whatever you think, want, feel.

without reservation for "how she will react" or "if it is attractive" to her

being open.

defined.

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Bluebeard is an immensely wealthy aristocrat, feared and shunned because of his "frightfully ugly" blue beard. He has been married several times, but no one knows what became of his wives. He is therefore avoided by the local girls. When Bluebeard visits one of his neighbours and asks to marry one of her two daughters, the girls are terrified, and each tries to pass him on to the other. Eventually he persuades the younger daughter to visit him, and after hosting a wonderful banquet, he convinces her to marry him. After the ceremony she goes to live with him in his château.

Very shortly after, Bluebeard announces that he must leave the country for a while; he gives all the keys of the château to his new wife, telling her they open the doors to rooms which contain his treasures. He tells her to use the keys freely, and enjoy herself whilst he is away. However, he also gives her the key to one small room beneath the castle, stressing to her that she must not enter this room under any circumstances. She vows she will never enter the room. He then goes away and leaves the house in her hands. Immediately she is overcome with the desire to see what the forbidden room holds, and despite warnings from her visiting sister, Anne, the girl abandons her guests during a house party, and takes the key to the room.

The wife immediately discovers the room's horrible secret: its floor is awash with blood, and the murdered bodies of her husband's former wives hang from hooks on the walls. Horrified, she drops the key into the pool of blood. She flees the room, but the blood staining the key will not wash off. She reveals her murderous husband's secret to her sister, and both plan to flee the castle the next day. But Bluebeard returns home unexpectedly the next morning, and, noticing the blood on the key, immediately knows his wife has broken her vow. In a blind rage he threatens to behead her on the spot, but she implores him to give her a quarter of an hour to say her prayers. He consents, so she locks herself in the highest tower with Anne. While Bluebeard, sword in hand, tries to break down the door, the sisters wait for their two brothers to arrive. At the last moment, as Bluebeard is about to deliver the fatal blow, the brothers break into the castle, and as he attempts to flee, they kill him. He leaves no heirs but his wife, who inherits all his great fortune. She uses part of it for a dowry to marry off her sister, another part for her brothers' captains commissions, and the rest to marry a worthy gentleman who makes her forget her horrible encounter with Bluebeard.
All I got from this is to remember to hide the porn


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That's a good point to bring up Lode, very subjective.

I see openness as pretty much what Mack defined
Saying "I love you" freely if you feel she's done something really nice and it makes you smile (assuming you are at that stage in the relationship - obviously not if this is a girl you've been dating for 3 nights)
Randomly sending a text around once a week just assuring her that you're thinking about her. Nothing too over the top, just a "Thinking about you baby, can't wait to see you next" which admits you miss her.
In the most extreme case, being open for me was admitting at the beginning of the relationship to my girl that I find it hard to trust women, and that I have low faith in relationships. This fear is gone.

I admitted that I liked her a lot, and could see myself being with her forever (after she said it first of course). This I consider is being very open.

Note: Girls respond differently to this. Usually admitting to a girl that you have insecurities will lower her attraction to you big time. The one I happen to be dating is (I assume one of the few) who saw strength in that somehow, literally telling me "You are such a man. No other guy I've ever been with has been able to admit he has weakness", insinuating she actually thought being open about myself was a great thing. And to be honest, since that conversation we had (she opened up too) we have grown so much closer. She's actually admitted it would be her dream to marry me, but was so worried about telling me incase it scared me off. It did a little bit, I replied that we should just keep it up and if it gets to that it gets to that.
I'm also ranting now...

ANYWAY - I say it's rare to find women that are attracted to certain "Beta" traits, such as those which are apart of myself. The biggest one being open - I feel having nothing to hide is the best way to see if a girl is worth your time. Even what I'm about to say is considered very AFC, but I stick to it until something goes horribly wrong and I change my thought processes drastically, but - If she accepts you for who you are (I mean who you REALLY are), she is one of the few females worth keeping.
I know this view will be rejected by many on this forum who have been burned before, but not everyone is the same and not every girl actually wants a guy who is *constantly* "alpha". Personally I have traits of both "alpha" and "beta" in me, and I think with my current girl that works out really well.


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it doesn't matter if she likes you being alpha or not ..

instinct and human evolution is at work here .. as long you are alpha she will be attracted to you.

i've had a 2 month relationship with a ex girlfriend.. she broke up with me because i was '' too indifferent'' .. after breaking up she contacted me DAILY.. calling me names and shit testing me non stop.

attraction is a whole different thing...

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Wow this thread is amazing mack you are like me espically on the fighting part. i use to always think it was only me who was a quiet lad dont realy enjoy confrontation. but when i switch it shocks people an im quite small i do exactly the same i go to kill, im like a lion start showing my teeth an that.

Back in my afc days a girl i was with was actually telling me she likes to be treated like shit an still i went against her an treated her like a queen. I think i was that afc it actually attracted her a little bit to me so she stayed around, even though she was fucking random badboys.

Its horrible to think of women like that but its true women are here to make babies an there highly skilled at picking out males who will give them the best offspring at the end of the day were animals nothing more.

this post for me = a massive game changer excellent posts from all i count my lucky stars i found pua or my life would be fucking wank right now maybe i wouldnt even be here

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First of all, this is an awesome post. Thanks everyone, it's been an amazing read.

Maybe I'm just young and naive, but I think when it comes down to it it's all about comfort and attraction. Just like courtship, relationships need both. I think the problem is most guys focus on comfort once they find that "one girl" and forget about attraction all together. If you want to keep a woman, you need to keep her attracted, using the very same tools you used at courtship. Being all romantic and open is great but simply not enough.

Also, another thing to think about: If there's no such thing as "partnership", then what's the point, really? Maybe I'm just being naive.

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