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So this chick sent me this message, I am not offended by it at all, so yea heres the message:

"You know you would be soo much more attractive ias a person if you werent so pretentious :)"

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Ok princess, here you go:

"I'm not pretentious, I just got tired of smelling my own ass so I'd figure I'd try yours."

"More attractive as a person if I wasn't so PRETENTIOUS?!? Im Jesus incarnate, being a person is beneath me..."

"Pretentious? At least I don't have to turn on the fan in the bathroom after I take a dump!" (this one suggesting that your shit don't stink)

"If I were so pretentious, why then would I subject myself to talking to you?" (inferring that if you thought so highly of yourself, that you wouldn't lower yourself in talking to her - probably wont read well)
Just a note, You don't need witty responses to a girls shit test, your just playing on her level which is childish.. What you wanna do is flip the situation on her, so she feels like " Why am I even challenging this guy on his bahavior, he's cool as fuck either way"

A text that would of did the trick is " lol I don't remember you being this judgmental"

Now she feels like a bitch, and that'll probably be the last time in a while that she seeks flaw in your character.

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Witty responses don't necessarily have to be childish.

Fuze, I do like that response. It does flip it around on her, which, ultimately, is how you're going to pass shit test, so kudos! :)

My approach is to take it to a flirty level though (even over facebook). Either way, it's all a matter of perception and character.


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Witty responses don't necessarily have to be childish.

Fuze, I do like that response. It does flip it around on her, which, ultimately, is how you're going to pass shit test, so kudos! :)

My approach is to take it to a flirty level though (even over facebook). Either way, it's all a matter of perception and character.
What I mean is, witty responses put her and you on the same level. You are not the prize because you are bantering with her as if she has some power over you. Sure witty responses will land you girls, but the behavior you will be receiving from them girls from time to time won't be worth it.

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Witty responses don't necessarily have to be childish.

Fuze, I do like that response. It does flip it around on her, which, ultimately, is how you're going to pass shit test, so kudos! :)

My approach is to take it to a flirty level though (even over facebook). Either way, it's all a matter of perception and character.
What I mean is, witty responses put her and you on the same level. You are not the prize because you are bantering with her as if she has some power over you. Sure witty responses will land you girls, but the behavior you will be receiving from them girls from time to time won't be worth it.
You are 100% correct, I looked back at this today and I saw myself for what I was. Immature. I was only doing this to entertain myself and some friends, and also have the better one-liner. I think what you were saying, as in flipping the scenario, is genius, I just don't think like that. How can one adjust themselves to give responses like you did?

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So this chick sent me this message, I am not offended by it at all, so yea heres the message:

"You know you would be soo much more attractive ias a person if you werent so pretentious :)"

Thanks!
Ok princess, here you go:

"I'm not pretentious, I just got tired of smelling my own ass so I'd figure I'd try yours."

"More attractive as a person if I wasn't so PRETENTIOUS?!? Im Jesus incarnate, being a person is beneath me..."

"Pretentious? At least I don't have to turn on the fan in the bathroom after I take a dump!" (this one suggesting that your shit don't stink)

"If I were so pretentious, why then would I subject myself to talking to you?" (inferring that if you thought so highly of yourself, that you wouldn't lower yourself in talking to her - probably wont read well)
Thanks babe... your my Luigi. I figure if I gonna be a princess you better at least be something worthy. But your not mario just yet.

In all seriousness, those are good responses, but they also show immaturity. I think in some scenarios yes, but I didn't actually believe she was being 100% serious, she was. But thanks.

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Witty responses don't necessarily have to be childish.

Fuze, I do like that response. It does flip it around on her, which, ultimately, is how you're going to pass shit test, so kudos! :)

My approach is to take it to a flirty level though (even over facebook). Either way, it's all a matter of perception and character.
What I mean is, witty responses put her and you on the same level. You are not the prize because you are bantering with her as if she has some power over you. Sure witty responses will land you girls, but the behavior you will be receiving from them girls from time to time won't be worth it.
You are 100% correct, I looked back at this today and I saw myself for what I was. Immature. I was only doing this to entertain myself and some friends, and also have the better one-liner. I think what you were saying, as in flipping the scenario, is genius, I just don't think like that. How can one adjust themselves to give responses like you did?
You start getting laid...

lol thanks dude :)

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So this chick sent me this message, I am not offended by it at all, so yea heres the message:

"You know you would be soo much more attractive ias a person if you werent so pretentious :)"

Thanks!
Ok princess, here you go:

"I'm not pretentious, I just got tired of smelling my own ass so I'd figure I'd try yours."

"More attractive as a person if I wasn't so PRETENTIOUS?!? Im Jesus incarnate, being a person is beneath me..."

"Pretentious? At least I don't have to turn on the fan in the bathroom after I take a dump!" (this one suggesting that your shit don't stink)

"If I were so pretentious, why then would I subject myself to talking to you?" (inferring that if you thought so highly of yourself, that you wouldn't lower yourself in talking to her - probably wont read well)
Just a note, You don't need witty responses to a girls shit test, your just playing on her level which is childish.. What you wanna do is flip the situation on her, so she feels like " Why am I even challenging this guy on his bahavior, he's cool as fuck either way"

A text that would of did the trick is " lol I don't remember you being this judgmental"

Now she feels like a bitch, and that'll probably be the last time in a while that she seeks flaw in your character.
Was under the assumption Princess was indifferent to this girl, just wanted to throw an idle comeback her way. Immature retorts are good so long as she's got a sarcastic wit about her; actually, they can go some ways in building sexual tension. Operating under the premise that one must always steal the frame is a bit foolish.


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Ok princess, here you go:

"I'm not pretentious, I just got tired of smelling my own ass so I'd figure I'd try yours."

"More attractive as a person if I wasn't so PRETENTIOUS?!? Im Jesus incarnate, being a person is beneath me..."

"Pretentious? At least I don't have to turn on the fan in the bathroom after I take a dump!" (this one suggesting that your shit don't stink)

"If I were so pretentious, why then would I subject myself to talking to you?" (inferring that if you thought so highly of yourself, that you wouldn't lower yourself in talking to her - probably wont read well)
Just a note, You don't need witty responses to a girls shit test, your just playing on her level which is childish.. What you wanna do is flip the situation on her, so she feels like " Why am I even challenging this guy on his bahavior, he's cool as fuck either way"

A text that would of did the trick is " lol I don't remember you being this judgmental"

Now she feels like a bitch, and that'll probably be the last time in a while that she seeks flaw in your character.
Was under the assumption Princess was indifferent to this girl, just wanted to throw an idle comeback her way. Immature retorts are good so long as she's got a sarcastic wit about her; actually, they can go some ways in building sexual tension. Operating under the premise that one must always steal the frame is a bit foolish.
Its not stealing the frame, its having it to begin with an maintaining it..

And witty comments actually ease the sexual tension, because of laughter and/or the playful hits and reactions that occur. I can't remember the last time I gave a witty remark to a shit test and a girl pounced on me... Maybe you have had different experiences

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I don't understand.

If she is testing you and you comeback with a witty response, it catches her off guard and increases you're attractiveness in her eyes (even better if it's flirty). If she's of high confidence and has high standards, she's going wonder why she can't play with you, and continue to shit test you and play with you, to try and get her way, thus creating more tension because she doesn't quite know why you aren't drooling over her, thus frustrating her.

You can use responses and reactions from your witty responses as ways to tease her. I was always gaming under the impression that teasing creates that sort of tension, but I could be wrong?

Not trying to start an argument, just interested in the deeper psychological principles involved. :)


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Just a note, You don't need witty responses to a girls shit test, your just playing on her level which is childish.. What you wanna do is flip the situation on her, so she feels like " Why am I even challenging this guy on his bahavior, he's cool as fuck either way"

A text that would of did the trick is " lol I don't remember you being this judgmental"

Now she feels like a bitch, and that'll probably be the last time in a while that she seeks flaw in your character.
Was under the assumption Princess was indifferent to this girl, just wanted to throw an idle comeback her way. Immature retorts are good so long as she's got a sarcastic wit about her; actually, they can go some ways in building sexual tension. Operating under the premise that one must always steal the frame is a bit foolish.
Its not stealing the frame, its having it to begin with an maintaining it..

And witty comments actually ease the sexual tension, because of laughter and/or the playful hits and reactions that occur. I can't remember the last time I gave a witty remark to a shit test and a girl pounced on me... Maybe you have had different experiences


I understand what you're saying, but being witty infers intelligence, and in some instances charm if one uses a little bit of creativity. It may or may not illicit a laugh; with some women, particularly the sarcastic ones (which I tend to be naturally drawn to, like a magnet), replying with a witty retort demonstrates that you can play on her level (and I'll disagree with you and many PUAs on 'owning' the frame, as at times a woman will lose attraction to you if she intuitively senses that the man is the prize, or somehow more prize-worthy than her - how many PUAs you know have had successful, meaningful relationships with that mentality?); in fact, many women are irresistibly attracted to a guy who pursues her - not to be confused with placating or being submissive to her, but making her feel desirable as a woman. Owning the FRAME typically works on very young naive girls, and women who have low self-esteem. PUAs will attest otherwise simply because their whole motive is bagging as many young, vulnerable chicks as they can get their hands on.

From my experience, the women with the sharp wit generally react positively when you engage them in a game of one-up-manship. That is, you provide a retort that's a bit more humourous/witty than hers. From my experience, it raises sexual tension exponentially than providing a more direct/calling-out comment such as the one you provided. If that method works for you, than all the more power to you, but many of my female friends would see it as a sign of defensiveness (which ironically goes against your intent of 'disarming'/passing a shit test), or even worse, obliterating any sexual tension the two you had built. I see witty, "childish" retorts in one as an intellectualized version of a boy teasing a girl on a playground during recess; it's a fun way to get under her skin and engage in a tit-for-tat playful interaction - also, it's a wonderful way to create a theme/fantasy role play for the two of you can engage in.

I think at the end of the day, as with anything else, you have to know your audience. There are no hard-and-fast rules. Some women will react favorably to your response, while others will respond favorably to mine. At the end of the day all that's important is whether your 'method' is a good fit with the particular type of chick you're trying to get with. I don't know the type of girl Princess is trying to win brownie points with, but I'd certainly one-up her on the response until, of course she submits;)


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It raises attraction but not sexual tension... You just put her on her toes so it increases her interest, doesn't necessarily make her want to fuck you.. Wit without kino will not get you laid, but on the other hand, kino without wit will..

There are guys that are not witty or intelligent, that bang more women than the most witty guy you know...

Witty banter is never ending, there is an higher approach to all of this and that is to be above it, if you want to play into a womens little games, you go ahead... I'll be having sex in the nearest nook while your telling jokes.

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It raises attraction but not sexual tension... You just put her on her toes so it increases her interest, doesn't necessarily make her want to fuck you.. Wit without kino will not get you laid, but on the other hand, kino without wit will..

There are guys that are not witty or intelligent, that bang more women than the most witty guy you know...

Witty banter is never ending, there is an higher approach to all of this and that is to be above it, if you want to play into a womens little games, you go ahead... I'll be having sex in the nearest nook while your telling jokes.
Can you elaborate as to how "it raises attraction, but not sexual tension"? A lot of PUAs bandy this about, but there's never any coherent explanation as to how humour does one, but not the other.

I agree with you on the kino, but that's a whole other conversation as this conversation, to my understanding, is strictly concerning verbal interaction (e.g. texting, sexting, online chat, etc.).

Witty banter can be never-ending, and this is where you would certainly kino, again, assuming you're face-to-face with the girl which is a completely different matter to the one we're discussing. I'd never rely on verbal interaction alone if I have the girl in my presence.


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It raises attraction but not sexual tension... You just put her on her toes so it increases her interest, doesn't necessarily make her want to fuck you.. Wit without kino will not get you laid, but on the other hand, kino without wit will..

There are guys that are not witty or intelligent, that bang more women than the most witty guy you know...

Witty banter is never ending, there is an higher approach to all of this and that is to be above it, if you want to play into a womens little games, you go ahead... I'll be having sex in the nearest nook while your telling jokes.
Can you elaborate as to how "it raises attraction, but not sexual tension"? A lot of PUAs bandy this about, but there's never any coherent explanation as to how humour does one, but not the other.

I agree with you on the kino, but that's a whole other conversation as this conversation, to my understanding, is strictly concerning verbal interaction (e.g. texting, sexting, online chat, etc.).

Witty banter can be never-ending, and this is where you would certainly kino, again, assuming you're face-to-face with the girl which is a completely different matter to the one we're discussing. I'd never rely on verbal interaction alone if I have the girl in my presence.
Humor is used to defuse awkward moments(tension)

I'm sure you are attracted to the funny guy who always has a ton of jokes, however, im sure you don't want to sleep with the guy. Attraction doesn't have a gender..

Attraction and sexual tension are not the same thing at all, and a basic definition could define that. Now, attraction can be shifted into sexual tension when things like kino are involved, meaning the attraction didn't have to be there in the first place. Women sleep with men they aren't attracted to all the time.. I was talking to this shallow model at a fashion show on Saturday and she was telling me about her boyfriend, her exact words, " I don't like him, im no even attracted to him, he's just good in bed"

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This was actually really interesting to read, but I think Luigi made a really valuable point. To each "her" own. Some girls might actually respond more to this witty banter., like you said this would most probably attract those of younger age or naivety/immaturity. So to speak as Luigi said this was a verbal communication only and not one within person, therefore the sarcasm or witty aspect of it can be lost behind the words. I believe that was a possible problem. She could have read it as defensive or me just trying to "burn her hoop."

With that said, I think fuze you brought out a really good point, that this will inevitably just lead to more back and forth banter like what I was experiencing, and therefore diminishing attraction and comfort. Especially if it becomes negative like my personal experience.

As for the female who I was texting. She is very proud and attractive and knows it. On more than one occasion (last semester) she would tell me about a guy hitting on her and how he failed.

So I do believe like Luigi was saying depending on who you are speaking with this might work. But I think fuze, you are right with saying your method, by maintaining the frame, is almost a better % in any circumstance. With that said I really believe that when you see something not working "less is more" just say you are busy and must chat later.

Any thoughts?

P.S Your now Luigi, and your whole mission is to save the princess, and still come out on top of Mario. Best of luck

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It raises attraction but not sexual tension... You just put her on her toes so it increases her interest, doesn't necessarily make her want to fuck you.. Wit without kino will not get you laid, but on the other hand, kino without wit will..

There are guys that are not witty or intelligent, that bang more women than the most witty guy you know...

Witty banter is never ending, there is an higher approach to all of this and that is to be above it, if you want to play into a womens little games, you go ahead... I'll be having sex in the nearest nook while your telling jokes.
Can you elaborate as to how "it raises attraction, but not sexual tension"? A lot of PUAs bandy this about, but there's never any coherent explanation as to how humour does one, but not the other.

I agree with you on the kino, but that's a whole other conversation as this conversation, to my understanding, is strictly concerning verbal interaction (e.g. texting, sexting, online chat, etc.).

Witty banter can be never-ending, and this is where you would certainly kino, again, assuming you're face-to-face with the girl which is a completely different matter to the one we're discussing. I'd never rely on verbal interaction alone if I have the girl in my presence.
Humor is used to defuse awkward moments(tension)

I'm sure you are attracted to the funny guy who always has a ton of jokes, however, im sure you don't want to sleep with the guy. Attraction doesn't have a gender..

Attraction and sexual tension are not the same thing at all, and a basic definition could define that. Now, attraction can be shifted into sexual tension when things like kino are involved, meaning the attraction didn't have to be there in the first place. Women sleep with men they aren't attracted to all the time.. I was talking to this shallow model at a fashion show on Saturday and she was telling me about her boyfriend, her exact words, " I don't like him, im no even attracted to him, he's just good in bed"
A witty retort doesn't always mean you're engaging in a form of humor. I know you're speaking from a purely PUA pov as that's what some of the books, including 60yearsofchallenge states, but from a psychological point of view this notion is overly simplistic and lacking.

On a side note, humour is a rapport-building tool, it's also commonly used in psychotherapy by clients as a method of safeguarding against exposing their vulnerabilities.


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