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PostPosted: Mon Dec 19, 2011 2:13 am 
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Once again, I have always given myself a lot of excuses not writing a field report. Most of time when I try to write something about my game, I always stop in the half-way and tell myself not bothering doing it because no one will read my post. Anyway, this is my negative thinking. I'd better stop dwelling on it........

Here is a little profile of myself. My name is Ronny, a guy who is early 30 without any great success with girls I like. I spent last 10 years in education to make myself a prefect maths geek. A geek who is socially retarded doesn't know how to flirt with girls. A geek who hasn't got a proper lecturing job works in all part-time annoying teaching. A geek who has a very shit inner game struggles to cheer himself up everyday. I know it is sad and this is the reason why I want to transform myself to be a new me. A new me who can do better in his game and happier.

I am not aiming too high at the moment. All I want is to sleep with around 30 9-10 HB before I am married. Is it a childish dream? No, I don't think so because I want to get back what I missed for the last decade. I missed out a lot! Now this is the time I have to get myself back.

Is it true I have never had any intimacy with girls? Of course not, I did but all happened by chance. My score is not high and so far are only 6 girls (3 mingers and 3 7HB ). I did scare off a substantial amount of girls by making a lot of ridiculous mistakes......

Sorry guys I think I should stop here because I need to get enough sleep for the teaching job tomorrow. Yeah I am being lame again. Typical me..... Will write more for next couple days.


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PostPosted: Mon Dec 19, 2011 2:17 am 
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I don't really like my name "MPUA Forum Enthusiast". I am still a bloody AFC. Can someone tell how I change it?


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It has been a month before I wrote another post. I don't like procrastinating work but I have been so blogged down my recent work. My recent operation which I did on 20th of last december completely ruined my hoilday spirit and I got no chance but stayed in angony for two weeks til I am now back to my game.

I summerised the results of my game from December 2011 and now. No Luck! as simple as that.

Problems
  • Not learning enough. I dont think I have learnt enough techiques before I go to sarge. I know things is all about practice but I don't see myself have enough backup plans or materials to talk to girls. I am still reading the following books and threads. Stealth Method, Gunwitch method and Slywalker thread.
  • Head going blank when I talk to girls. I always have this problem. For some stupid reason, my head always clusters of emptiness or meaningless ideas when I approach girls. if I want to initiate a conversation, I always cannot remmeber dame things I have learnt but going back my orginial mode- a boring git .
  • Staring too much I have just realised I like staring at HBs in a very creepy way. Ha! it doesn't mean I am a weirdo. It is just the way not appropiate and and not letting go.
  • How to make a proper converstation[\b] I am still struggling in it.

  • Kino too much[\b] I still don't know the best kino which girls won't see you being too handsy.

  • Too desperate and horny[\b] No one likes being judged as a "horn" dog which get you nowhere to have a girl. There are couples incidents telling me that I am being too desperate and horny. I will list them out for the next few threads


Possible Changes

  • Not learning enough. To resovle this problem and save me from falling in agony of weltschmerz when I am not getting a girl. I think I will try to digest one or two ideas from each book. Then try them out when I go to feilds.

    Head going blank when I talk to girls. I think I need a cheat sheet which has all my game plans. I will not make myself as a social robot but at least have some ideas to talk.

    Staring too much. This is totally nonsense not talk to a hot babe by keeping staring at them. It is just too creepy. Stick with 3-sec rule. If I like the girl, go talk to them or leave them alone. No points raping them by my innocent eyes. :wink:

    How to make and hold on converstation No solution for it yet. Now I don't want to use canned materials or chatting up lines. I use cooky funny only limited to tease what she does and say (this is suggested by Slywalker). Moreover, from now on, I will not ask the following thow loser questions:

    Where are you from? In my motherland - england, I reckon people don't like you ask them where they are from, except they are english or from proper englsih speaking countries, like canada and the like.

    What do you do? Fucking shite question, I am going back this question most of the time.

    Try to ask more opinion questions and let her talk. Don't ask any questions you don't know the answer. It happens to me quite a few times which I ruined my bloody chances with HBs. For examples, one time I asked a question about rock musics to a HB, she answered me but I didn't have a clue of those bands she mentioned. Messed up! the conversation dead in an eerily quiet way. Felt like a big blow in my stomach. Bad!!!

    Kino too much[\b] Still no solution yet. I don't want to come across a handsy motherfucker but at the same time, I want to esclate to kino... Any suggest will help

    Too desperate and horny[\b] No more rushing asking out after getting girls' numbers . First building up a rapport again through an email, a text or a call before finally meeting her.


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PostPosted: Wed Jan 11, 2012 1:27 pm 
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One more reminder

Smile and no more mannerism I will have a metal note of this. Will smile more but not too much when I intiate a conversation with a HB. Plus, no more weird facial expression.

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 11, 2012 9:16 pm 
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I don't really like my name "MPUA Forum Enthusiast". I am still a bloody AFC. Can someone tell how I change it?
Your either a PUA or a AFC, there is no mid ground as far as I'm concerned. You need to commit or your inner game is going to be fucked.
The sooner you start to see yourself as a pickup artist the better.
If your having real problems, take one aspect of your game and just practice it. Just practice opening if you have problems getting into conversations, even if the conversation dies it doesn't matter, just get good at starting a conversation. After opening becomes easy, work on your mid game....you get the idea.
Good luck


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PostPosted: Mon Jan 16, 2012 10:39 pm 
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Thank you for your advice.


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I am lying around on my couch and I don't have any good news to report. sigh.....


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PostPosted: Fri Jan 20, 2012 3:41 am 
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Not learning enough. To resovle this problem and save me from falling in agony of weltschmerz when I am not getting a girl. I think I will try to digest one or two ideas from each book. Then try them out when I go to feilds.
Your formula is probably incorrect.

"Not scoring ≠ Not knowing enough". I'm guessing that a good number of members in this forum probably haven't read one book from cover to cover in all of 2011. But if you're a fan of reading, it's probably a better idea to digest once concept well and follow through with it instead of picking ideas here and there.
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Head going blank when I talk to girls. I think I need a cheat sheet which has all my game plans. I will not make myself as a social robot but at least have some ideas to talk.
Start off with a basic flowchart of how things should go. Give us an idea of typical PU situations and I'm sure members will offer some ideas for a basic flowchart. Then, find your easier 'way in'. If you learn better by understanding concepts first, go that route. If you learn better by memorizing first, try that out first. I suppose it's the difference between teaching a kid multiplications by making him memorize the table vs. showing him groups of numbers/objects. There are clearly identifiable steps you'll want to take but the way to identify and group those steps will depend on the way you tend to organize your thoughts.
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Staring too much. This is totally nonsense not talk to a hot babe by keeping staring at them. It is just too creepy. Stick with 3-sec rule. If I like the girl, go talk to them or leave them alone. No points raping them by my innocent eyes. :wink:
This problem is related to your 'head going blank' issue. If you felt comfortable with how your interaction will evolve, you wouldn't sit there staring all day; you'd engage.

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How to make and hold on converstation No solution for it yet. Now I don't want to use canned materials or chatting up lines. I use cooky funny only limited to tease what she does and say (this is suggested by Slywalker). Moreover, from now on, I will not ask the following thow loser questions:
Work backwards. Why are you conversing with this girl in the first place? What do you want to accomplish? How can you get there? What are the steps you need to take? This should bring you right back to 'developing a better flowchart'.
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Try to ask more opinion questions and let her talk
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Good idea but allowing the girl to blabber away often does nothing for you. She'll talk her ears off about her hairstyle, gay boyfriend, favorite perfume. . . Much better idea to set your agenda and let it roll.
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Kino too much[\b] Still no solution yet. I don't want to come across a handsy motherfucker but at the same time, I want to esclate to kino... Any suggest will help


Being a handsy motherfucker is the goal.

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Too desperate and horny[\b] No more rushing asking out after getting girls' numbers . First building up a rapport again through an email, a text or a call before finally meeting her.


We'll tackle this when we get there. . . ^this is really a non issue.


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Hey Kasabi, I have never thought someone like you with a big name in this forum would answer my post. First thank you very much for you reply. I appreciate it. I am still contemplating what have you suggested. Will get back to you soon. :D


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Time: last night
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Mistake 1 I could not remember the girl who I flirted with a couple weeks ago and I didn't get lucky with. I went up to her starting giving her a compliment of her hair. From there I wanted to initiate a conversation. After a few seconds, I recognized her face. I found myself very mortified when I used the same trick to flirt with her twice. I brushed her off by saying some shit.

Mistake 2 I promised myself to use an opinion opener to converse girls, but ending up the following two uninteresting, boring openers:

1.) I like your hair and then ask her where she got her cut
2.) what does she do in London.

Mistake 3 No smile and no confidence. I didn't notice I didn't smile and not much confidence to show when I talked to girls. My brouncer friends pointed them out when they saw me sarging girls.


Possible changes

Still thinking because I have repeated my same mistakes again.


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May be I reckon having a bad inner game doesn't help me to sarge. Damn right, I feel nostalgic all the time.


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Mistake 1 I could not remember the girl who I flirted with a couple weeks ago and I didn't get lucky with. I went up to her starting giving her a compliment of her hair. From there I wanted to initiate a conversation. After a few seconds, I recognized her face. I found myself very mortified when I used the same trick to flirt with her twice. I brushed her off by saying some shit.


The wannabe natural guys on this forum will tell you to do whatever the hell you want to do to 'open' but as a general rule, do not compliment/chat about hair. This is a female-female topic matter. This is what they talk about with their gay friends.

Read this:

bolognese-opener-vt58443.html

The next time you go out, don't actually chat with girls. Just sit down somewhere and practice ^this exercise by just writing down some ideas. If you see 20 girls, it shouldn't be too difficult to come up with at lest 20 opener ideas. With some girls, you might go blank. With other girls, you might come up with 5. Just sit there and write things down for a bit.

For your routine, read this:

what-is-the-best-way-to-ask-for-her-pho ... highlight=

To accomplish ^this, you're going to have to know a few things about your area. You should have a few cafe's, bars, clubs, museums, parks, restaurants in mind. You mentioned that you know bouncers. . . all of this can work in your favor. You should also keep in mind a few places in the World where you've traveled. If the weather in London is dreary, it's simple to go, "Well, I'd rather be in ______." Even if you haven't actually traveled much, it's easy to mention some holiday hot spot and go from there.

In regards to smiling:

You're not a clown, you're a man. You smile when there is something to smile about. You keep a straight face when there is nothing in particular to smile about. You look surprised when you are surprised. Simply put, you don't worry about your physical gestures. The correct gesture (one that is in tune with your environment and your emotions) will naturally project at the correct moment. Focus on connecting with the person in front of you.
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Still thinking because I have repeated my same mistakes again.
You're thinking too much during your interactions with others because you don't yet have a habit for this. You don't yet have a habit for this because you haven't practiced/actually interacted with others enough. In order to get there, you'll have to THINK A LOT MORE about all of this prior to actually engaging with others. "Thinking" about a math exam during the exam won't help you at all if you haven't studied for it. If you have studied well, it's not really 'thinking' through the exam but just executing what you already know. This is the goal.

Practice the 'openers' exercise. Arm yourself with plenty of topics and ideas to 'lower risk' as much as possible and raise 'excitement for future meetings' as much as possible.


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Words cannot express my gratitude to you for your help and advice. Once again, thank you very much. You are the genius, ain't you. will follow your advice to work my game out.


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Venue: British museum, university cafe, gym and a club
Time: from 2 p.m. to 11:30 p.m.
Results: two number closed and a possible cafe date tomorrow


Before the mission
I woke up this morning around 10. I didn't feel good about myself. I knew it was stress about things happened in my life. I told myself to put up with it when I was talking a bath. It wasn't a good remedy for me. However, in a short run, it could work, at least today. I came out of my bathroom, put all my research work aside, revised back some kasabi's suggestions and slywalker's thread and then I hit the road.

Mission 1 - british museum
Not a right decision on this. Too many tourists. I couldn't hear any girls' chats because the cafe was located centre in the museum. It was a wide open area. I didn't stay there long. After ten minutes, I moved to a university cafe.

Mission 2- a university cafe
One thing goes for me is my look. I look far too young than my age. Every time when I go to buy booze in supermarkets, I always got asked for an ID. I don't give a shit to this. I always takes it as a compliment. For this reason, It helps me a lot when I hang around in a campus area because people just see me as one of them- a fresher and don't hold guard against me because my age.

My mission this time in the uni cafe was being a listener and an observer. I went in and tried to find a good spot that a lot of girls hang around. Unfortunately, I couldn’t find a right place to stay because it was too packed. I ended up sitting opposite a HB8 who was doing her work on her own. I pretended reading my book but indeed I was observing her to see of I could come up some good openers or smth I can elaborate a proper conversation. I saw her reading some books related English phonetic and linguistic and typing her ibook. These were lines coming out from my head.

1.) Hey, are studying linguistic? It must be very hard?
2.) Are you studying or playing around your ibook? Say it with a big smile

Learning outcome
Didn’t pick a right spot. I should have sat next to a group of girls and tried to listen what they loved to chat about.

Mission 3-yoga class
I have been in yoga class for more than a year. I didn’t talk to anyone in the class today.

Learning outcome
I think I will do a bit reaserch on the internet about yoga and places doing yoga in London. This can be a good chat up lines to talk to the girls in the yoga class.

Mission 4 – a club

The dutch -- A 7.5 girl. She was a very quiet girl, I got a number close but not so sure she was interested in me.

the spanish -- HB9, IT WAS MY BODDLY MISTAKE AGAIN

the french -- HB8.5. I built up the rapport, got a number close and I might see her tomorrow for a coffee.

Sorry guys, it was two in the morning. I have to go to bed to get myself ready for the possible coffee date, plus my research work. I will write out all the details of Mission 4 soon, especially the way I talked and how I implemented the ideas of Kasabi's and Slywalker's suggestions on their threads.


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Hey RonnyC,

Good progress so far on the number closes. I'll be following your journal to see how you're doing. I'm probably a few years older than you are, but we're the same in that we both look quite young. I'm back in uni now part time and still look like a "twenty-something", so I hear you when you say that for the most part you fit right in. Anyways, good luck man, I'll be keeping an eye on this one.


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