Hi
tonight i was on the bus and there were all these crazy people on the bus. There was this smelly homeless guy that kept talking to himself, this guy that was singing really loud (seemed mentally unstable), all sorts of people.
There was also this hot girl. The bus was packed, no seats except next to this girl.
so I sat next to her and after like 2 minutes of being there, I asked "do you ride this bus often?" she ignores me, pretending she didnt hear me. I asked again, ignored again. the third time, she says "no" and goes back to playing with her iphone, indicating that she has no interest in talking to me. Now i can understand why a woman would do that, its to protect herself from all these crazy people (i think this is called the bitch shield)
so someone got off and a seat opened up, and i grabbed it (to show her that i have no interest in you either, bitch, look i am going to this other seat far away from you)
then this old guy got on, and the hot girl got up and offered him her seat. then the seat next to me opened up and the hot girl came and sat next to me.
then I said "this bus is so entertaining, i have never been so entertained" she pretended to be playing with her phone again.
then i said "do you have AT&T?" she says "no". I say "MetroPCS?" "no" "then what do you have?" "sprint"
then i waited a few minutes and said "is that tattoo on your arm a real one?" she says "yes" I said "what is it supposed to be?" she says "I dont know"
by this time it was clear to me that she had no interest so I just became real quiet and stopped saying anything. then after a few minutes, she said "it smells so bad here" and I said "yeah"
that was the end of it. then i got off a few minutes later.

I am wondering how you would have handled such a situation? when she shows no interest. did i come off creepy or desperate?

Well first off neg her, she clearly is being rude and call her out on her shit, a AFC wouldn't and you are and dont take offense to this, but you are a AFC you let her treat you like shit. If she wanted to she could have kissed you and made you her sex slave.
Here are some lines, they are in no order, except that of which I think of them:

"Are you always this rude?"

"So you got fired from work because you got caught sleeping with someone didnt you"

"I had a pretty shit day as well, but it must've of been peanuts compared to yours, you seem fucking off"

"Ever wondered why some woman are just so bitchy, I mean what does it take to just tell em to fuck off and get a fucking decent personality" (This one just shows you don't give a shit and are boss)

"I was curious, are you always like this? I was just trying to complement your hair, but now that I think about it, looks fake..."

Point is you can say 1million things to her, just have fun. She will want to have fun with you, but come one bro your talking about her phone. What type of shit is that, do you really enjoy talking about your cell phone to people? I mean if so lets do this next 30 mins in a chat all we discuss is why AT&T and T-Mobile should or shouldn't have merged?

Point is have fun with girls and make light conversation that is flirtatious, shows you're sexual demon, funny, and charming. You want to get your dick wet not discuss her bus route.

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raphael is living in a dream world.

When u ride the bus, u worry about getting off the bus uncut, unshot, or unpick pocketed. U dont tell strange women on a bus "are you always this rude"

First consider the surroundings.

Number 2, women on the bus are probably going to and fro work, and dont want to be bothered, they would bark at their own mother let alone a strange guy. She reads the news papers and watched the news too, its not safe for her to be talking to some guy on the bus, what if he decides to come back tommorow? what if he decides to show up every day, especially since she was nice?

U know think a little.

It has nothing to do with you being an afc, it has to do with there is a time and a place for everything.

Of course she's rude, she been riding the bus.

I agree. Some places are not ideal for pickup. The shield exists for a reason, and chances are you aren't going to break it on a bus full of strange people.

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I have gotten a girl # on a bus (and train -subway) in the city. Need I say more for protection. If you are light-hearted, have fun, and are charming, then yea it will work. Maybe I am living a fantasy but that sure as hell beats this shity place we call reality.

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-Raphael

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Just like other PUA anecdotes, there are exceptions to every rule, and im sure people do hook up on the bus.

But your calling this guy an AFC because a woman was a bitch on the bus to him.

My bad I meant to say you are a AFC if as in like you can't let it get to you, my bad OP. But yea those are AFC tendencies.

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-Raphael

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No I just explained to you that it had nothing to do with an AFC. A real playa knows women and knows their needs. They need to feel safe on the bus.

Go back and study and lll quiz u again sometime in the near future.

ok man, just switch up some perspectives from here and put yourself in her shoes, ok first lets consider a girls ''bitch shield'' why does this go up, well, it happens because girls have been put in situations in the past where they recieved unwanted attention and this is how they learned to deal with it, needy guys hitting on them for example, any time they are in a position where they know needy guys have hit on them before, they tend to be really receptive to it at first, but the more it happens, the more they get bored of it and eventually it irritates them, or if he isn't needy, he is just plain ugly

now lets look at some ways to handle a bitch sheild

first lets consider the concept of rapport, rapport is speaking, you can either seek to have her speak with you by asking questions, this requests an investment from her end, for a person to invest in something, they have to find that investment valuable, so with that in mind one of the ways to increase the chances of getting investment, is... bring more value to the table, now with that in mind another stragety is, lower the the value of the person you are trying to get investment from, all people have egos and are on one level or another insecure, when you challenge a persons ego, they tend to become more insecure and want to protect their ego, depending once again on perception there are two common reactions, approval seeking, and confrontation, you are looking for approval seeking, some girls respond well to negs, others respond poorly, but dominante a person enough and they either resent you and don't want to be around you, or they want your approval, either way instead of trying to seek rapport with a person who sees no value in investing in you, it is more productive to either just assume rapport and start building it, or to break rapport (do things seemingly counter productive to building a conversation)

now, there is a tendancy girls will notice either conciously or sub-consiously for needy guys who are desperate to have no confidence and to seek approval from the girl, ultimately it leads to boring ass interview conversations that go no where, the guy is nice, but she knows he is too pussy to state intent or escalate to anything, and as we all know most girls don't like pussies, they call them ''nice guys'' and blow them off and friend zone them for being catatonic and non sexual, they are boring to talk to and be around

with that in mind you can now see how ''do you ride this bus often?''(seeking rapport) can come off as needy, and when she ignores you, you further solidify in her mind that you are one of those guys, by ignoring her iod, and continuing to throw interest at her by seeking rapport, you need to learn to calibrate, and read the situation, if a girl is showing you dis-interest, show disinterest back

here are some examples of ways to start a conversation that do not begin with seeking rapport

wow, this bus is so packed *nudge her* look at that guy he is just singing his ass off, that is so weird (assume rapport)

wow, this bus smells bad, I hope that isn't you, you look really clean and cute and all that, but it smells really bad in here (breaking rapport)

doesn't have to be special, and it doesn't guarentee success, but you will see better results getting conversations started with girls when you bring value first, before you request investment, starting new threads, cutting old ones that are boring, and making statements instead of asking questions to begin with, can help kick things off

it is sort of like you are a homeless guy trying to get some money from her when you walk up seeking rapport, she can smell your hidden agenda from a mile away, it is better to just bring some value so it is worth it for her to talk to you, or just don't hide your agenda, personaly instead of working on building value, I like just not hiding the agenda, but I could see how that could make a bus ride semi-shitty, after she rejects you, you could still have a convo with her, but it might make things a little tense, but remember it is better to be the busker that plays the guitar and signs songs, to get the coin, then it is to be the homeless guy asking, HEY YOU GOT A DOLLAR?

GOOD LUCK IN THE FUTURE

She owes him nothing. If she wants to mind her own business, it's her choice. No need to insult her and it's not going to get you anywhere.
This one shows that many women have ignored you in the past.

Furthermore, Pumpington says it all.

So you asked a boring question three times. Even while the girl is giving clear signs of total and utter disinterest. Bad.
Then ýou move. Why the fuck would you need to move?
She comes back and once again you start spamming the girl with boring questions.
She's given you one shot with her 'it smells bad here' statement and all you do with it is absolutely nothing. (notice the difference between her and you? You are needy and interviewing, she's using a random statement. Point: she's got far better social skills than you.)


You've done well by opening a cute girl but you've failed immediatly by asking the most boring question there is. Unless she's totally got if for you her response will be very short. Next time you start a conversation think about something out of the box. Say things regular guys would not say.

How do you win someone over?

Make yourself interesting - offer her intrigue, mystery, a sense of ADVENTURE! We're all bored of the mundacity of life, we all want to be swept away by something new and unique, offer this to her and she's yours.

hi guys
I have read all the replies and I really appreciate you taking the time to respond.
I am seriously tired of making mistakes. The thing is, I have heard 100 times that girl hate interview questions. yet, every time i see a hot girl, I forget all the things I have learned here and go to interview mode.
I am tired of myself. maybe i should start practicing on girls that i am not attracted to?

update: Also, I am not a quick thinker. I did think about that "it smells so bad here, is that you?" statement...but 15 minutes after getting off the bus.

hey man, if you hate that, start with an soi, it is easy as fuck, and you can start ''trying to interview her'' if you want after, that is fine, just start with, HEY YOU'RE REALLY HOT, I MUST FIND OUT WHAT IS BEHIND THIS INTERESTING HOTTIE, (then begin the interview) that is the only thing you have to remember, tell her what you think of her physical appearance, tell her want to get to know her, and start interviewing, if she won't let you interview her, or she trys to get away, she is not interested, it is as simple as that, she won't talk to you past soi, she is not interested, you can continue to hit on her past soi, but it is not necessary, you can tease her, but once again not necessary, it is good to just find out if she likes what you like and if you have shit in common, then tell her you want her number, and follow up on it if you get it, soon as possible so it doesn't seem weird and it is like a continuation of the conversation, on the phone lead into a date, try to get a meet asap, goal of the meet is to get her to your house, once you are at your house, goal is to make out with her

you don't have to do anything super special, just play enough numbers until you find a girl that finds you physically attractive and is single,

it is also more useful to open girls that give you approach invites instead of just girls that you think are hot, it is good to get practice, on every girl that you get the chance to practice on, just cause you talk to someone does not mean you want to/have to sleep with them (girl logic, I know crazy right)

GOOD LUCK

Yeah the interview style dates do get boring. I remember doing just that many times, and feeling like "Jesus somebody shoot me right now" I was bored asking so u can imagine how bored they were.

I dont do interviews anymore, not any PUA rules, I just found them to be useless. I think they use to work back in like the 50's, when all a girl cared about was if u had a job.

Now u have to be interesting, find out what makes u interesting and work on that