When I approach a random girl in a club I find that the girl is already attracted to me and I can start making out with her whenever I want, bring her home etc. or she's not attracted to me and there's nothing I can do about it.

When the girls don't seem attracted I don't seem to get any real IOI's off them. They still hang around a talk for a few minutes it's just I don't feel like I'm able to kiss them as there not really vibing back.

So basically it feels like a girl has already decided if she likes me or not before I go up talking to her, and if she doesn't like me I don't know how to turn it around and make her like me.

This happens more often with 8's and 9's and I'm not sure is it just that hotter girls give off less IOI's because the girls still hang around and talk or I just need to improve my game.

Also when it feels like the girls aren't really giving IOI's my confidence starts to drop and I start thinking about what I'm saying and it brakes my whole flow. Its all a big downward spiral!

I'm just wondering if anyone else ever come across this and if ye have any advice on overcoming it?

First off hotter girls do give off IOI just not ones you and I might notice right away for the simple fact they have been pampered by AFC's everywhere. They are used to the bs you are fucking sexy... but if they are interested in you they will show it differently, look at pupils dilation, if she does any basic human instinct, even if it is minimal, that are related to IOI then that is an IOI, if she touches her face IOD, if she crosses her legs IOD but if she does the opposite, just move slightly angled towards you than IOI.

You might not actually be doing any game, saying anything, so far I am imagining this, you are a good looking guy, girls see that, they want to fuck you. So you never, like a hb10, had practice on your personality. Why dont you work on just chatting them up, if you see a girl is completely into you, start talking hold it off test your limits, then practice what you learnt with a girl not so into you.

Stop caring if they give IOI, they might be and you don't realize it, woman are more perceptive to it, just human nature, when a baby cries it means 5 different things to a woman or more, when a baby cries it means 1 thing to us males, there is something wrong shut it up. If she is replying to you and talking to you then you have an IOI, trust me if she doesnt she will let you know.

So all in all, stop being a pussy, get a personality, and talk and learn your boundaries, get out there. You can't blame anyone but yourself.

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I don't think I'm as good looking as you think, maybe a 6-6.5/10. And I think I do have some bit of a personality. I guess its when i go up to a girl and get an initial positive reaction it kinda builds up my confidence so the conversations gets better so more positive reactions, like a rolling snowball getting bigger and bigger.

I guess its just when I go up to a girl and say if I'm just getting neutral reactions, my confidence and enthusiasm goes down because I feel the conversation is stagnant and I'm not sure how to get out of it. I guess I just need to improve my game.

Thanks for the feedback Raphael.Rapoport

Pleasure to help but let me point out your first and major flaw... Confidence!

You said at most you are a 6.5 WDF bs says who. Just that shows your not even a 3 seriously, do you think bradd pitt became who he is by thinking I'm only a 6/10 nothing great just average. Not at all, he got his shit together and said I am a 10/10 and on a bad day a 9.5 is it true, maybe, but most probably not. You need to believe you are the prize the 10/10, the perfect guy and so will girls.

Come on bro, you know that bullshit about be alpha. All it means is be confident, alpha guys dont think twice about their number, they are confident as fuck they are a 10/10 when trying to get girls. Sure at home they will be like I look like shit, I suck dick, blah blah blah, but they dont let that shit show ever. You have to become "alpha" what ever that means right? Wrong, it just means confident, be comfortable with yourself and your body, your first post came off more confident, you were sure you get girls right away or dont, but there was the sense of confidence in that. Believe you are the best and you will act like that.

Dont become a narcissist but become self-aware and work on yourself and flaws if needed. Work on inner game and you did 90% of the battle.

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there are complete branches of science based on what u said here.

there are scientists who believe women decide if they want you before u even approach, body language, looks, height, whatever, but some believe before u say a word she knows if shes gonna get with u.

"u had me at hello"...true line

But not all scientist are right, things change, but I tend to agree, theres not much u can to make her attracted to you, but u can enhance whatever attraction she has

man that's some good advice there but i feel exactly like Travelmate about 80% of the time. most of the time im under the belief that im a 3 or a 4 but when i go out, i picture this homeless guy and some people;e who i thought to be genuinely bad looking and i tell my self that they have it worse than me. this temporarily boosts my confidence but it goes down hill from there. i wish there was a guide to work on inner game from scratch. i need some powerful therapy to get me through.. because of the way i think my lifes gone downhill and i have been on a dry spell for a goo 11 months!

Just thought I would mention this.

I've had it happen personally that a girl has literally hated me. No attraction whatsoever. Yet, I turned it around and ended up dating the girl for 3 months.

The trick is to realise that attraction isn't a single on or off switch. If she isn't attracted it isn't a straight-up "no", it's just not a "yes". In other words, not turning the light on doesn't fill the the room with darkness. Darkness is just what is there when the light isn't on. I hope this odd metaphor makes sense to you somehow?

If you feel that your sets are either "happening" or "not happening" then you are probably relying on your looks or sticking to the same routines with every set. Try mixing it up. If something isn't working, try something else.

Hope this helps you?

Just thought I would mention this.

I've had it happen personally that a girl has literally hated me. No attraction whatsoever. Yet, I turned it around and ended up dating the girl for 3 months.

The trick is to realise that attraction isn't a single on or off switch. If she isn't attracted it isn't a straight-up "no", it's just not a "yes". In other words, not turning the light on doesn't fill the the room with darkness. Darkness is just what is there when the light isn't on. I hope this odd metaphor makes sense to you somehow?

If you feel that your sets are either "happening" or "not happening" then you are probably relying on your looks or sticking to the same routines with every set. Try mixing it up. If something isn't working, try something else.

Hope this helps you?