I'm learning heaps here, keep it coming!

Suppose I do get a good convo going, how many messages in should I end it? I don't want to seem like I've haven't got anything better to do, or I'm needy

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False time constraint, leave the convo at a high note, let her remember the greater part of it. Then you can message her later and do the same then ask her out.

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Yap... agree! Its not like there is a right amount of messages. You have to calibrate and be able to see when you should hit or quit. I usually keep this in mind: "leave before she does" AND "quit while you are ahead" AND "leave her wanting more"
You know what... im gonna post a number close i made a while back where it shows my "quit while youre ahead" and "leave her wanting more"

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So, i met this girl once in the summer of last year. At the time my "game" was NOT EVEN CLOSE to what it became. I was introduced to her, talked for less then 5 minutes. Added her on fb and didnt talk with her for over 6 months. As my game became better and my confidence grew, i decided to go for it with her. I followed my "plan" which i have explained before. Commented on some status, some pics, used sarcasm, be funny, she started replying back along with my sarcasm... and like one week after, i comment on one of her status and she hits me up on the chat:

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Well i tried the '' Green or Blue?" approach and I dont think it went bad, but not too well. I kee trying it on girls I just mess around with annd it seems to get attention, I actually hooked a date with one But could someone advice me on how I should have reacted in this situation ?

Me: Blue or green ?
She logs off. Next morning
She: Sorry, hope you got it sorted out by yourself ! Didnt even see your message.
Me: This is pretty bad, green or blue, quickly !
She: Hard to say. Clothes ? Whats the context ? Cant you mix colors ?
Me: Just chose for the love of god !
She: Blue ! How did I do ?
Me: You may not even know it, but you just saved my life.
She: Dont be so secretive, you're killing me !! Did I just chose a girl for you?
Me:Nope, you chose my dinner
She: Haha so whats it gonna be then
Me: Subway in the town.
She: And what was green ?
Me: Just a coffee in some chinese fastfood...probably pretty bad. As a matter of fact, Im quite sorry you didn't say green - the coffee would have been so bad I could sue you for making me go there
She: Wow you have some issues - if you want to sue people for money, why dont you sue the person who designed those terrible roads at *random street*
Me: I could do that, but messing around with you is more fun
She: Haha

At this points I felt it went cold and I couldnt be bothered to continue

Any feedback ?

You should too much interest in the end, also the game I believe is longer than that, after that you ask maybe. Hot or Cold then dont say anything until she replies. She'll say one, then pick a number 1-20 but not 16, and then she will, and you say thanks for picking my order, but it better be good, or I do think we might have an issue

Smileys are always good to have!

Then you eject

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Read the adventures I take as I discover my way towards becoming a mPUA or a dPUA (decent PUA) including completing the StyleChallenge ---> raphaels-journel-vt119594.html

This happened today. The brief conservation couldn't of gone better.

Me: Hey sexy, you also bored

Her: hey come out tomorrow

Me: Ermmm, okay, wait, what's the weather going to be like. Me and rain don't get on very well

Her: cloudy no rain

Me: Clouds are kinky. You've got a phone number I can ring? Phone sex and prank calls all night long

Her: (She gives phone number here) you see i was going to say no but then you mentioned phone sex and prank calls all night long and i just had a massive orggy and threw my number at you lmao

Me: Hehe, yeah that usually happens. I'll be off now. Speak to you in a bit xx
Her: kaaay xx

If everything goes right then It's going to be a very Happy New Year.

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Hey man thanks BIG time for sharing this with us. I've also tried to end convo ( not like the way u're doing it ) before and i agree it works like a charm. I also thing that the deleting messages thingy has lots of success cause if u're deleting them it means that you care

I have different ways of coping with things like" i thin i don't understand bla bla " shit. I just tell them " Well i though i was being cute and understandable. But i guess i'm just cute"

you're way is way funnier tho and i'll defo try and understand more what's happening in your mind instead of just copying your material haha

This is some good shit. My hat is off to you gentlemen.

I tried the Pick a number opener, Here's our convo

Me: Hey! Hey!
HB:
Me: Pick a number between 16-24, don't think! just pick and don't choose 14
HB: LOL! There's no 14 in the choices anyway, 23
Me: Haha! Thanks you just saved my life!
HB: Hahaha Okay!
Me: You know, I've been staring this chinese food menu and I can't think of any, I'm hungry, I hope 24's good.
HB: HAHAHAHA! but i picked 23 @@
Me: Is Sizzling tofu tasty? because that's 23
HB: Uhhh! I don't like tofu
Me: If this doesn't taste great, I'm gonna be mad at you
HB: No! Don't choose it, just go for 24
Haha
Me: Nope, you already chose 23 If this doesn't taste good I'm gonna sue you and I'm gonna make you pay for my lunch.
HB: I think I got into trouble, Okay I'm gonna log out hahahah enjoy your lunch!
Me: Have you seen a chinese food menu, how did they came up with names like this and the bad part is there's no picture.
HB: I don't know chinese.
Me: I hope the one that you chose is delicious, I'm gonna order now.
HB:
Me: Hehe! There, They said that I have to wait in 15 mins.
HB:
Me: Okay while waiting I have a game for you. Are you ready?
HB: Lol! Okay,
Me: Red or Black?
HB: Black
Me: Hot or Cold?
HB: Cold
Me: Odd or Even?

Then mins later no replies yet!

What did I do wrong? anyone?
Should I reinitiate our convo and tell her the taste of the food she ordered for me?

Ok guys, I have some more insights on the facebook approach, but before I start, I want to make some things clear.

Those openers that I have shared, they are just openers! It just to start a convo in a different way! I cant stress more the fact that some work has to be done before going into the chat, unless you’re a pro, which I believe none of us here is! I have talked about the “pre-chatting game” but im gonna mention again: make various comments on pics, on status, WAIT FOR HER APPROVAL (meaning, if she comments back, “like” your comments, laughs, or even better, if she comments on your pics and status), and then you take it to the chat. Why is that?! Because now you have an “excuse” to talk with her besides you wanting to bang her. You are talking with her cause she commented back and you think she is funny or interesting or whatever. The mindset is NOT “ im talking with you cause I want to meet up with you”, but instead, I want to meet up with you cause im talking with you and you seem cool enough to roll with me!”. I came to realize that openers are not that important. Its not about how you open, its about how you close. Its good to have some canned openers that make things easier if you don’t know what to say, but if you had done the “pre-chatting game” correctly, you can open with anything.

Let me give an example: if you open with “whats up girl who loves jersey shore” (you can call her by anything you assume from her pics or status OR JUST SAY “sup?”) … by saying “sup”, I guarantee you that 90% of the times she will “not much, just BLA BLA BLA, what about you?”. This what about you is KEY! Idk what you guys say, but I have said something like “I was chatting with a friend from Portugal and listening to Jarle Bernholf live acoustic session on youtube. Have you seen any of his videos?” … most likely she will say no, and I proceed with “you got to check it out. He is a one man band. He plays the guitar, the base, the keyboard, does beat box, etc… ALL AT THE SAME TIME, records it by tracks with some pedals he has on the floor and plays everything at the same time while he is singing! When you have a chance, look up “Jarle bernholf – Sunday” and let me know what you think”

You can say you were listening to something or watching a movie or a documentary and say something surprising about the documentary, that you were taking a break from reading a book, WHATEVER! Develop the convo away from personal questions, from wanting to getting to know the person. Most of the times you and her will just be sharing info and you will get to know her way better than if you were doing the normal boring interview questions. Be silly! I have told girls “Im making a list of boring things to do. Wanna help me out? I already have playing chess, listening to my philosophy professor, and watching teletubbies!”.
Now, there is a reason why I can do this and why Im not afraid of just throwing myself in a 1 on 1 date with any girl.

The fact is, I know I can talk a little bit about any freaking subject. I go to a bunch of events in nyc, I watch documentaries, and I talk with A LOT of people and I listen to what every1 has to say. I learn new things, and I know I can keep some1 entertained for hours just bullshitting about a subject. Another thing is that I love to argue. I will purposely trigger arguments with girls. My facebook status are made for girls to comment, to be funny, make people laugh, etc. One of my latest status was this: “Warning: if any1 sends me another Farmville request, I promise I will start playing the freaking game, invade your village, turn the chickens into barbecue, spread the swine flue to the pigs, and turn your farm into my personal slaughterhouse!” … result: 15 likes from girls, 2 from guys, plus another 3 girls commented and a couple more people. I later opened 2 girls with the same opener saying “im having a really bad day! Would you like to send me a Farmville request so I can take revenge on you? >;)” and I developed from there. One of them was the first time we actually talked. I didn’t number close but I didn’t try it either cause I wanna build a bit more comfort although we talked for over 30 minutes with a lot of laughs.

So, in conclusion, I know how helpful a good opener can be, but opening is just the beginning. PEOPLE, escalate!!! Now that I got this out of my mind, I will later write a post on how to escalate. How to go for the close. Guys, like I said a bunch of times, I don’t usually ask or even give my number … girls will usually give me their number without me asking. Thanks cause I build comfort and interest to the point they want to chill with me, but I do escalate to the point where I know that soon she will give up her number. I will develop on that later.

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Just to prove Brain Bond's point. Don't hit some random girl with these openers, you're gonna fail. Field tested and they did reply but went havoc and I got a girl even block me on Facebook but worked when I talked to these girls I know from my school and their friends I've met. So, if ya wanna try this successfully a random girl. Be patient and give her some comments or get attention before you proceed.

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Haha, those openers look pretty good. Anyways, I also got a question: If you just add a random 10+, and she accepts you, what would be the best move to make then?
Assuming she gets a lot of boys that ask hey what's up etc.

Thanks!

You could have stopped at when see said she gotta log out. And by waiting, I've a game for you, I felt that sorta like you needed her company and got no one else to talk to. You could've said, 'My friend just forwarded this game to me, why don't you try this first?' but I wouldn't recommend it 'cause she said she gotta go.

Okay, it would have been good if you've said, 'Alright, I'll send you the bill if it taste awful like you said, see ya later.' and then open the conversation the next time. And you could've saved the game then when she wasn't busy, ya know.

Hey, don't directly reopen the conversation. Try commenting on her photos or status and if you get positive replies and likes, go for it but don't rush into it like wolf from Antarctica saw McDonald's. Play the game.

For example:

Me: HOT or COLD?
HB9: What?
Me: It's the hardest question in the world pick one!
HB9: Hot.
Me: How hot?
HB9: Very hot..
Me: Wow, you're a very hot girl.. and I'm psychic. That was a test a friend who's a psychologist send me. Most people go to him with this stuff to find out more about their personalities. There's more but you're gonna have to pay me, it's not for free.
HB9: to be continued..

Don't always play games, she's not on Facebook for games. Your goal is to close asap, maybe her number or a date.

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Hmm, I know what you mean. All the guys are hitting on her like AFCs. My ex girlfriend was very hot. She uploaded a photo on her and got more like that Scarlett Johansson's naked photo would get. You know how they try to message her, right?

like 'Hey, I think you're cute. I'm Thomas by the way.'
'Hi, How are you?', 'Hey, Whazzup?'

I just commented on few of her photos. You're gonna have to comment differently than other guys, sarcastic, cocky and funny types. My comment to her was 'Is that a hairstyle or you didn't bathe since eons'. or you could also say. 'Hey, you hairstyle rocks but use a conditioner for better results or a stylist next time' these are neg hits.

I had this author girl from a town long way and 5 years older than me. She got a lot of friend and guys comment putting 100 comments on her every status and photos, she had only like 4 photo of hers, so you can guys what the like and comments would be like, right? I commented on a few of her photos, negs and funny comments and got her attention. And message her ' One thing I like about you.. your collection of quotes.. u r nt gonna sue me if i copy sm of em in to ma profile, right? and she replied .. and I replied, 'That was the 2nd most laziest replies i even saw in my entire life'. and she went like, what was the first one.. Me: i'm lazy to type dat again and she woz like lol.. and i asked in to diz opinion opener nd diz negative positive stuff. idk what that really is but i gave it a try.. i made up a story like 'hey, you're an artist who writes abt pplz emotion, rye...? i need an opinion on smthn.. ' nd she replied.. 'okay... shoot...'

me - 'u met a guy in school.. nd u fell in luv wid hit at frst sight... suddenly he felt lyk d world to u.. rye.. can u feel dat intense feelin in uva heart..

ps - 'm nt gay... dn't think 'm in luv wid a guy.. ' ...

nd she said 'yeh... nd lol no.. '

me - 'nd den aftr a month u realised dat diz guy slept wid uva frnd... nd hw wud u feel... ?' nd blah blah blah... see what I mean...

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