ask yourself this ..

why is it so easy for people to lie in someones face ?
instead of telling the truth ?

reason .. they don't want to face their emotions .. they do not want to face the truth.. people don't always lie to you on purpose .. could be they jsut don't want to face the truth and by doing that they fuck you up as well...

don't get drawn into her reality and do not believe what ALL WOMAN SAY .. just look at the context and why they say it... if they talk about trust it's more likely they do not trust you.. if they talk about their previous marriage they are not over it.. if they talk about their ex it means they are not over their ex... people only say shit when they think it's important or when they do not know what to do.

be real , be direct , be straight and cut the shit... if she has a issue and you catch her on it , well yeah it might ruin your chances of getting attraction.. but at least you know if it's real or not and i'f she's healthy enough for a relationship... even if she gets pissed at you - at least you told her what her issues are, so she doesn't fuck you or anyone else up in relationships

ignorance is bliss i guess

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I flew to another country to see her, and whilst she did warn me just days before I was supposed to leave that maybe she was looking to take things slow and just be friends, she knew I had alreday rented a house etc.

I left being upset saying I wasnt going to just be a friend but then back tracked saying Im sure we will hang again and see what happens.

Now Ive been friendly but its been a week now without contact. This is obv unusual as we spoke all day everyday.

I dont plan to contact her but if she makes contact with me and says hi, I dont know how to respond. Some of you say ignore her which just makes me look bitter I feel others say just be short and to the point which makes me maybe look boring.

Any advice?

yeah do not ignore..

like i said you care too much... if she doesn't contact you you will get more needy and angry.if you really had read my post and took it to heart you knew what to do ...
Look you are not going to reject her.. i know because you are trying to find middleground .. you are looking for a way to dodge the bad shit and still keep her.

Do not say anything .. delete her number and email and avoid contacting her.. if she likes you she contacts you.. if she cares you will hear from her. dude who the fuck gives a shit ? this is the past.. who says it's relevant on this moment ? stop being a chode.. my eyes are starting to bleed including all my exGF their vags.. this isn't worth it .. you will get hurt some way or another..
why don't you find yourself a girl who really likes you ? stop being a moron and man the fuck up... not knowing what to say ? who the fuck cares ? why don't you just tell her you want to be friends in order to get into her pants ? WHO CARES ABOUT HOW IT MAKES YOU LOOK ?

YOU ARE ALREADY NEEDY
YOU ARE ALREADY BITTER
YOU ARE ALREADY CARING TOO MUCH

now pickup something from the floor and hit yourself on the head.. stop investing.. you are turning into something manipulative.. don't let her do that to you

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ahhhh you're not going to get her back... just face the reality of it. It sucks, nobody likes to fail. You are of 1 of the million guys on here that have the exact same story and guess what? 99% of them didn't get them back or flip the script. All the stories are exactly the same to a point where you think it's the same girl they're talking about with you.

clearly she doesn't love or like you enough ... kind of friendzoned you..

here are some of my examples on how i never received real love from a girl

one girl got pregnant and dumped me with the reason she still likes her ex
one girl cheated on my best friend

one girl talked about her ex .. so i broke up with her.. i still decided to give her a chance because i respect her - only to find out she just wanted revenge and dumped me after this.

one girl probably had stockholm syndrom .. anyway she liked her abusive ex who fed her coke more than me.. just ran away and i never heard from her again

few examples ...i i just gave my best and tried everything... im not saying im a victim because i tried my best after improving inner game.. and i really loved them all...

you on the other hand .. you are trying to make someone like or love you... i never received real love because i just never got it even.. i jsut tried my very best everytime... why the fuck do you want a fucked up bad relationship ? i never chose to want one, it just turned out that way .. you on the other hand are choosing one.

so get it inside your head... stop fucking up yourself by getting a relationship that's not healthy.

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Why so many words just to say that you fucked up, you weren't in control, you weren't dominant, you let her walk over you and your feelings?

You really should stop. You are giving people the wrong idea about a lot of things.

Wow, I really appreciate all your insights guys....

I know I should just delete her number, forget about her and move on. Obviously there is an inner voice in me thats stopping me or trying to stop me doing this. I think its because I invested just too much time over the past months in her and I just cant bare to think that its all over. But I guess it is.

I really want to stay in touch as I know and she says the same thing we have so much fun together. But at the end of the day, I obviously am caring far too much about her or at least much more than she is about me.

Crazy how at the start I was so indifferent I actually preffered another girl, blew her off so many times and now Im acting like a pathetic wimp who cant stop thinking of her.

cointoss haha you should be a stand up comedian .. i think the OP can decide if he likes the advice or not... if he would like to have one opinion only he would private message you. ..now stop being a whinny bitch running around for attention...if you want a career as a babysitter you have come to the wrong place
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hotcold ..

it's not pathetic .. it's ok to feel this way , you trust someone and you like/care about someone .. and then she drops you. it's not pathetic and il bet it took alot of courage to open up to her like that. do not become jaded or angry , it's ok dude.. this happens alot of times and it isn't even that bad.. It only feels bad because it's happening at the moment

she doesn't feel the same and she doesn't answer you emotions...you have to realise you feel way more than her and therefore she does have more control. you need to delete her number ... if she wants to contact you she will .. if you want you can ignore her... i recommend ignoring because you are too invested.

some guys on this forum will go like '' but you will never find out or you never tried , maybe you would get a good relationship blablabla ''

first of all .. she preferred her ex above you
second ; there are many woman and even better ones which you can have great relationships with.

believe me .. this one was the unhealthy im not over my ex type ... all you need is a ''i am over my ex type''

now you know you are right .. because you are thinking too much about her.. get her out of your head and get a girl who deserves you

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You mean to tell me this girl let you fly all the way overseas and didn't let you smash? She needs her ass beat on principle.
You just wasted however much money it cost i know that flight wasn't cheap.

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she is leading the frame, you are reacting to her, everything is about her, what does she want, you are living for her, how can you please her?, what can you do to win her?, how can you get her back?, what sort of secret magical technique will make her love you?, she is higher value then you, that is how you congruently see her, and as long as you do, you will sub-communicate this, she will sense it, become more and more turned off, and you become more and more needy think for a second, think really hard, women, are attracted to your status, your power, your confidence, your looks, now think about the elements you are trying to control in this situation to improve the attraction she has for you, immediately you can alter your status in relation to her, currently what is the god damned status you are assigning to her?, is it lowly girl who does not matter, who is at most almost on your level who takes your leadership and complies with your wants or gets ignored?, NO, the frame of this interaction is, GIRL WHO IM IN LOVE WITH AND NEED BECAUSE SHE IS IMPORTANT, now how do you think this relates to your social status in her eyes?
you don't have to delete her number, you just have to stop being needy, outline what you want, this frame you are setting is completely counter productive, you are not leading at all, you are being led, IT IS NEVER WHAT CAN YOU DO TO GET HER TO LIKE YOU, do you even understand?, that is the definition of approval seeking, DO NOT SEEK APPROVAL, it is never what you can do for her, it is what she can do for you, if you don't love yourself before others, they have more status then you do, does that make sense to you?, I know it is hard, but you have either,

1)outline directly what it is you want, and if that outline is not complied with, actively withdraw, it is not needy, it is fucking honesty, HEY I FEEL A CONNECTION TO YOU, WE COULD NEVER JUST BE FRIENDS, IF WE HAVE TO BE FRIENDS WE SHOULD NOT SEE EACH OTHER ANYMORE

2)don't outline but don't have a need to get anything, and when thing don't go your way, you guessed it, WITH FUCKING DRAW, why do you do this?, because she doesn't matter, you want some sex, you don't get that around her, so you withdraw, you don't need sex from her, but you want sex, so, she is not meeting your needs, KEY WORD BEING ''YOUR'' not ''HER'', you don't get mad and try to force her to meet your needs, or mad because she is not meeting your needs, you just don't care, and start ignoring her, does this seem needy?, only if it is because you are being bitter and want some sort of response out of her, ignore to fucking ignore, cause she is a waste of time, don't do it to win her over, sometimes a girl will ask what is up after being ignored, and you deliver option 1), HEY I FEEL A CONNECTION... ETC. she either meets the needs or does not, it is not your job to force anything, or make her feel a certain way, it does not work like that, she is not more important then you, if you feel she is, eventually she will feel she is as well

GOOD LUCK

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Guys. I agree with everything you say.... things moved on slightly.

I had a big event in New York and tagged quite a few photos on Facebook of people who were at the event. One of the 20 pics was her and me. (taken when we were together.)

Didnt put a comment but it showed up on her page.

The next day she untagged herself.

I sent her the following having had no contact for a week:

ME: My guys loaded pics from the event. They wanted your name but just told me you untagged yourself. Would you like the rest of the photos removed. Makes no diff to me.

HER: Hey, if it was them its fine. Its just you always always only put pixs up of you and loads of girls, & dont want to be really part of the hang on entourage. thats all it was sorry.

ME: Babe its totally cool. Kinda of in a business where I get photographed for work. The girls from the clubs etc. I kinda think your above a hang on entourage. I leave them to it, but I know what you mean, just had lots of events recently. So How you Coping without me?

AFTER ONE HOUR NO REPLY

ME: So how did your week of non stop partying go? Im sure I saw you swinging from a Pole in one of the London Newspapers. And I thought you were tame without me....


NO REPLY


I just dont quite get it as shes such a fun friendly girl normally. Now I feel Ive left it on a real bad note... What are your thoughts? Its late now but do i just cease contact?

I was going to say "Wow your in a chatty mood today?" But decided not tooo.

I know this is going nowhere but when we are together alone, we did have so much fun..... Need help please.

STOP IT

Everybody is fucking telling you to stop talking to this girl and you respond telling us about the last thing you said to her. Stop this shit. If you agreed with what these people were saying, you would follow their advice. Instead you say "I know, that's exactly waht I need" and then you do the exact opposite.

Ok. I agree with you all.

I obv fucked up. Have I now really fucked it up? I was just wanting to leave it now on some sort of basis that I dont look like a total idiot.

Is there anything I now say or have i totally fucked it.

Shes obv annoyed that Im with other girls but is this positive, negative or am I still fucked!

Dude just leave it be and let her go already. The reason she isnt responding is because she doesnt want to escalate it any further. It's over... Deal with it. It tough, but she's not flirting back because she doesn't want it to go anywhere.