I have to agree with Froggy, you have to isolate after attraction and then you can DHV and stuff... but honestly fuck DHVing all the time like that. Show you are alpha and sexual escalation and she will be on you. Remember in your story when you were with that girl and you spun her around and she then sat on your lap. You did not once tell a story about how you saved a child from drowing in the atlantic ocean, you showed dominance and assertiveness and used kino/sexual escalation and then she sat on your lap. What you should do after this is build some kind of comfort and/or your games. I like to play the cube cause its fun and it isnt just you talking, I mean mostly you but what I do is say it in a trance. Slow down, softer, and let her fall in love with the game and in the latter you.

Love your stuff bro but I feel like you are trapping yourself in a system. This doesnt need to have rules, you can build attraction in C1-C3 stage in fact its better to have a bit of both. Like I take girls on my date ... we sit get up go somewhere else sit and chat get up go somewere else... this keeps it lively and fresh. What I am beginning to realize is the first 5 mins is attraction and make her laugh, than find commonalities and at the same time use cocky/tongue and cheek humour to relate -this builds both comfort and attraction at the same time- but remember be serious at the same time or she will just think ur a player and a lay not bf material you have to be both attractive (cocky t&c) + comfort (serious and legit responses)

Good luck and love reading your stories they good stuff!

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Raphael.Rapoport that's exactly what I said in my post to froggy.. that I shoud've isolated and that if I would've done that I would easily kiss close because I had finished my attraction phase. And guys stop telling me to not use a system. Using a system gives you structure for god sakes I told it like a million times. I want to learn game structure so I can have a big picture of the process of getting to open a set to closing one.. the best MPUA's started like this and it's great that you guys give me tips like you just did Raphael that helps me.. but I'm just tired of people always telling me to not use a system or routines. I do not use 100% routines guys I'm actually fast thinking on the spot but learning some structure doesn't hurt.

I also like the way that you talked about builidng attraction even in C1-C3 stage.. I totally agree with that.. it was just my first night using this model and in my head I didn't knew C1 was isolate.. I though I'm in A3.. Isolation is very important I know.

Thanks a lot for your help bro! I'm glad my stories keep you entertained

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Date: 10 december 2011

NO SARGING NIGHT


Damn.. can't go sarging.. last week of exams. Shit I want to game so badly but next friday I'm going to EXPLODE in gaming..prepare for field reports almost each day

Good luck in field mates! Don't be a pussy be a dick!

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I wasnt saying don't use a system entirely but make your own version of a system. The reason some PUA's are so famous is because they took the original MM and then made it their own. MM has A1-A3 and then C1-C3 but who said it cant be A1 C1 A2 A3 C2 C3 A1 C1 and just a rotation like that.

Like you said you didn't know when to Isolate C1 or A3, thats because you were so bounded to a structure, sometimes you gotta break the rules If you feel a moment go for it just stare into her eyes and say lets get out of her with ur eyes then stick out ur hand take hers and walk away, dont even need to ask. Asking only leads to verbal responses which could be said due to ASD, she can be saying no but taking ur hand and leading her away clearly shows she means yes just needs to not come off as a slut... Bestof luck sarging tonight!

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Raphy, what you are saying is true, but in order to create something of your own, you have to try different methods. Every method is a knowledge and with that knowledge you can see what works...what doesn't, what fits your style and what is more efficient...and with that make your own method of PU. What Valentyn said in his previous posts is that he is coming back to step 1 so he can progress properly. What I think, is that he found he was taking shortcuts by going from mystery method to direct, while he didn't develop his indirect game enough...so back to square one. Valentyn will not do Mystery method all his life, but will stick with it for a while.

P.S. He is working on his own method, but he is getting knowledge first in order to build a method that fits him

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Well said than that works, I did that as well, when I first was starting off I actually was reading this journel and using material from here, my first night out I opened so many sets just using MM and then slowly been adjusting it until finally I threw it out and just do my own thing. But yea to each his own right

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Hello Valentyn,

I just finished reading your journal and I think you did an amazing job so far.

As for the *almost f-close*, I think you could've fucked the girl easily, you just didn't want to really go for it. In other words, you *pussied out*. Since you never f-closed yet, you we're probably just scared of the unknown. Personally, I needed 3 golden opportunities before I could get my first f-close (And by golden, I mean golden i.e girl dragging you to the bathroom,etc). Maybe you're not ready yet?

I don't think I have any real game when it comes to women. But still, I just put my balls out and it does the trick. You will never hear me say that I am a PUA, but that doesn't mean I don't know what to do with girls. But anyways, back to that girl. You just had to be direct. That simple.

When they asked you where you would sleep, you could've just said : "Don't worry, we'll manage something" and tell the girl to sleep with you when you are alone so she doesn't feel pressure from anyone else. If, for some reason, you couldn't get to sleep with the girl, just go in her room after a while, find any bullshit excuse and just lay on the bed. You start talking, and like the other guy said, offer a massage, easiest way to escalate into a fuck-close.

As for sarging, I usually go to Fouf's or Cafe Campus but my nights are already really busy since I'm already *coaching* a friend of mine so I don't think I could meet up in the near future. However, if you feel like it, feel free to send me a picture of you via PM and I could come talk to you if you go to any of those clubs/bars.

Finally, here's my thought on drinking while sarging: It's up to you. I will never tell anyone to drink or not to drink while they are gaming girls. It's a question of taste, it's your decision. Of course, it can be easier when you start if you are drunk, but keep in mind that sooner or later, you will have to start gaming girls without being totally drunk. Personally, I pretty much always drink when I go out (If I'm not driving) but I'm never totally drunk. I usually drink 3-6 beers in a couple of hours. But still, I think that my alcohol tolerance is really developed since it doesn't affect me that much. Most people, even my close friends, doesn't see any difference in my behavior when I drink or when I'm sober. Fact is, when I go out. I want to have fun. I don't go at a bar to really just "game" girls. I go there to have fun, and yes, gaming girls is a part of the fun.

Keep on working hard

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Dear Optimist, Pessimist & Realist,

Just to let you know that while you guys were arguing about the glass of water...... I drank it!

Sincerely, the Opportunist

MrMatt thanks for your comment..maybe you're right about my almost fclose but at least I went a little bit further my comfort zone. I'll be honest, it's even harder than I thought to escalate in front of my friends.. if we would've been alone in my house.. of course I would kino escalate who should lead us where I wanted. As for your sarging nights..you can PM me like 1 week before you go to Café Campus.. I'll definately come I loved that place because it's filled with a lot of people I know and a lot of sets to practice. I see you're more of a natural and more of having fun and of course this is a great mindset when you sarge but the only difference between me and you is that I'm working on purpose on these skills so I'm able to pick up during the day also or anywhere else I want. With that being said..looking forward to meet you at least one time.. peace out dude!!

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Date: 14 december 2011

FOURTH MONTH PUA GAMING UPDATE


What up cats..today is officially my 4th month since getting in the game..it sucks though.. because in 4 months.. I didn't go out much.. this month I only sarged 2 times.. which is nothing. I want to go out but too many exams this month. With that bein said.. I didn't gain a lot of experience lately..although my last exam is in 2days..looking forward to that and looking forward to meet some of you guys. If you live in montreal and you want to hang out for improving our skills..I'm always available no excuses! Stop bitching and start gaming! I also realized something good yesterday.. it's been quite a while since I started going to the gym..like 1 year and a half ago..and I didn't gave up untill this day.. which a lot of people who start training do

With that being said.. peace out!

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Date: 16 december 2011

GOALS 4 WINTER VACATION


Gaming time: 16th of december to the 16th of january


Specific Action Goals:

- Make 50 approaches

- Complete the StyleLifeChallenge

- Have my first FC

- Hit the gym at least 3x/week


Yep..this is it.. one month of intense gaming..let's see what I'm capable of. I will keep progress of all of these goals in this journal.. including the StyleLifeChallenge. I start out today..in about 4 hours.. Peace out!!!

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I want to do this as well, except what it StylelifeChallenge? I will also try and make like 10 approaches a day 50 seems too little :p

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Great idea man and FC I'm sure you will. I want to do something similar but am home in my little town for Christmas, same faces again and again here unfortunately. Maybe its time to do a bunch of social networking game to keep my chops fresh. who knows lol

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Date: 16 december 2011

Members: Valentyn, Froggy, Gamon & T_Rex

Location: Comission des Liqueurs (NOISY NIGHTCLUB)


GOOD SARGING NIGHT

Hey guys..what a great way to start my vacation! Great time in field with my boys yesterday. I actually approached 8 sets!!! My goal was to open only 3.. I don't remember all of them so I'll just mention the most important interactions I made.

So we arrive at the club.. I was social proof to the roof.. I knew half of the club (birthday of one of my friends). I introduced some targets to my wings.. and I see a HB who's in love with me from my classes. I isolate her instantly to build her as a pivot. I isolate than I make the 5 question game (Style).. I win and she buys me a drink.. DHVing me all the way in front of a 5 set I'll later open. She started to make kino escalation on me in order to kiss me haha lol I dodged the bullet like 3 times I took her hand put her around my arm and walked through the entire club to demonstrate pre-selection. So me and Froggy we see a perfect two set.. I go near them and after 10sec.. I open with the Jealous Girflfriend (Style). I did so muchhh Mystery gambits .. it went kind of like this

V: "Hey I need your opinion me and my friend are having a debate..So we have this friend and his girfriend kissed another girl last week..is that cheating?"
HB: "No that's not cheating"
*We talk about it and Froggy goes on the other side of the set.. taking care of the obstacle for me*

V: "Wow.. is that a wig you're wearing? "
HB: "What?? No they're real feel them!"
*I pull her hair gently and she liked it*
V: "Oh... nice I thought they were fake... they're pretty tough"
She started giving me IOI's and started kino.. here's the problem.. I don't know why but I wasn't doing any kind of important kino on her..I realized it too late but after compleing my A1 and A2 objective.. I started to bait hook reel realease in A3. I did an ESP trick the trick of 1 to 4.. and she said like woww wtfff that was sick. I'm like : yeah I'm a magician during my free time Haha she laughed. Alright so back in A3 now...
V: "What do you have going for you more than your looks?"
HB: "What?"
V: "Beauty is really common..look around you..many beautifull girls..what do you have more than your looks?"
HB: "I don't knoww...."
V: "What is rare is someone who has a great personality, a great energy and a great outcome..ah you got 2 out of 3 you're not bad! "
*Hb didn't want to qualify to me so fuck I was still in A3... but I said to her I'll be coming to see her later in the night. I asked for isolation.. but she didn't want to be isolated.. she wanted to be with her friend.*

I also negged her with "Introduce me to your friend it's the polite thing to do". I also asked for her name in A2 and I did the 60 year challenge handshake..giving her two kisses on each cheeck. This was my first approach and to be honest... I felt like a boss.. great gaming I tried a lot of material and my wing Froggy helped me perfectly by handling the obstacle! Great job buddy!

Right so I needed this.. and after that.. boom Social God Mode.. I just went in the field and boom opened and opened and oopened till me and Froggy opened all the fucking club by ourselves. We had so manyy sets hooked that we didn't knew who the hell to game.. We shou've forward merge some sets.

So during the night..I'm leaned back and locking in looking for my next target. Froggy comes to me and says he need my help to take care of an obstacle. I go in and I see this taller girl with this cute HB that was his target. He makes an Accomplishment Introduction.. and I imediately pull the obstacle towards me and I go in once again

V: "Omg are your nails real? They look fake"
HB: *looking at them* "Yeah theyre fake haha"
V: "I knew it "

Wow guys that neg exploded her Bitch Shield. She had some attitude towards me so that's why I went in with that neg but here's what hapened as soon that I disqualifed from being a potential suiter

HB: "Hey what's your age?" (IOI)
V: "Guess"
HB: "Hm....25!"
V: "25???? hahaa no I'm actually 28"
HB: "Really??"
V: "No I'm 20"
HB: "20?? wow that's great" (IOI)
V: "You?"
HB: "Guess"
V: "30??? haha"
HB: "What?? No way I'm 24"
HB: "Listen I think you're really interesting..I just want to mention that I have a boyfriend" (She said that in a good way..I took it as an IOI.. she said it in a way that she was pissed she had a boyfriend) I swear to god mature girls are so in to me all the time it's crazy!
V: "It's okay"
HB: " I think your friend likes my friend"
V: "Who wouldn't like your friend? She's a cute girl"
HB: "Aww that was sweet.. she has a boyfriend though"
*Ohhh shit... I quickly lean in and whisper to Froggy's ear.. "she's in a relationship" and we eject*

I approached using negs.. the fake nails thing.. great response but didn't multiple-thread.. I locked in with almost all my fucking sets.. some sets I did great kino.. I didn't even find my first target so I at least number close. I did other gaming stuff but these were the important interactions. I also made a second pivot and the girl started giving me tons of IOI's (she was my friend though).. I once again took her arm and walked with her in the entire room just to build social proof.. girls were looking at me from every corner of the club. Haha great night man it felt good to have a sarging night where you try so many stuff! My 2nd pivot even qualified to me and said I look really sexy with an ear piercing


OVERALL

Great night to start my vacation..I made fucking 8 approaches when I only wanted 3! I tried a lottt of new material and I'm happy I had 0 AA and turning that AA into approach excitement - AE. Great winging from Froggy and even though I didn't close any set.. it was great to be in action.. it felt good.. peace guys! Sarging tonight again!

POSITIVE

- Used a lot of new material
- Negged a lot of targets
- Went until A3- couldn't isolate so I couldn't went in C1
- Builed kino
- Had a lot of IOI's
- Approached 8 sets!! I have 42 now remaining
- Social proof with 2 pivots and pre-selection

NEGATIVE

- Didn't close
- Didn't isolate any target (although I was alone with my targets sometimes..just not in C1..I was in A2 or A3)
- Didn't build kino with my best set of the night

*Other than this.. I'm pretty pleased with my performance.. great body language and all..*

Peace out cats!

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Date: 16 december 2011

STYLE LIFE CHALLENGE - DAY 1


Allright.. so the first day of the challenge is really basic..I had to make 5 approaches to any strangers and to make small talk. I practiced my 3 sec rule.. immediately when I spotted somebody, I went in for the kill. My wing Gamon is doing the challenge with me and he did the same. Really easy...no stress..my opener that I used like 3 times was: "Do you guys know a place where they sell pancakes?" Haha with that being said..

Peace out guys!

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There's a book called "Rules of The Game" by Neil Strauss..in it.. there's Neil Strauss's 30 day challenge.. which basicaly he guides you step by step from the meeting process to getting a second date with a girl. He gives you each day different mission assignments with the adequate theory for each specific assignement. Basically..you can only learn something good from this so I'm going to finish it and see results..

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