...ran into this girl I've been on-and-off flirting with...and she had a cigarette in her mouth. I didn't even know she smoked! I was so surprised I didn't acknowledge it.

Anyway...I say hi then don't move to make any more conversation. She says to me...taking the cigarette out of her mouth..."Not too cold this morning..."

Given 20/20 hindsight...what do you do here? Note: This girl is an absolute 10.

Here are some random possibilities to comment on...

A. (furrow brow in disappointed fashion) "Didn't know you were Jane Camel..."
B. "Such a beautiful girl, why do you do that to yourself?" (not saying this is good but it's just part of the list of things that hit my head)
C. "Ohh...you don't smoke a lot, do you?"
D. "Can I see that a second?" (take the cigarette, then casually toss it on the ground and stomp it out. This is a majorly strong move, but for some reason I'd be interested to see how a girl would react)
E. "Can I see that a second?" (give it a quick sniff like it's an alien substance, hand it back) HER: "What?" YOU: "Never understood that. That smells good to you?"

Personal opinion.

I can't be with a smoker, I am absolutely disgusted by women who smoke cigarettes, so I'd just move on.

It is honestly your call though, if you don't mind the smell and taste of it when kissing a woman, then by all means go for it. And if you are going to go for her, then you should definitely tease her for it. Most people who smoke don't really like it all that much and teasing her about it will show you are heath-conscious and of slightly higher value.

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This is a neg opener that someone on the forum gave me recently to try out.

"If you didn't smoke, you'd so be mine!"

J SMOOTH

Well my reaction is that it's obviously pretty trashy, and makes me realize that she's kind-of trashy too.

How would one communicate this, though?

My goal here has shifted from actually making a girlfriend out of her to just f-cking her though..

Woa bro, you think she's trashy cause she smokes? Am I missing something here...

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Basically yes. There are other factors too, but that's pretty much sealed the deal.

Usually smokers are so tired of getting shit on for smoking that it really pisses them off when people neg them about it, so I wouldn't recommend it.

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I don't like smokers myself, NEXT.

why are you so picky for?? it's not like you're goin to marry her or anything.

I don't like that smoking stuff either, BUT I've been with smokers and non-smokers. Both can be great in the sack.

Another questions . . . you called her a 10 at first, but later said there are other factors that made her kind of trashy, but the smoking sealed the deal. How can she be an absolute 10, yet still be so trashy? What other factors are these?

If I told you, it would completely derail the thread. She also doesn't know I know, and I suspect I wouldn't have found out about the smoking unless I hadn't run into her in such an "unexpected" way. The whole thing is bizarre because we're both the best-looking people where we are and we're sort-of fighting over who's going to develop the crush on who.

But nonetheless, when I say absolute 10, I mean from looks, body, the way she presents herself and surface personality. The first time I saw her, I never bothered to acknowledge her because I thought she'd be a total bitch because she had no apparent flaws. (That may be one reason why she took interest in me.) I've dated a few Beauty Pageant contestants and Calendar models etc...but she's by far the most beautiful girl I've ever exchanged eyes with. I started reading this forum specifically because I want to close this deal very, very badly and I'm willing to "play dirty" to do it.

Ummmm, no, that's not how it works. We need info to be able to give you a complete and honest answer. If we have partial info, what we tell you may be completely wrong. Which would mean you'd blow it with her.

Here's something I got from tv like 2 years ago (Was way too AFC too do it back then) But I've been doing this for a while now, It takes practice and atleast a basic understanding of magic/showmanship. Here's what you do (Actually DO NOT DO IT!!!) Either grab some of the ashes and spread them as thick as you can between your index finger and thumb, If you can't get a good enough amount of ash use dripping wet fingers. (I really have no idea which one hurts less, but the ashes are a professional thing to do) Anyway the ashes should Insolate your finger enough to avoid serious injury, and yeah the water should just cool the amber enough to not get hurt at all.

Anyway the basic thing you do it take the amber between your index and thumb end pull it off the cigarette. This is really annoying to smokers and it kinda impresses girls.

PS. DO NOT DO THIS! IT DOES HURT!

I smoke and I hate it when people give me shit about it. I respect people that don't like the smell of smoke so I go far enough so they can't smell it but if they start fake coughing or try to be witty, I'd tell them off. That's why smokers ALWAYS bond to each other even as perfect strangers because they have one thing in common, they hate being criticized about smoking.

Nah, its fine, you just get your finger and thumb REALLY moist with your spit (run them down the sides of your tongue, like you're pulling it) and then do it. Its just like putting out a lit match or candle.

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