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are you crazy? You are trying to save your face by saying i am khuram? Blind man, check the ip or email or whatever you can or want. And dont worry. I would be around following you like a stalker
No.

I already identified you as 'khuram' and so did the mods.

Result :

USER HAS BEEN BANNED.

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I used "Hey, something reminded me of you" text.

She responded in a minute with "What's that?". Golden.
Well, glad to hear it worked well for you.

Keep it up! :)

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Dear fieldmonster,

Don gives good, solid advice to up and coming PUAs. not all of us can approach girls give complete confidence and suave yet. Don helps us newbs learn how to talk and set up dates via text. Without his advice, I would not have had my past 6 day2 dates. Even though his advice is situational and sometimes not what other PUAs would recommend, he is consistently there to help. I dont care if he is sometimes wrong or even takes things from other sites, i am on this site and on this thread specifically because I like this forum and how Don Draper conducts himself. If he takes it from other sites then that means less work for me and more knowledge/wisdom for him to further help other new puas. Even if some advice doesnt work, its like every different method out there, take everything with a grain of salt. But the fact that he is available to help and that the majority of his advice does work, I would and i will continue to ask him for help. If you disagree with someone on this forum who is trying to help and answer the questions of newbs like me, dont bash them on a few mistakes. Lets work toward a brighter future for everyone, be positive and help when you can. dont argue over stupid shit, follow the brocode and try to help everyone get laid, not get anxiety. :P so if you differ in opinion, just say so without a tirade. just post your opinion/advice and hopefully someone will see that it is worthwhile. This message is to you and others who get aggressive on the forums, there is no need to act that way. You dont need to respond to this, just try to be positive to help everyone get laid in future posts. you may try to bash me for this post but it doesnt matter, i know that my positive outlook will eventually lead me to be a mPUA. ill be the little train that could or the turtle that beats the rabbit, but ill get there eventually. the guys who are here on the forum who are dedicated to help newbs like me, Don, Ryan, Chief and all the mods, i would like to thank you for all your posts and advice. Mohandas Gandhi once said that "A man is but the product of his thoughts what he thinks, he becomes." I think positively, I think i will become a PUA. Hopefully ill get there soon, but with laughter and a smile on my face. I wish you all the best dude, good luck with all the women you have opened and all the ones you have yet to open.

Sincerely,

J Slay
Thanks for the big vote of confidence there, J Slay. I really appreciate it. :)

He is a regular troll on the forums. This was the 7th account of him that the moderators banned. I sometimes wonder what would drive a man to make all these accounts to troll, and instead why not go out and meet some women. If you saw from his posts, all he talked about were old PUA methods. He was just recycling old information and getting a kick out of it.

I have no issues with criticism, I am not God. I won't always be correct. But, atleast have some "real life experience" before you start pointing fingers at me saying "WRONG!". Little request. :wink:

Good day to you.

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OK so, i met a girl and we ended up bbming alot, went from general stuff to deep stuff like our past, her ex, my ex, and then about how its good to share problems and she offered to help at any time and what not. so rapport was somewhat there.

Problem is after 2 days she kinda stopped talking to me really, I guess it was too much txting??

the last convo we had was really dry, she was barely responding, responded very slowly, and it was brief responses. So I took my time responding too.

But it seems like I have completely killed it.
From what i have picked up so far from this forum is: NOT to ignore her, but also not to text her first. (shes 2 years older, (24 yo) so that might be an obstacle?

Should I text her late tonight with something interesting that she wont resits responding to? or wait till she texts me?
I have class with her once a week btw.

Oh before she slowed down texting me and stuff we met up once to do homework, I dont think I killed it then. it seemed to be dying already.

Thanks in advance! Don you are incredibly knowledgeable, I have been reading most of the past pages
Firstly, thank you for the compliment at the end. I appreciate that. :)

Now, to the problem..

Well, firstly there is nothing as "too much texting", if she's replying, you're replying and the conversation is going, it's not a problem.

Maybe, the reason why things are "dying down" as you put it, could be a lack of topics to talk about? (I'm just going out on a hunch, because you didn't provide me the last messages at which she stopped), well if it is indeed that issue, then you need to start looking around you, there are so many things to talk about.. magazines, newspapers, books, television, movies, something which happened at the college, something which happened to you that day/week.. look keep the conversation flowing, it not only develops a good rapport, but it also helps in establishing a decent comfort level. Unless, she feels comfortable with you, she is not going to "hang out" with you, or reply to your texts.

Maybe, initially the novelty of knowing a new person carries forward the encounter and the conversation, but after a while you need to start talking about things, interesting things, things in which she'd like to give her opinion.

Look, text her tonight with an open ended question.. "Hey, something reminded me of you today.." or a "You won't believe what happened to me today.." and follow up with that.

Here's a golden rule, in texting, calling as in life :

If you don't like what's being said, change the conversation. :)

Good luck.

And thanks for thinking of me.

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dont you worry don. I dont care what you say about me and i dont care about posting here. I am contributing to another forum. But whenever you or vitaman-j post anything, i would be there. They can ban my id but they can never ban me. And i dont care about the id as it just takes a minute to register a new id.
Cheers!
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Well, I appreciate the heads up.

Good day to you too.

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my fight with don is definately going to help many guys. lets first
No. Not really.

It's just going to give you an excuse to post 200 times a day, and talk about old PUA concepts. But, hey, I'll bite. :wink:
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you said that she were not responding much so you have to do most of the talking(were you talking about rape ? Were you talking about killing peoples? If not, then no problem with your talk)
My friend here has a sever problem of not understanding English. It's not his fault really, he's just so eager to be Mystery. :)

Pay attention " i met a girl and we ended up bbming alot, went from general stuff to deep stuff like our past, her ex, my ex, and then about how its good to share problems and she offered to help at any time and what not. so rapport was somewhat there. Problem is after 2 days she kinda stopped talking to me really" so as you can see, there was NO problem initially and they were both putting the same amount of efforts. If they ended on the note that she offered to help him about his problems (read : dead end) because the only reply given to that can be "Thanks. I would do the same for you." or such.

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and don is such a big loser that he dont even know that if a person isnt even replying to you, what are you going to do of the topics? Topics matter the least.
How would she respond to your texts depends on how she feels about you and how much she is attracted to you. If she is attracted to you she would talk a lot and reply quickly even if you are talking about the most boring topic on the world. Makes sense?

Leaving the personal flaming aside, AGAIN, look at how he ignores the core concepts. Topics matter the most in a conversation, but perhaps, he would know that IF he went on in the field. But, I will humor him, and assume from this point that he doesn't :wink: and still reply..

"Weather"

Him : Hey, how's the weather today?
Her: It's nice. There are so many clouds, I think it might rain!
Him : I know, I love rains!
Her : Me too!

That is ALL you can say about the weather, before you HAVE to change to another topic. Keep talking about the weather, and she'll say what a weirdo.

This is not about pick-up, this is general advice, unless you have a slew of interesting, intelligent topics to hold her or for that matter the other person's interest they won't bother with replying or will just give boring replies like "k".
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And then don says to text her, ok suppose you texted her but if she shows the same behaviour again? How to handle that? Don didnt tell you that because he dont have the reall life experience.
So in short, don offered the most shitty advice that you would ever get.
Now lets analyze your situation.
Were she into you when you met her for the first time? Did she show interest? from your post, i guess yes. You texted a lot and all that. So where is your mistake?
Your possible mistakes are
1. You texted too much and didnt give her personel space.
2. You executed a behaviour that reduced her attraction levels ( neediness, lieing, not standing your ground etc)
and there is only one solution to both of them
BREAK RAPPORT.
Cut off all communication for 2 or 3 days. Let her breathe. 
Another reason for her behaviour could be some of her personel issues( could be a fi8 with a fi8, may be someone out of her family died, may be her family issue blah blah blah)
and if thats the case, you dont need to cut off all communication, you need to be there. You dont need to discuss her issues or to be her therapist but you need to be there. Reply her when she texts you, talk to her but dont talk too much. Dont initiate chat with her, just once or twice in a day for an hour maximum(you dont wanna be around her all the time because when she is experiencing bad feelings and you are around her all the time, she would associate those bad feelings to being with you.)
what you need to do now?
Text her and try to figure out the reall issue, read her behaviour and then apply the appropriate solution. I have given you all the information that you need.
Cheers!
khuram


They say, a man tells us a lot more about himself, when he is talking about others. Look at this example and see what we learn about khuram. :wink:

Point number 1, in where he talks about not giving her personal space, well, she was comfortable enough to discuss her ex and her past with you, those are BIG personal boundaries and women don't do that very often with guys they've just met. So, claiming "personal space" is well, a shitty excuse since she has no problem with discussing her personal issues. Do not push her, but instead ask her, show genuine interest in knowing, be empathetic but do not be a therapist.

Point number 2, is somewhat valid but I cannot comment on that because you have not provided with the log or even some messages. How khuram can, is well, beyond me. :wink:

After that point there is a lot of assumptions.

One thing, I want people to know about posting here, is that unlike my friend khuram here, I DO NOT work on assumptions. I work on the information provided to me. If you are not telling me all your situations in full, I won't be able to give you the solution which will be exact to your problem and there will always be some degree of generalizing in there. So, be honest with your problems. No one here is judging you.

Again, this arguement is fun, but from this point onwards your posts won't be replied to. You can cry about it, shout about it, abuse me, write a poem about, maybe listen to Taylor Swift if that's your thing :wink:.. but, you, sir, will be unequivocally and categorically IGNORED.

And for those who want to use his advice, please go ahead and do so. My way is NOT the only way to do things. But, it's what I can come up with, for you, in your situation. Rest is a factor of trust in my abilities. But, I'll leave that for you to understand who's advice to take and who's to ignore.

Thank you and good luck.


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And khuram strikes again! Not very alpha of a guy to act like that....


I'm thinking...I'll change my name from Vitamin-J to The Khuram hunter! They can give me a TV show and everything!..maybe...Man Vs Khuram..Bear Grylls can guest star and everything!

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Thanks a lot for the response guys!
Ok so ill just add in a few more details, ill txt her around 12 pm today.
This is the point where I feel it started to go downhill. This was 2 days ago

Me: Hey I'm contemplating between studying at langara or sfu sry. You have any hw to do today, or are you gonna bum around haha
Her: I'm gona go to sfu... My frds helpin me wit the upcoming asignment. We're gona go around 4! So come there
Me: No wonder you know how to do this stuff, u have a private tutor haha
Me: I just realized I totally forgot to add something to the last assignment
Me: I need to so ace this test
Her: Me toooo!! We can start studyig today then!
Her: :D
Her: Ya she's my rock, she helped me a lot lol
Her: But the last asmt ii don't think I did too well :p
Me: Alright sounds like a plan lol.

I don't like how she said I'm going to sfu... (Those dots appear like she doesn't want to meet), but her next sentences say otherwise.
So she was 1.5 hours late from when she said she'll be there (4pm). But at 4 I didn't msg her I just did my own thing, I msged her at 4:30 about how I didn't get this stuff and yeah she came at 530. Anyways during the meet I didn't get much IOIs, her attention was mostly on her phone and the computer. (It was a asignment done by computer). Plus I had to lean in more than she did, felt like she was speaking to quietly. But after this it kinda went downhill, her txts were brief and short and she took a long time to respond to each txt.

The topic was about work study and I asked her to ask her friend how it was. And what he did there. So I guess it was either from what I did when we met up or that it was a boring topic and she only responded as fast as the person she was asking.


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Connected with a girl a while back. Their was some drama and we havent talked in a couple months. she texted me last night. We went back and fourth all day pretty light and funny. I used c/f and p/p. I started to joke with her about her being my sugar momma and it ended like this
Her-ur so nice to cook me dinner...what a gentleman
Me-Woh slow down princess im not that easy, u gota work for that. U woman are such predators i swear...
Her-What happend to chivalry?. :( poo.
Me-so u want a gentleman?
Her-I dnt want to be treated like dirt again lol so I guess yep
Me-Jeez ur asking alot here . u want me to be a gentleman and cook? U had better get that cable asap lol(i had told her earlier it wouldnt work out if she doesnt have cable)
Her-lmao

Not sure where to go from here i dont want to bombared her with quiz like ?'s. Any ideas?


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actually I think its a hopeless cause, im gonna move on lol
thanks anyways


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Wow drapper! You started to misinterset my words to win? But you are busted
when i said personel space i did not mean emotional personel space. You are so stupid that you dont even know that there are three types of personel space
1. Physical
2. Emotional (could also be called verbal)
3. Time depentdent (how much time you spend with her. She needs time to do some of her life related tasks)

and i hinted that i am talking about time when i said,"let her breathe"
are you blind drapper or are you really so stupid?
And yes i made assumptions about all the possible scanerious and guided him so that whatever it is, he can handle.
You are such a big loser drapper and i dont care whether you reply or not. You have zero game and misguide people and in short you are worth nothing.I would keep proving it to you and every whenever you write anything.
Cheers!
Khuram
Well, again, you just want to prove to every single member of this forum, how incredibly short on brain matter and how big of a PU robot you are. :?

So, here's the wikipedia article on personal space :

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Personal_space

And then, here's one on personal boundaries :

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Personal_boundaries

Here's another one about Proxemics :

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proxemics

As, you can see the "types" of personal space you lined out, they do not exist. But, maybe in your La La Land, they do. Hey, I'm sure you're the biggest honkin' PUA that ever lived ,in your head. :wink: :lol:

Now, I am not going to further this meaningless discussion. Clear your basics, STOP reading so much about PUA techniques that you have nothing else to discuss. Again, I am not attacking you. I am just telling you that Pick Up Artistry is not the aim of life, don't elevate it to a level as such.

While I may have been quite harsh on you, in the past, I do understand that that was not the way to go.

We accept you on this forum. :)


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actually I think its a hopeless cause, im gonna move on lol
thanks anyways
Well, I'll say "RESET" is the switch to press.

For a few days, be polite but formal to her, but do not invest too much into her or the relationship.

Find some other girls and focus your attention elsewhere, then, when you have some perspective you can go back to this girl and give it another shot, if you really want to i.e.

Good luck. And thanks for thinking of me.


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Connected with a girl a while back. Their was some drama and we havent talked in a couple months. she texted me last night. We went back and fourth all day pretty light and funny. I used c/f and p/p. I started to joke with her about her being my sugar momma and it ended like this
Her-ur so nice to cook me dinner...what a gentleman
Me-Woh slow down princess im not that easy, u gota work for that. U woman are such predators i swear...
Her-What happend to chivalry?. :( poo.
Me-so u want a gentleman?
Her-I dnt want to be treated like dirt again lol so I guess yep
Me-Jeez ur asking alot here . u want me to be a gentleman and cook? U had better get that cable asap lol(i had told her earlier it wouldnt work out if she doesnt have cable)
Her-lmao

Not sure where to go from here i dont want to bombared her with quiz like ?'s. Any ideas?
Well, you seem to be handling it fine from what little I've read so far.

Now, you need to focus on rapid comfort building and setting up the logistics for a date and eventually, have sex with her. Do not waste time.

I repeat, DO NOT waste time.

Anyway, firstly, get her to open up more to you, ask her about her past.. ASK don't FORCE her. Be interested (or act interested) in what she has to say, and she will open up. Hell, even give her a little tidbit from your past to make her feel comfortable in the whole sharing and caring session.

Then, when you feel it's right, ask her out for drinks or a date or whatever. There are plenty of ideas for dates other than the boring dinner and movie cliche. Look them up. Take her out, kino escalate with her.

If you want a basic idea of escalation process, go refer the DiCarlo Escalation Ladder, it's a pdf and it's free on his site.

Be determined. Make it quick. Because, the way I see it, every time we delay closing a girl, we start over-investing in her, and start losing our perspective somewhere along the way. You don't want to fall in that trap.

Good luck. :)


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Thanks for the help again don, but I ended up telling her:
Hey, I feel like I have annoyed you or scared you. Feels like there's negative tension.

I'd just like to apologize because i'm pretty sure you felt like I was coming onto you.

Its how I perceived it anyways so ill keep this at a professional level, hw pal. I will however extend the same gratitude you have offered me by helping you out if you have any problems. (Trust me, I'm pro at helping ppl out, speak to my previous clients)

Also I wouldn't care to say all this usually but ur pretty cool person. So I just wanted to get it off my chest before I made it worse.

And turns out she just started seeing one that's been after her for a few years so that's why she kinda closed down on me. I don't wanna ruin what she has goin so I'm just gonna step out of it. But she appreciated that I shared this and stuff.


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Thanks for the help again don, but I ended up telling her:
Hey, I feel like I have annoyed you or scared you. Feels like there's negative tension.

I'd just like to apologize because i'm pretty sure you felt like I was coming onto you.

Its how I perceived it anyways so ill keep this at a professional level, hw pal. I will however extend the same gratitude you have offered me by helping you out if you have any problems. (Trust me, I'm pro at helping ppl out, speak to my previous clients)

Also I wouldn't care to say all this usually but ur pretty cool person. So I just wanted to get it off my chest before I made it worse.

And turns out she just started seeing one that's been after her for a few years so that's why she kinda closed down on me. I don't wanna ruin what she has goin so I'm just gonna step out of it. But she appreciated that I shared this and stuff.
I guess, in retrospect, it was the only thing that could've been done. I don't condone breaking relationships either. :)

The way you handled it deserves appreciation. Well done.

Looking forward to hearing from your side again.


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