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Tromz: i didnt want to make it about one girl, but rather something that could be addressed throughout a variety of situations. thanks for the input though, much appreciated.
I don't think I made it about one girl either. I mean I can see how you'd think that because I said "She" instead of they or them or whatever but I was referring to girls in general. But either way, if a girl firmly says no and you continue to escalate it's borderline rape. I'm sure there are a few exceptions to this rule but again I think it's risky. It doesn't really matter how many girls we're talking about here a fact is a fact. Now regarding what mad.genius said, it has potential. If a girl has trust issues, getting her to trust you will be difficult but very rewarding in the end. However, (and you can choose to ignore this if you want, but I have my moral codes and take any chance I get to spread them,) if they have trust issues and you win their trust, then you "Nail and Bail," that could be some pretty traumatic shit for them. "Leave them in a better condition then you found them." Either way though good luck.