Hey, I went to my first club tonight AFTER learning about PUA techniques.

Anyway, I was w/ my friend (a wing) and him or me (we would alternate) would approach a set and say

M = Me
H = Him

M - Hey, can I ask for your opinion for a quick second? I saw my friend's girlfriend (points to friend) kiss and make out with another guy, she then went to my friend and asked him to dance with her like nothing happen, what do you think he should do?

The girls would then say dump her, get a new gf, etc, and I would call them out saying I don't believe your that good, you are at a party after all etc, they would laugh, etc etc, If I saw one of their friends left out in the conversation I would ask for their opinion on it so everyone would engage.

H - But i've known her for a while, I mean we are at a party, it's bound to happen, should I really just dump her.

Then the girls would say, yes, blah,etc.

After that, we didn't know how we could move on to another thread or how we could take it from Point A to Point B so we always ended up just saying well Thanks (what's your name) for your opinion, we will get going, and from there on thats it, even though the girls would be interested in us after the conversation.

Using the above opener, how would we then shift from one conversation to another, we always seemed forced to just end it off saying thanks for your opinion (since thats why we were talking to them in the first place)

You should keep them engaged by doin a routine or a little game. After a few routines you should be set, everything should flow smoothly.

I posted this respond to someone with transitioning problems recently... Hope it can help:

A specific transition could be like this (I like this one myself): You are all discussing the opener and then you cut them of by saying: "You know what... I just realized that you have very similar smiles/whatever - you must be good friends with each other". Since they are together they will most likely agree on this. Then you go: "One of my friends studies psychology and he showed me how to perform this cool test. It can determine whether two people are good friends and it is right 99% of the time". If you deliver with some enthusiasm they will ask you to perform it for them and then you do the best friends test.

Best of luck

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hollywoodinpa on The Transition to Natural Game:

the-transition-to-natural-game-vt15880.html

Since I often said to the girls you are lying, I don't trust your word, etc, I can always go into the lie routine, maybe go into 1 or 2 more then try to k-close then n-close if I can get that done on my 2nd sarge I'll be good, cuz I'll notice an improvement.

I think this highlights the weakness of the canned opener. I know they work for lots of people, and I say more power to you. But they also tend to fizzle, and you have to jump to the next routine, and the next.

Anyway, if this is the route you choose, you definitely need more material.

good luck.

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look at what they are wearing. be very observant and see things about them. from that you can say stuff like "hey! i like your shirt. i think i saw someone else in here with that exact same shirt on" or "jeez... you have long nails! (then to her friends) is she violent? i would not want to be on the other end of those claws" or "nice nails. are they real?". get her talking about herself and trying to qualify why she wears stuff. after a few of those, think of stories that you can say off of her responses that will demonstrate that you have a life, are pre-selected, etc (dhv). "my ex had nails like those all the time. she was a gorgeous girl but if i even pissed her off she would attack me with those claws of hers. it just makes me cautious of girls like you". just have this stuff come naturally and off the top of your head. try to stay away from canned stuff or strict canned stuff. like use stuff you have heard before like the nails thing but work it differently to open up more talking points

Okay guys, I think I know how I can move forward with this opener. I know I can get a #-close if I do this correctly, and maybe even if a K-Close but with what I have in mind I don't see that I can get much further then that (unless I meet them again in the same spot and come back saying what's up, you seem bored, lets get outta here, etc)

I think you're relying too heavily on routines and canned material. You need to work on your "natural Game" so you can just talk to them. Have a conversation. Listen to what they are saying, pick up on the feelings, emotions, themes behind what they say and respond to that.

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