Make sure you keep her attracted and don't let her get too comfortable. The reason why you usually end up in LJBF, is because you are making her so comfortable, that she thinks you're a great friend. You need to sense when she's getting comfy, and then use that time, to say something risky, so that you use the sexual tension, to keep her feeling uncomfortable enough to not think of you as a friend, but as a mystery.

For instance, my roomate's friend was here for a few nights, along with his gf. He was obviously an afc and I could see he wasn't doing enough kino, or keeping her on her toes enough to keep it exciting for her, so I was just alpha and busted her balls on stuff, when other people would just say, "Oh, girls first and she's the only girl..." I'd say, "Fuck that, we do rock, paper, scissors to see who goes first! House rules boys!" She was getting like putty. I was getting all her attention and her bf was just an after thought. When I would be nice and get her thinking I was a really generous guy, I walked by and because she was sitting on the edge of a chair, because my juggling balls were on it and said something like:

Me:"You don't have to sit on those balls, you know." Like I was making fun of her for being silly.
Me: "Unless you like sitting on them..."
Can't remember how it ended up there, but she said something about sitting on them later and so I said, "You gonna do a ping-pong trick?"

Hopefully you know about the ping-pong thing.... Basically you just need to do lots of push-pull. You push her away with a backhanded comliment, and you pull her in by DHVing, or finding something you guys have in common, then you create sexual tension, which is pushing and pulling at the same time kinda, hence the tension, by making bold statements like above.

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~ Rye

Thanks man. I'll get right on that. I appreciate it.
-Titan

Personal question

Are you privy to routine game or natural game, or maybe a little bit of both?
Also have you ever used ross jeffries material?

If I understand the question right, you're asking if I run my game naturally, or if I use "technology", canned openers, canned routines like the cube and such?

If that's what you're asking, then the answer is, I read the material, I figure out how it works, why it works, the underlying psychology of it (I'm planning on being a psychologist) and then instead of using canned stuff, I just incorporate things into my game that does similar stuff. Its not an exact science and I'm still working on becoming a true PUA, but this feels so much more natural to me and I don't feel silly by using the same routines and openers all tht time.

I am working on making some canned material of my own, for personal use when I can't think up something on the spot and I do like using opinion openers, but instead of using them as an opener, I make them into a routine, it makes much more sense if you look at it from a conversational standpoint. If some guy randomly walks up and asks your opinion, you are kinda confused and takes your brain a minute to really get into it. If he opens with something situation and puts you at ease and just acts like a nice guy, then asks you for your opinion while you're talking, then you feel much more comfortable giving it and you actually pay attention to the question more, so it hooks them better. Instead of wasting a good one to start the convo, make it a focal point.

I don't endorse Ross Jeffries at all. He is very talented, but I'm not willing to sacrifice my ethics in order to get women easier. I consider a lot of the techniques he uses, to be very similar to giving a girl GHB (the date rape drug). Think about it for a second and maybe you can see the similarities, but if not and you want to use it, great, I hope it works for you, I just can't give any advice on the subject unfortunately.

NLP on the other hand, is not Ross Jeffries material, it is what he has based his material on. Took me a little bit to accept this, because I was so putt off by what I read of him in The Game and didn't want to go that route, but NLP is very powerful like he says, but it can be used in perfectly ways that I find perfectly ethical. When phrasing things, you use terms that if examined would be called sexual innuendo, but because it is said so normally, it goes mostly unnoticed, aside from the subconscious picking it up and making them think you're daring and intriguing, but not knowing why exactly and that makes them even more interested. There are tons of applications of NLP that I am not only ok with, but that I incorporate into my game and that if I do end up making my own method and write a book or something, there will need to be a large portion dedicated to this.

Hope that answered all your questions, if not let me know.

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I can tell you I was an AFC for a long time and only recently made the switch. Im not going to say I am even close to a mPUA, but im x1000 then I ever was. How long have you been into this whole thing?

I ran into David D's material about 3 years ago I think (I hear this a lot lately) and then I didn't get into it much, cause I'm already C&F and wasn't impressed, plus he never said anything about being a PUA, so I didn't search into it more.

Then this past christmas my roomate came home with The Game, or "the bible" as he called it, when he handed it to me. I tried to get into it for a few months, but even though he brought it into the house, he didn't really try to go anywhere with it, so I pretty much stopped.

Then I went to a music festival in the summer and even though it is like shooting fish in a barrel with a shotgun, I didn't get laid at all. So I decided to really work on it. That was beginning of august and I haven't been able to stop since then. Spent more than a few hundred on accessories to peacock in a fashionable way and books.

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~ Rye

Last night I went the local Elks Club because they have Salsa dancing on weekends. Anyway Salsa is tonight, but I stay, have a beer and I see this HB8(.5). In Missoula most girls aren't much better but whatever. She has on a short white shirt over a clashy black/aquamarine/white spaghetti strap number. I neg her that it looks 80's blah blah blah, I get to a point that I ask if tips go up when the white shirt comes off. As I am walking out the door I smile and say "Maybe if you were a better bartender, you wouldn't need to rely on your looks for better tips (wink)" As I am walking out the door her gay friend made some comment about me never coming back. I was trying to be half-joking, half-flirting. I am going back to apologize because I feel I may have come off as insulting. If not for Salsa I would not care, but, I since I am going back there I am going to be a man a about it and, depending on how she acts, I will apologize because I don't want women to see me as a dick. I guess I don't know how far to go before a girl sees you as annoying, piggish or both. I would like some feedback. Also, Is apologizing the right thing to do?

You need to be a bigger man and appologize. Say you're sorry, you have a bad sense of humour and you're still trying to get a handle on it. If you buy a drink off her, TIP her, like a $5 bill to show that you feel like a dick. Sure, is a major DLV, but you earned it sadly.

In a situation like this, you can joke about her outfit, but if she doesn't smile and/or laugh genuinely, then don't keep pushing, or you end up where you did. The reason why it went so wrong, is because you just went about it wrong. I would have said something like, "Nice! Bringing the 80's back? " Then followed it up with a comment about something that I could wear to fit in. Something like, "Dammit, no one told me it was retro night! Think I should run home and get my blue crushed velvet suit, otherwise we might clash on the dance floor. "

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Hey Rye, thanks a lot. That was my first real Sarge that wasn't at school. I tend to think and act in black & white and am sort of OCD. Moderation and balance have never been easy for me. Up until that point she did not seemed upset, but maybe I was just not catching it anyway. Again many thanks.

No problem man! I used to have a major problem with being too cocky and still have a bit of trouble from time to time. It takes some calibration.

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quick question.. what do you do when agirl flat out calls you ugly?
not in the sense where she comes up to me just to insult me, but like when we're having a conversation and im doing some pua stuff.. and she says something like 'your not that lovable' it usually comes of sounding like a joke, but her body language doesnt seem like shes joking
ive had it happen to me a couple of times. i honestly don't think i'm hideous, i mean i work out and stay healthy etc. but basically, what would you do in that situation

Well, if she says that you're not that lovable, that's different than saying that you're ugly. If she say's the words that you're ugly, then I'd say, "That's ok, cause so are you, broke our mirrors. Sunday morning is every day for all I care. I'm not scared. Light my candles in a daze, cause I found god..." and just get into it, start singing. That's Lithium by Nirvana for any of you out there unfamiliar with the classics. When you're done, you just go, "where were we? I got sidetracked." then direct the conversation where you want. Hopefully gets a giggle, if not, then just don't care, you're alpha, you've taken control of the frame at any rate.

If she says you're not all that lovable, then you have to make some sort of joke about how you're soft and cuddly just like a stuffed animal and those are pretty damned lovable. Something like that. Make light of it.

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lol, nice ill do that next time it happens.
but yea, ive had someone straight out tell me i was ugly before.
interestingly enough, when that girl told me i wasnt lovable, i was like but i am rather cuddly.. and i hugged her and stuff

Situation - I've been working on an older woman (HB8) for a bit and shes given me tons and tons of IOI's, calls me at least 2 times per day, and let me touch her anywhere except breasts and crotch. One of my friends was a good friend of hers before we had ever met. He let me in on how she felt towards me a little earlier and to make a long story short, she thinks I've shown too much interest and that I want a LTR with her. I don't.

Question - Is this set dead or can I start negging/showing disinterest in her to get things where they need to be?

Ok, I am a little confused with negging. Is a neg supposed to be something that can be seen as negative but is delivered and disguised as a compliment, like 'You'd look really good with your hair down,' (Implying that she doesn't look good now) or something that is clearly negative but said in a playful way that she knows you don't mean it or something to genuinely bring a girl down a notch to make her feel that she needs to raise herself up in your eyes?

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