And you talk about other people having huge ass egos. My God, BB. Ok, for the record, I did not start this flame war with you, but I'm ending it. Learn some fucking social skills BB. You are NOT god BB. Live with it. Deal with it. You are not the MFing ruler here. And I don't make ONE quality post, yet I have noobs asking me specifically for advice. You know what? For someone that acts all fucking high and mighty and like you are THE shit, you don't KNOW shit. I have experience that some on here know about but you will never know. And, I don't believe you're ever gonna get the experience that you claim to have. You can't even fucking handle another true alpha male being around. Geez. And you tell me grow the fuck up. Who's the child here??? GROW UP BB.

I have more experience in my fucking pinky that you'll have in the next decade in your whole body. If you only had ANY idea of who you think I am.

Hah played a few years of varsity football, got my share of cuts, bruises, contusions, concussions, dislocations, and freakin' arthritis. Pain tolerance, like anything that goes unused for long, goes down over time.

Thanks for the encouragement friend, I will keep at it and so will you.

Rye Lee---that's the approach I am taking. I don't think I can handle anything more than an approach & eject with HB's 7 and up right now. Hopefully, talking to strangers and forcing myself to stay in convos for long periods of time will help me build up my PUA-muscles.

Tripp---when I read your first post, I thought you meant that BlackBull in fact is a leader, which implied mutual respect. Of course, I don't know too much about the history of members on this board and their current states of diplomatic relations, so I can only judge by what I see right now. But right now, it seems you haven't really contributed anything to helping me overcome my problem. Perhaps your next post will change that fact?

BB---you've provided me with so much help with your initial posts in this thread, I'm throwing non-gay man hugs your way right now. Haven't been to this forum that long, but IMOH it's members like you that make PUAF a lot more approachable and helpful to advice seekers like me

Road, contrary to what some members believe, I don't have something to say about everything. You had already gotten good advice from others, so I didn't have anything further to contribute. If I do, I will in fact contribute. Good luck on your journey.

And, yes, some of us have SERIOUS riffs between us as you can see. Then again, many of us respect each other VERY much also. If you stick around, the divide will become obvious to you. No, I'm not here to cause strife, but to help people.

Tripp, I don't understand. Why come into this thread if you do not have something to contribute in helping me with my problem? To boost your post count? To revive an old argument? I guess I just don't see how this helps anybody, least of all me.

Surely, there must be some glimmer of wisdom, some gleam of game, some sure-fire anecdote that you could share with someone who honestly needs it? You said it yourself, you've got the experience, heck your pinky may just be the most experienced human appendage on this side of the Atlantic. So why not flick something this way to the poor PUAF newb?

P.S. I encourage everyone to post their two cents in this thread. Even if it is only to brag, or bring some self serving attention relating to past social exploits and conquests. Heck, just about anything with content helps at this point.

Road2Alpha, you want the most relevant advice I can give you? Ok. You've already been told this by others in this thread, in different ways too. But, since you asked:

DON'T
GIVE
A
FUCK
WHAT
OTHERS
THINK
OF
YOU...
PERIOD!

When you notice yourself getting nervous, it's probably because you're worried about what they think of you. WHO CARES???? I guarantee you they don't lay awake at night thinking about the impression YOU made on THEM. Instead, they are laying awake at night doing just what YOU are doing, thinking about the impression THEY made on YOU. So, if THEY are so unworried about what impression you made on them, why are YOU so worried about it?

JUST DON'T CARE. IF THEY DON'T LIKE YOU, TOUGH FOR THEM. Not everyone is going to like you. Deal with it. Just don't worry about what they think. Especially if you're meeting them at clubs or bars or something like that, you will probably not even see them again anyway. Some people are regulars at those places, but most people aren't.

There, that's my two cents.

I once slept with the entire Dallas Cowboys Cheerleading Squad, hell of a night...

Ok thats a lie...

But in all seriousness, you say that you don't feel comfortable with HB's7+ with more then opening and ejecting? If thats so PM me and I'll share an excersize with you that I've developed and have begun implementing with some of my "students" (or as I like to call it, the guys I help out)... it pretty much smashes AA into oblivion in 1 day... And gets you used to firing up convo's as well.

Tripp---hey, theres some good material in that last post, I've actually been using it as much as I can in my convos now and it helps. Now not giving a fuck and trying to not give a fuck are two different things, and I'm still in the latter category. Unlike in nightclubs, some people at work will see me again, so subconsciously I do try to make a good impression, and that actually works against me.

Doc---that's correct, and what sucks is I will probably do really good the first few mins then freak out for no reason and eject. Others have observed this as, among other things, a fear of success. Now if I could only get rid of that fear.

Well, Road, I'm sincerely glad my two bits helped you. LOL, I thought they had already been presented, but maybe a slightly different variation helped? Cool if it did.

Ok, now about your fear of success . . . do you seriously have a fear of being perfect? Dude, none of us are perfect. And, you know what? Those HB's that you really want to be with? LMAO . . . if they thought you were perfect, they wouldn't be interested. It's your faults that give them something to hang around for, because they can pick on you with those things. Which in turn gives YOU something to neg them about. So, PLAY UP your faults!

Just don't worry about what they are thinking OF YOU when you are in the midst of talking to them, because they are more worried about how they are looking TO YOU.

I'm getting better at this after only 3 outings. I don't fidget as much in conversations anymore.

A tip to others: actually become interested in what your audience has to say! It helps take your mind off caring about what you think they think you look/sound like.

I thought that was a given, lol.

Well, anyway, good to hear Road2Alpha.

No time for a lengthy post, but I am following a prescription by The Doctor in engaging people at public places by saying hi and asking questions.

I am kind of self centered, so I find that I have to make a conscious effort to fully appreciate and be interested in the answers I get. I have mixed in other good advice from this forum in my field expeditions, such as (trying to) maintain eye contact until the other party breaks it (blink/look away).

Actually talked to a HB8, negging her on her goth outfit, she was giggling and laughing until I attempted a fake takeaway---well not really fake, I was getting some water cause I was so fucking thirsty from talking so much that day, then her male friend/bf came by and fled while I was quenching my thirst thirty meters away.


Doc---you're right, after a few days of this, I am itching for a deeper level of conversation in my sarges. Not just with women, but with people in general.

However, I am having trouble with material. Yes, I'm trying reaaaally hard not to talk about the weather. To be blunt, I need shit to carry a conversation on, and I don't mean patterns either which I use sparingly on the few attractive women.

Advice gentlePUAs?

For one thing, it helps to keep current with popular trends. Girls usually love to talk about the latest gossip.

Here's what I noticed from the rapid exposure to random people over the past week and a half:

More confidence around people in general.
More stamina in conversations...will still get nervous about half the time. Increased resistance against urge to eject on sets.
Increased ability to maintain eye contact, and receive positive reactions from subjects.
Interpreting rejection from subjects as lessons learned instead of failures.
Opening to HB8+ now, progressing through the attraction phases; will work on building comfort/DHV.

Guys, if you're in the same boat I am, PM me for some helpful tips and hints.

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Excellent growth Road2Alpha. I think the "rejection" lesson will be one of the more useful to most guys.

Glad to hear that my AA elimination method worked out for ya!

Now it sounds like your hook on the neverending process of improvement! You just have to find the weakest section of your game and strengthen it until it's a strong section... Wash, Rise, Repeat