hey guys,

i read the david shade eye contact theory yesterday. for those who aren't familiar with it, what he basically says is that men shouldn't stare but lock eye contact with women. from there, it goes two ways: either she is not interested and breaks it (or interested but too shy to keep staring), either she is interested and eventually breaks it by making her move (saying hi, smiling). another part of it is that we shouldn't blink, and shouldn't make a move before she does (which isnt a necessary rule to follow, i mean you can use a good opener and keep locking her eyes...). also, he establishes that women who are walking-standing respond more often to eye contact than those who sit.

so i've tried it today. i often use the train (seat-seat situation), and i planned to lock women's eyes. indeed, none of them kept eye contact with me while sitting. when i was walking, some of them kept it locked until they passed me. yet, none said hi or even smiled. i haven't tried any opener after locking eye contact yet thought.

since we often say the eyes are the reflection of our soul (even on body language materials, it is regularly said that you can fake it but the eyes don't lie), i think that's an interesting part.

so i wondered what were the pua's thoughts, strategies, theories or experiences on the eye contact part. what are the rules you follow? thanks for sharing all that

Eye contact is a great way to control the frame when in a set. And exude alpha male status. In my experiences direct eye contact with strangers will often come off as creepy.

However, if you do lock eyes with a stranger, odds are your going to be the one to have to open and not her. A few hockey player friends of mine use the opener "I know you from somewhere." Which would perfectly in this situation, because it would explain to her why you were staring at her.

Hope this helps,
B-Man

Ps: Try to lock your right eye with her right eye when in a set and match your breathing with hers, this is great for synching up and building rapport with the target.

Its sort of dead now with it being cold so the action isnt as violent(i.e not as much revealing body wise to influence glances/looks).

Uhmmmmm its pretty clear cut man...usually if the girl is open im going to receive some eye contact back, along with a smile or greeting facial expression. Otherwise if shes not i may not even get acknowledge let alone eye contact. Then i think you know the rest after that....

Ummm...I really hope you're smiling when you're lockin eyes!!

And to a certain degree I disagree that you have to make the first move...I don't know how many times I've been opened by women after a nice smile and some good eye contact! On that note though...All the women who have done that have all been a little older than myself. I'm 22 and I would say the ones who opened me were older than 25!

Another thing I've noticed...I call it the OTS(over the shoulder), I'm sure it's already been discussed or posted on here or some where else, but none the less!

Say you're walking in the mall(best results), and you see an HB either stand or walking at you and you try to lock eyes with her..but she shys away for an instant...And you're like ehh...whatever!

Well pay more attention, you should be able to tell if it's her being shy or just not interested.

-If shes shy she'll typically try to turn her focus on something to the opposite side that you are walking, or pretend to get something out of her purse....it's fairly simple to tell if she acknowledged and is initially attracted to you!

-If shes not interested...she'll typically just stare straight forwardand go on with out you!!

Now the topper! Here is where the OTS comes in!! It's kinda a chump move but to me personally I think it shows a lot of confidence, alpha, and it's a pretty straight forward approach! As soon as she walks by or you walk by her just simply crank your head over your shoulder and see if she either looked back at you...stopped to fiddle with something...yada yada yada...

Ok...I know in theory you should open before she passes you...but if you're just starting out with day game I think this is great until you start to get more comfortable.

Leave some feedback on whether it works or not...I'd appreciate it!

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BOATS AND HOES!!!

that's very true! when she quickly breaks eye contact, we should focus on body language right away.

Dude diesel that aint no joke.

ill add an addition. Girls that are posted(bench,table, against a wall etc) up LOVE to take nice glances around(especially if shes talkin with one of her friends). Seen it happen where the girl looks over her shoulder at me and her friend that has her back facing me notices her not paying attention. Then that girl proceeds to turn around to see what her friend was looking at.
You wont notice this unless the girls stop talking or pause, some dont tip off at all like that though(meaning oh well)

So, I know this is an old thread, but it has done wonders for me. Let me tell you.

This weekend I went to this music festival right where I live and thought about searching for some PUA eye contact information. So this thread pops up and mentions David Shade's Eye Contact experiment. Which lead me to his blog (which I can't post cause I'm kinda new, but look it up)

After reading this information I thought, hmm, well, I don't know about this. I'm sure it worked for him and it all makes sense, but I just thought it'd be a so so experiment.
Wrong.
During this weekend I've had a number of HB's saying hi, smiling, giving thumbs up, and best of all, sharing their bag in box wines while doing all the work for me - which lead to 3 numbers from girls I actually want to see again. It worked so good that I've been laughing at how good this technique is. Girls seem to be surrounded by guys who stare and then look away, like little kids... sorry, not kids, more like awkward teenagers, little kids actually look with no problem what so ever at people. So most guys behave like betas when it comes to eye contact. Once a guy actually locks eye contact with women - something happens in them. They feel noticed - without feeling violated, they play the game back and look at you, and from then on it becomes a fun thing to do, who will break contact? Well, some girls will break contact and that's part of the game. This is probably another one of the breakthrough techniques that has lifted my game, and life outlook to a new level. Try it and see the results for yourselves.

One girl HB9 (25) was walking with one female friend and a guy while I was eating my lunch at this patio. Once I noticed her, I locked eyes with her, while still taking bites from my subway. No smile, nothing but focused observation. The girl looked once then looked fast down, then in an instant she looked again and there I still was. She smiled and turned her head as they walked past me, looked ahead to see where her steps were heading and then turned her body all the way toward me to smile big and wave with a thumbs up. I then smiled and raised my glass. She laughed and raised her none existant glass and then they all waved and I continued my lunch. That was how it all started. The day opened itself up like this and it got better but I don't have time to write it all down. Short story, she later came up with a real drink and opened with a "cheers for earlier" comment. Very nice, indeed.

Locking eye contact is key to build strong rapport. Also, if you're an NLP user, it helps you detetcting what is your target's main representation system (visual/auditive/kinesthetic)

I also find it really alpha to lock eye contact since you don't wander your sight on her body (even if she has such a pair ). I guess it's all non-verbal and really powerful technique, and you get used to it. Nowadays, I lock eye contact with everyone I meet. It seems like you understand the other person better (creating a rapport ).

Thank you

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I've also noticed that locking eye contact seems to boost your state. My sticking point, however, is the smile. Somehow, I forget to smile, and I probably come off as interesting/weirdly intense. Maybe I'll do 2 smiling sets in the morning, 8 reps each to practice, lol

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"Thinking outside the box, that's how you get what you've never gotten."

I realized that when I smile first I get not as good results. Sometimes it works well but I tried locking eye contact and I find it a lot more powerful. When you wait for her smile, I think it helps create more excitement because you wait longer and longer. Also, I noticed that the 1st eye contact doesn't mean that much sometimes. The other day I locked eye contact with a girl, she looked away after a second. Then I followed her (there was only one way so there was no choice lol) and she turned back (2nd eye contact), again (3rd eye contact), again (4th eye contact), and at the 5th one she giggled and gave me a sexy smile. It's way more fun to wait I think Smile. Then we separated ( I had to wait for my family, blabla...). I met her again up the mountain and we continued the same game haha. I couldn't speak the language of the country so I never talked to her, sadly lol.

I find this thing so powerful

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Absolutely. The key point of David Shade's technique is NOT to be the first to smile. This detail makes everything easier, since you don't have to worry about any awkward flirtatious smiles, winks or whatever most failed attempt are based on. Once she smiles, you smile back. It works a lot better.

Of course, some girls won't mind you breaking a smile first, but from Shade's and my own experience it's a lot better to let her do it first.

Your locking eyes is already doing the majority of the work, she acknowledges that effort and happily does the rest. Doing all the work will often just lower your value.