Chief's Guide to Outer Game Part II



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Before you reply to this, I highly recommend you read Part 1 of my guide and to also FIELD TEST shit before posting about it. This is Part 2, meaning that it is assumed that the reader has read and applied Part 1.
As an initial matter... First, I'm not sure why you assumed I had not read Part 1; of course I did. Why would anyone read Part II of a message before reading Part I? Shit, nm, there are a lot of ADD mofos out there so anything is possible I suppose. Second, and more importantly, I disagree that someone should always "FIELD TEST shit before posting about it" because what that effectively does is shut out healthy debate and questions one might have behind the theory as to how/why something works before they go out and blindly try something. Honestly, there is nothing wrong with discussing the theory of how and why something works before executing it.

Anyway, with all that said, I did go out there and field test what I learned about 60's teachings. And guess what? It worked... in getting chubby girls to try and kiss me, while more attractive girls looked right back at me with this "why are you staring at me with a smile... are you okay?" look on their face. What's important to stress here is that 60's tactics did not necessarily hurt my chances (except arguably twice) with the better looking girls, but instead it honestly got me nowhere positive with them either . (I'll post some FRs on those interactions soon when i have time).

However, nevermind all this 60 stuff. Your opinions regarding gender rating scales is surprising to me. For example, you said:
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First of all, no matter how much of a pretty boy you are, no matter how much you work out, no matter how many male modeling contracts you get, you will never be as pretty, never as attractive, never as beautiful as a woman. Aside from the fact that the rating scale that we use for women is inaccurate, ego-based bullshit, if men had a rating scale it would not resemble the one we use for women at all. You're making a comparison that just doesn't work.

I'm very sorry that you've been tricked by society and by MM into believing that you need to prove yourself to women just because they are hotter than you. I'm very sorry that you feel almost worthless compared to them and that you need to tell DHV stories to compensate for your lack of a resemblance to Johnny Depp. I'm sorry that the Seduction Community failed to popularize more healthy mindsets and methods based more in what brings us all together as human beings, and instead created more of a divide between men and women with methods that view interactions between men and women as inherently adversarial. On behalf of all that shit, I'm very sorry.
I'll be frank... this is a pile of dung. The rating scales that people use on a daily basis for men and women have nothing else to do (commonly) except for the LOOKS of an individual. And all a rating scale does is provide a simplified system of representing the looks of an individual associated with the percentile of where they standard. For example, when one says a girl or a guy is a "7" they merely are trying to say that that person is more attractive than say, for example, 90% of the population.
nope it is subjective, i precieve the rating scale as 5 = 50th percentile, 6= 60th percentile and so on with a 10 being perfect, obviously only jessica alba qualifies


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Pumpington, you are absolutely right. A rating scale is totally subjective... for you 70% is a "7," 85% is an "8.5" etc.

However, the main point of my post was that Chief thinks men and women cannot be both given numbers to quantify their beauty, whereas I think they can.

Women (like men) routinely compare men to one another based on looks alone and by doing so when they say, "That 'hot' guy over there is totally a 9" that simply means that 'hot' and '9' equate to a man that is, for example, more attractive on average than 99% men at large in the population.


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lol chief .. i don't agree 100 %

its should be ': use a condom and let nature take over ... not the other way around lol

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Pumpington, you are absolutely right. A rating scale is totally subjective... for you 70% is a "7," 85% is an "8.5" etc.

However, the main point of my post was that Chief thinks men and women cannot be both given numbers to quantify their beauty, whereas I think they can.

Women (like men) routinely compare men to one another based on looks alone and by doing so when they say, "That 'hot' guy over there is totally a 9" that simply means that 'hot' and '9' equate to a man that is, for example, more attractive on average than 99% men at large in the population.
I tried to find the articles I read about this before, but I couldn't, so I'll just have to paraphrase by memory.

Essentially, you can say that it is fair for men to judge women's looks on a 1-10 rating scale. For men, a woman's looks are 1. very important and 2. comparatively objective although varying tastes may throw this scale off sometimes.

For women, on the other hand, a man's looks 1. don't affect a woman as much as a woman's looks affect a man and 2. are comparatively too subjective to use anything resembling a universal rating scale. Example: Take any top rated (by looks) male celebrity like Ryan Reynolds, for instance. He was rated as the sexiest man of some year by some magazine. Many women might say that he is fucking hot and looks absolutely gorgeous. At the same time, many women will say that he looks UGLY.

Now, take any top rated female celebrity like Megan Fox. I have never heard of any straight man alive who wouldn't want to fuck the shit out of her.

Again, this is all supported by scientific research and I regret that I couldn't re-find the links to the articles about this. The fact of the matter is, though, the same rating scale simply cannot work for both men and women.

More science suggests that women perceive men as more or less attractive by many many other factors besides his looks. The same man with the same looks can be perceived as more PHYSICALLY attractive if he is surrounded by women (preselection), for instance. This is because women backwards-rationalize the higher level of attraction they feel for a man as something easier to understand (looks).

Aside from the science, my own experience has taught me something similar as well. Some women find me very physically attractive initially. Some women, on the other hand, find me very physically UNattractive initially. Women generally wouldn't get such mixed results.


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I actually don't find Megan Fox that appealing, after watching "Jenifer's body".

But I still would.


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Aiken,

If your goal is to get a girl to hop on one leg and harp like a seal, what would be your strategy? Think about this. . . Sure, one method might be to ask her, "Hey, hop on one leg and harp like a seal." - but I'm sure you can think of a few other methods.

Now what if your goal is to hold a girl's hand? Chief's already suggested a few good ideas. . . there are many, many more. This is hardly rocket science. And if she doesn't bite? Go back a step or two (on Chief's flow chart) and start over again. Try a different strategy. If she still doesn't bite? Either you didn't pick a good strategy for this situation or she's not hungry for whatever you're presenting her. Doesn't really matter which at this point, go pick another and follow the flow chart.


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I think its the other way around. Us guys go around saying "oh thats a 9, well i think thats what others would say.".

Us guys are way more into personality and our own type of sexiness more than we let on.

Im speaking from a personal point of view here. Only the other day I thought a girl was amazingly hot and was suprised when my friends weren't interested one bit.

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Chief, I'm beginning to understand you point. I too have noticed exactly what you are talking about. Guys are very, very consistent with one another as to what they deem attractive and girls not so much.

In a way this is very empowering.

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Sticky this bro, salute!

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easy to remember.

good stuff


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This is by far the best model of physical progression I´ve yet seen, and I have seen a lot.

This is right on the money!

However, I do not fully agree with all the concepts in the first part, but that is mostly a matter of taste.

Good job!

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I think looks do matter. To be the best looking guy (if rated on awerage number opinion) in the club gets you attention, people feel better around you and you feel better. First impression is key. A guy that a woman would rate a 10 cant aproach her as a guy who she would rate as a 6 or lower. You have to game a girl based on your looks and character.

What I am not saying is that ugly people cant be with pretty people.

A girls with big perfect tits get 2 numbers up in my rating. So looks are relative.


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I think looks do matter. To be the best looking guy (if rated on awerage number opinion) in the club gets you attention, people feel better around you and you feel better. First impression is key. A guy that a woman would rate a 10 cant aproach her as a guy who she would rate as a 6 or lower. You have to game a girl based on your looks and character.

What I am not saying is that ugly people cant be with pretty people.

A girls with big perfect tits get 2 numbers up in my rating. So looks are relative.
It's hard for a woman to compensate for a lack of good looks. We men judge women very strongly on their looks.

It's a hell of a lot easier for a man to compensate for a lack of good looks and height. Women judge men more holistically.

Let's say a "good-looking" tall guy approaches girl A just by saying "I like you," and she automatically gives him the green light. Maybe an uglier guy might have to take a different approach girl A in order to get the same green light, but it's certainly possible. Where there is a will there is a way.

I'm short Asian guy, so girls didn't really like me so much. I had to compensate by learning pickup, and now I can get girls better than most guys I know. If a handsome guy approaches a girl in the club with just a "hello" and gets a good reaction from her, I can ensure that I get the same good reaction by doing flash game + just saying "hello." (Gambler's "Forcing IOIs" technique might be better than flash game but I'm more experienced with flash game)

Ugly people can definitely be with pretty people.


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If the girl is interested, it's all about escalating: but you gotta recognise the signs. A single kiss on the lips isn't all (learned that the LJBF's way). Does she show interest? ESCALATE!

Also sticky this, many would profit from it.

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