Post a picture of who you think is a HB10 and a hundred guys will get mad at you and say "Fuck no! She's an HB(insert number lower than 10 here)."

I think you've rated some of these women a little harshly, I'd love to see who you think is a HB10!

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would you have even slept with HB8's if it wasn't for their material?

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Granted some of those chicks are busted...whats your idea of a HB8, HB9 and HB10?

All of them may be business men but the methods are simply based on human psychology. All it is simply knowing how to maneuver from one emotional state to the next. I too have read Robert Greenes Art of Seduction and all it is, is seduction in the long term. It really differs very little from Speed Seduction, it's just stretched out a bit.

There could also be a number of reasons to not want to be with a HB9 or 10... One, a lot of them have esteem issues, disloyality, can be extremely flirtateous with guys they like because of such a overinflated confidence. You don't have to be a PUA to know this... just some experience with girls in general. Not to say seduction tactics wont work on them.

If you're not having success with HB9 or 10s, and you are actually trying to go after a number of them... then you clearly aren't learning from your experience in the field. Failures during one experiences shouldn't be repeated much, because simply observing what you did that caused a failed reaction, or how their mindset worked, should cause you to do something about that so that reaction does not come out next time.

It's not magic, it's biologically mechanical; PUA are psychological engineers.

Dude, this post really caught my eye and I just had to read it, but I really don't agree with what you are saying,

Personality DOES contribute to their score, like if they were an HB7 before you met them, once you get to know them, they could be an HB9 due to their personality

Also you said that you have got HB8's using their methods, WHY COMPLAIN !!!

They obviously work if you are getting HB8's using their methods, so how can they be a fraud, and I really do agree with what the other guys are saying, those scores are a bit harsh, the picture of Mystery in his fur coat, the girls in it are both HB7.5's at least

And have you ever considered that, you might have some sticking points with HB9's and HB10's, because you do have to treat them differently when gaming, Mystery said that an HB8 would get one or two negs over a longer period of time, and an HB10 would get three negs within two out of three minutes of conversation

I think you might need to go over some material and evaluate your work when dealing with HB9's and HB10's

Peace,

Troyden

If I would assume I only go for looks and my type is a latina with blue eyes and your type is a blonde with brown eyes, my definition of a HB10 could be quite different from your definition of one. The definition itself is subjective.

Sure, the photos of David D with that ridiculous hat is hilarious, but I think you know what I mean.

Plus, only using several (or only one in David D's case) samples is indeed drawing conclusions from a biased sample base as Mr. Economy said before.

But I think you were trying to get attention with a controversial-like topic everyone replies to. Guess it worked

Yea. Everyone has their own view and opinion on what number a woman rates. I don't rate them by numbers personally. If I am gaming them, then they are beautiful women. I dont think any guy would settle for anyone that they don't find to be physically attractive knowing the stuff we are learning and know.

Ok, first off, dudes, we can stop posting on this thread in reply to what disappointment said, because he doesnt react. i am starting to think that he just threw a rock in the pond to see the rinkles.

to Xtensity:
The art of seduction by Robert Greene is not at all Speed Seduction, in my humble opinion.

I have been thinking about it: the way i see it in pick up is : drop the shit, be more direct and go for what it is you want. That is pickup. you go fast and you dont waste time on people who arent really interested in you at first sight.

Seduction, true seduction is an art. Its manipulative. It is tempting another person into doing your bidding with a sexual result (yeah, this is my own twisted definition of seduction). at its core, it means manipulating somebody into liking you.

I firmly believe that every person can be seduced because every person has a way he/she wants to be seduced.

I believe that, given the right amount of time and effort, any man can seduce any woman. And the art of seduction, by Greene, is an excellent book at that. it is not a book fitted for Pick up. The book tells about true seduction in its own time setting. All you need to do is map it to our society in our own time to see its true potential. it would have been nice to have examples from this time we are in, although i rather not read about the Tiger Wood adventures.

this is my opinion htough, and i am a bit hijacking this thread. Perhaps i should make one separatly.

cheers

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I don't understand what you're saying. You're saying go direct and drop the "bullshit" (which I read as "method") but then you say that every woman can be seduced. You can't seduce every woman without using at least some "bullshit" and HEAVY calibration.

You're also saying not to go after who is not interested in you but that's exactly the opposite from being able to seduce "anyone". A real PUA should be interested in being able to seduce exactly those who are NOT interested in him. If you go only for those who are interested in you - you don't need any skill or to be a PUA.

That's what group theory, push/pull, NLP, calibrated DHV stories, prizing etc is all about - CREATING attraction.

Hm...Mr. Economy. I will get back to you with a better nickname but I like where your head's at!

Anyone who calls himself a "dating coach" and a benefactor helping men become better with women, and takes them to a bar or the street to meet women, you have to wonder what is this person's deal. For one, these dating coaches are often full of BS. They might pick up a girl here and there, but they are not surrounded by admiring women. This "seduce any woman any time" is an urge for power and perhaps it compensates for a lack of confidence in yourself. These gurus and coaches make the insecure men who look up to them feel bad. If you take a nerd who has no female friends and has not dated much, and tell him to go to a bar and approach women, knowing that he is going to get rejected a lot and feel bad afterward, that is a hostile and abusive thing to do. And then blame the poor guy that it was his fault, that the women at the bar or the street rejected him because he is not good enough! Sure some of this dating advice is legit and it works, but that is not a reason to go around being a know it all.

You make good points Phangan.

I make a difference in PU and seduction. PU is where things need to go fast. You look for a balance of mutual interest on first sight/impression and techniques to perhaps increase the interest. I dont believe in 'building attraction'. In the end though, i dont matter you name it. PU = fast, seduction = the time it needs to get the job done.

Its like picking apples. You pick those you can reach, those that look good but are already on the floor. You leave those that hang high in a tree, cause you dont have time nor materials for building a ladder.

Seduction is looking at an apple tree for the largest, biggest apple there is. You look and you figure a way to get it. Sometimes its easy, as it just hangs in front of you, sometimes its unreachable. So you go home and figure out a way to get it. Then you go get it.

that is how i see it. a pick up artist is supposed to go with the flow, directly opening whoever he encounters. Trying to create enough interest to sew a sequel on the encounter. Which doesnt mean that i prefer one over the other. and its not this black and white as life is life, its usually more grey.

This probably sound stupid, but i do make that distinction. Seduction, when properly done, has a much higher success rate imo.

cheers!

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Like the naked leads the blind.
I know I'm selfish, I'm unkind.
Sucker love I always find,
Someone to bruise and leave behind.
placebo - every me, every you

You call these hb 5-6?! WTF, most of them are easily Hb 7-8 in my opinion and with that i also take the girls in my neighbourhood/school and clubs into consideration with my rating of them.

Damm im schocked are those girls in these hotshot Cities like Miami or LA so gorgeus or what?!