Guys, I first want to clarify that I enjoy meeting new wings and going out, however, there are great benefits to sarging alone.

Most of the people starting out are not on the same level. Even when I first joined the community and met a good wing who was just starting to read "The Game" and "Mystery Method" we were on different levels because we've each had different life experiences. He was 21 and a virgin and I was 25 and divorced.

Remember gentleman this is basically for when you first start going out, this is not a Mastery Level recommendation, but should be considered.

Common problems I see when sarging with others:

-You are ready to follow the 3 second rule and open sets, and they are still standing next to the wall fighting AA, and approaching very few sets.

-You are on different skill levels.

-You're mood for the evening is different. One is pumped up and the other is more interested in hanging out than meeting women.

Benefits to Sarging with others:

-Depending on experience, you can use the other person as a wing

-You have someone to encourage you, and keep your head straight

-You also have someone to watch when you're running sets to point out errors like bodylanguage and watch the overall appearance of the group.

-It's sometimes easier to do things with others.

-You are seen with others when you enter a venue.

Benefits to Sarging Alone

-You have no else to blame for your success or failure.

-You tend to learn more, and learn faster.

-You roll from set to set and build social proof with women seeing you talking to multiple types of sets.

-You don't have to worry about your wing making a mistake when you are making your own.

-You don't have to motivate anyone else to sarge only yourself.

-You don't feel the need to check in with the other person.

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If you get blown out of a set, your wing can come in and salvage some social value by talking to you.

If you sarge with friends, you will have the incentive to impress them with your game.

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Yeah you pretty much have to get on your cell phone if you get blown out of a set and you're sarging alone. I find it more enjoyable to go with a friend who will also be opening his own sets, that way you can both hop back and forth between the sets making it easy to merge them, and if one of you gets blown out, you just move to wing your friend's set.

If my wing doesn't want to do any opening, I will open and quickly get my wing involved and locked in a set, and then go start opening more sets. Having my wing locked into a set creates a situational opener I can use anywhere within line of sight.

When I go out, I am usually in company of friends who don`t know about PU society but have good natural game and definitely are not needy. We always have good time, smiling a lot, not caring much about people around us and females find it very amusing so when any of us aproaches (its usually me ), they are very open towards us. Social proof is very important. When you hit that place next time, even alone, you will find it much more easy to aproach and succesfully open with background of socialble person with interesting friends.

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I agree with you guys on the other benefits of going out with friends. What stinks is when you get wings who you have to literally kick them in the seat to open a set. That starts to DLV you because you are associated with him, if you keep hanging around him. The only thing I've found to do is tell them as soon as we hit the door I'm opening sets, and for them to do the same. Then regardless of what they do I'm building my social proof.

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I like to have fun first and foremost. Having a wing with me guarantees some fun. Going out alone may not. Sure you learn more going out alone, but personally I like to have fun.

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I have to say, going it alone DEFINITELY increases the learning curve faster. I sarge alone ALL the time. And I've learned a LOT in a short time. And, I've also learned how to have fun most nights whether things are going good or not.

And, I can build social proof within 5 minutes or less most nights too. Enough social proof to have 9's and 10's attracted, and throwing IOI's my way.

To everyone who sarges alone:

I am a PUA beginner, and for various reasons am forced to sarge alone. I don’t have approach anxiety, but my lack of know how makes me have to stop after the opener (and maybe small canned story, neg and dhv). I cannot hook into sets and build social proof yet.

My problem is that this makes the logistics of sarging really complicated. Realistically, I can hope to make one or two openers per bar. Since I am alone and cannot build the social proof necessary to staying in the bar, I have to leave right away. But since these are just openers (with a small attempt at gaming afterwards), they don’t really amount to very much. To have the impression that I am actually getting ahead and learning, I have to make more than 15 attempts. This can mean like 12 venues.

Is there something wrong with my approach; how do I solve this problem?

My problem basically boils down to being forced to change venues all the time, which is time consuming, frustrating, and makes you lose momentum.

Help, anyone?

Who said anything about changing venues?

Yes you change your actual positioning in the club, but why change your venue all together after a couple of bad conversations.

Sarging alone allows you to be care-free in your conversations. You don't care. You do what you want to do.

I tend to approach during the day, the majority of the time. This is because girl's bitch shield are down and are less resistant to continue a conversation with you.

Sarging alone will help you with your self-confidence most importantly. You can do this all on your own, without the need for your friends gearing you up to approach a girl, or knocking you back after being rejected by one.

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i think you will become more authentic and individual if you sarge alone ... there is al kind of extra social pressure when you got out with friend.

I don't drink which leaves me with no excuses to hang at a bar
I sarge alone which leaves me with no excuses to no approach woman
I always am the only cause in the interaction ... social proof by wingmen don't have anything to do with skill , without social proof and social comfort you will need to learn more about your inner game and external game to get good results.

the point is .. the less excuses you got to not do something the better you will get.

wingmen and other people will only project all these excuses and preferences on you... i had guys telling me blond girls were ugly , that is not very encouraging when you are opening a set with 5 woman. If your wingmen feels like shit they probably project it on you as well.... if you feel like shit you probably project it on them.

if you go out and feel like shit you probably get rejected alot which leaves you with no excuses to not improve yourself.

to me a wingman only makes it easier to choose going out... sometimes i don't know if i want to go out - in this case it's easy to get motivated by another person who wants to go out.

in general going out alone is much better ... wingman only add social pressure and all kinds of shit. The guy who learned to be confident and dominant without social proof is much better and learns faster.

next to my bad grammer i really recommend all people to go out alone....if it's your goal to get better and get new experiences you need to sarge solo.
Don't tell me you suck or anything .. the first time i ever gone to clubs was also the first time i sarged solo.... i had only 2 friends and neither of them liked going out. I was suffering from a psychological depression and still got good results sarging solo....

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I used to go out with a very good friend of mine. He is one of my best friend,
but I can not sarge/game with him as my wingman.

He is holding my back: When I say, let's open this set. He would say, let's get drink first. Or when I open a set, he jumps in saying goofy stuff. He always wait till I open a set, and then he joins the set. That is so annoying.

What i do now is, i go out with him to a pub/club, then I leave to sarge alone. Then I come back to have drinks, chat some, and go back sarging alone.

That's very interesting Lodewijkp. Actually, I'm in a similar situation: Not much success with girls up to now but I've read Mystery's book and the Game and would like to try this stuff out. My friends all either have a girlfriend, don't like going out to clubs or would be very bad wingmen for various reasons. Would you suggest just going alone to a club and start using some of the PUA material? I guess that this feels very strange at first, right?
Just out of curiosity: How long did it take you until you had some decent success after starting going to clubs alone? How were your first approaches like?
Would really appreciate some input from you... Thanks!

yes it feels strange at first .. first of all you have to get accustomed to the club enviroment. There is alot of going on .. music .. people jumping around and all these lights , if you never have been to clubs alone it could be a bit of culture shock.

after a while you will notice those girls are only performing the same 3 dancing moves for about 3 hours , some permutations between those 3 exists. 80 % of the people are drunk and have no game at all.... and most woman actually want to get approached why would they go out otherwise ?

It doesn't matter which method you use ... as long you got your psychology and inner game together you can actually do anything you want anywhere. I started out with mystery method - it could help you on your journey , just to get started but in general it's really bad material if you compare it with other stuff available out there.

50 % is just getting over approach anxiety ... 25 % female psychology and pickup game and 25 % having fun ... i solved my anxiety and having fun - this was enough to get most people interested in me.
having no anxiety and having high skilled game doesn't mean anything if you are not having fun , some nights will be hard - there will be nights where you don't have much fun but hey that's life.

My succes over time is very variable .. sometimes i encountered something i had difficulty with but in general :

started with daygame....
week 1 : used some mystery method stuff ( i read the whole book 6 times in one day and wrote everything down ) and gamed a girlfriend first week on college.
first 2 months : tried clubs - nightgame , getting accustomed to club enviroment
scored a new grilfriend
3th and 4th month : getting over approach anxiety
5th and 6th month : open sets consistent
broke up with GF didn't feel like going out which halted my improvement
7th and 8th month : learned to talk with strangers and people in general .. i could have solid and fun interactions with every type of person
9th and 10th month : perfected mid game , trying to specialize in gaming moving sets.
11th and 12th month : worked on body language and innner game
13th and 14th month : got a relationship with a hot HB 10 ... ran through all stages of courtship
15th 16th month : got into inner game and other methods of game
17th 18th month: learned to perfect body language , voice tonality
from 18 th month : broke up with HB, from i here i studied all kinds of psychology and inner game stuff .... dr.phil , anthony robbins, rsd stuff , frued.
took a break for a year to repair some complex issues i created with all this PUA stuff - still studied all kinds of materials and really got into all the david deangelo stuff - studied all his materials.
31th month : could read woman body language consistently ... learned to read subcommunication by other people - knows what woman really think before even meeting them.
32th month : go out all natural .. only with inner game and opened with AFC openers like ''hey you cute '' etc ... got alot of postive results and alot of attractionn.

im now working on my financial life .. career etc .. because i have put all my time in studying social dynamics and bought alot of stuff. in general game just brought me to a new path .. a new purpose in life - i don't feel like going out again , im just back where i started but im more develop and more imporoved ... the whole pua journey i changed in different kinds of personality and identities but now im just myself with better innner game - and alot of jedi mind tricks of course .

The decent succes you can get the first week ... it all depends on your intelligence , the first week i already scored a solid HB 8 by using mystery method only. a friend of me got into game as well - it took him months to get a girlfriend but he is not the most intelligent person out there.

3 things you need to have or at least to develop is : creativity, intelligence the will to take action aka discipline.

i measured my succes factor by 2 things .. the decrease in anxiety and the increase in the ability to make people comfortable around me.
i got over my anxiety the 3th and 4th month .. not by 10 % but by a fulll blown 100% ... i could open everything everywhere.
the 7th and 8th month i could make all people comfortable around me . i really added value to the enviroment. 8 months of game was enough to get the woman i want , i gone out 3 times a week and sometimes 2 times every week. gaming 6 hours every session.......

it's not all easy .. i came off like a fag dozens of times .. i didn't have that many rejections tho - the ones i did have were very harsh '' get the fuck away from me'' and all that stuff.

the first few approaches i did were daygame .. i just visited some shops asking people what gift i should buy for my GF , most people actually responded nice.
first 30 approaches were daygame and actually i had almost no rejections even tho sometimes i came off like a huge fag. it was just opening .. talking for a few minutes and leaving , didn't number closed tho - was too afraid to do so at that time.

first few approaches at clubs in nightgame were terrible ... people didn't hear what i was saying because i wasn't accustomed to the loud music , often i beta myself out because of this one factor alone. the approach anxiety was horrible because i also had to get accustomed to the club enviroment... the first 10 club-approaches i was shaking on my legs , i literally felt physical pain because of my psychological pressure. but after i woke up the next day i realized that nothing bad happened.. everything was fine.

the second night i gone out people didn't recognized me anymore , woman whom rejected me and woman which i talked to didn't even remember me. this was huge because i realized i could do alot of stuff without getting alot of consequences .. no ridicule in normal life and that kind of stuff - people are drunk anyway.

i even got approached by hot girls ... HB 10 and so forth just because they seen me going out alone approaching all these woman , alot of times woman are standing next to you sending of proximity IOI's they want to to initiate but because you are focussing to much on approaching you won't notice.

The highest succes rating i had were on the streets .. just in front of clubs... opening moving sets was really easy, the only difficult thing about is that you have only 1 second to approach - you cannot stall for 3 seconds. You have to come in with the same energy level of the sets you are approaching , if they are dancing around all drunk you have to get excited as well.

going out with friends is terrible ... i have one cool friend that doesn't want to game woman but he does encourages everything i do , he encourages me to talk to woman , to have fun and he doesn't mind if i leave the club with a girl. guys like this are great ... here and there i have gone out with wingman but those game sessions were terrible , it just adds all kinds of extra presurre. most of my wingmen didn't like certain clubs some didn't like gaming on the streets - i met some who didn't like talking to guys. going out with wingmen halted my own personal progression , this day if i go out with someone i will go to a different club than them ... we just meet up at the end of the night and call it a day.

your friends and ''wingmen'' know this particular side of your personality .. they know you like a chode or afc guy - the person you are before you start gaming. All your friends will always try to put you in this afc- personality because that is how they know you , it is better to have friends which encourage you to get more confident - open minded people.

moral of the story .. go out alone ... going out with guys from RSD and other cool people is ok those kind of people are very rare. However you are better off in general by going out alone because you improve 200 % faster , friends and other ''bandages'' only give you excuses to not do something... stay clear of such things. You need to create the ability to generate your own confidence - don't use other people for such thing..... don't hookup with a bunch of guys in the club... the chode magnet lol ..

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When you're out by yourself, your body language and state have to be rock solid, because women have a sixth sense for a guy who's out by himself and on the pull.

Personally, I notice I get much more IOI traffic when I'm with other people, because I'm much less threatening. When I'm out by myself, women tend to avoid eye contact, and I've learned to not even seek it, especially as I'm walking in the venue. I go straight to the bar, order a drink and have some friendly chit-chat with the hired guns. A little dash of social proof so I don't look like I'm too much of a lurker.

Then I might whip out a book or a notepad and completely absorb myself in it. I'll check my watch and check the door from time to time, as if I'm waiting for someone. Again, resisting the urge to look around too much. You must show that you're COMPLETELY at ease with your solo status. In this way, you can turn insecurity into confidence.

Add up all these little ingredients and you've created just enough mystery to where women are curious what your deal is. So it's not long before a 7 or 8 (who are always more aggressive) will "accidentally" brush up against me while she's ordering her drink, and say "excuse me." That's an invitation for me to ask how her night's going and for her to then ask what I'm doing. I'll usually tell her I'm waiting for a friend, who's always late. Or I'll tell her I'm a writer and I get my best ideas when I'm out in a club. Or if I'm feeling playful, I'm an undercover agent on a stakeout, and this happens to be the favorite club of a notorious gangster. While talking to her, I'll try to see if there are other prospects in the bar, because they're probably watching this interaction for clues about what my deal is. Good opportunity to force IOIs and set up an approach.

If I don't like the girl who opened me, or if I don't like the other prospects in the place, then I'll pretend to get a text with a change of venue, and then I'll excuse myself. I tend to get compliments on my looks / style, so I'm not sure this zen approach to game would work for everybody. But it's a pretty fun, low-stress option for me.

One thing that helps me to get in state if I'm sarging alone is to imagine all the movie characters who go to nightclubs solo. Seriously, if it doesn't make James Bond queasy and insecure then it shouldn't make you that way, either.

Thank you so much Lodewijkp. This is really a great motivation for me.
Just out of interest. Do you recall how exactly you approached her? Not that I want to immitate every step of yours, but I'm always looking for inspiration
Yesterday I went out and wanted to try some stuff, but the approach anxiety got me. Nevertheless, I think I could learn something and will be better next time.