I wanted to speak on this earlier but decided to hold back, but your post really hit a nerve and I think it needs to be brought up.

"How hot do girls who you think you can get need to be, for you to feel like you're being true to yourself?"

That's a mouthful, so read it back more slowly if you have to. Hell it was hard for me to keep up with writing it, and I know the idea this is about.

Okay, when I first hit the clubs at 22-23, I felt I was fucking myself over and kicking myself in the teeth for NOT approaching any magazine-cover-looking girl I saw.

"This is what I deserve" I thought to myself.

I'll admit, even within the past year, talking to, and making fairly good progress with girls who were more "plain Janes" or nothing extraordinary, I felt BAD, deep to the core, like I wasn't fulfilling my true potential, and that I deserve a cover model, that's who I am, that's me, I know how cool and smart I am, I deserve a really pretty girl!"

I got with a thicker girl, who was still cute and had a pretty cool personality, and those feelings were compounded.

Is it social conditioning that teaches us this is what we deserve?

You turn on the TV and see a commercial for a blender, where a 6' 4" cool GQ dude is walking through a mall with a runway model on his arm, and they stop at this little store and talk to the sales girl about how cool this blender is, etc. etc.

And it makes you think, "Well fuck, this is normal! Yeah, those are average people out there, this is what I should be able to get! Fuck!!!!"

See a recent post of mine where I raised the issue of "is this settling?" with a girl I was dating.

So the question then, is, "How hot do you deserve?" / "How hot do you need to stick with to feel you're being true to yourself as a human being?"

I'll be the first to say, I really don't know the answer to that.

Commenters to my post said stuff along the lines of "If you like her, she likes you etc. you'll find that the term 'settling' is replaced by 'happily-ever-after'"

Well, yeah, and that can be taken to the extreme. You can dismiss all norms, etc. and get into an exclusive relationship with a 300 pound, morbidly obese girl, who you might fall in love with.

That can happen, yes, but I probably wouldn't.

I think this issue of "how low do you go" is really more a thing that each guy is going to have to figure out on his own. Sooner or later you're gonna stop having one night stands from bars, and you'll get into an LTR which may or may not lead to marriage.

By then, will she be a cover-model? Would you be cool if she wasn't?

That's all I can really add right now; feel free to let me know your thoughts. This issue of "settling" is PARAMOUNT, and not often discussed in the community.

Sorry i dont get how my post go against what you say. If oneself has to find wich is the kind of woman he would have a LTR. Then my view is as valid as anyone for what i understood.

for me it would bother me, but again that just me (is a pride thing, more than anything else).

If you feel you need to have the tall, golden trophy to hold up for everyone like, "Yeah! See? This is what I can get you mother fuckers! Now you'll understand my worth!"....

...and you feel you need that as a pride thing, then by all means do it.

But just understand that you'll probably NEVER be seen as that shopping mall TV commercial couple I described earlier.

Close friends, acquaintences and maybe relatives will think, "..Hmmm..alright then."

The rest of the population won't give a shit.

What i do, i do it for me. Dont really care about what other people think, personal pride means i have the golde trophy to hold up to myself and tell myself "i got it"

I've got to say, if that's you, and you can get that kind of stuff regularly, and it's what you want and makes you happy, then by all means do it.

It's just that most people inflate their standards to match what they think other people want to see of them, not just for what they want, b/c honestly, that nice girl we've been discusing would satisfy like 80% of us fine, even for an LTR, and whatever others think, we don't give a shit.

It's cool man. I mean in the end you gotta just go after what you want in a girl for the longterm stuff. I was just saying I don't get the fascination with 9's and 10's or why anyone would ONLY APPROACH 9's and 10's. When you start to get in that mindset you start to become weird in my opinion -- like you going out trying to get some sort of trophy -- when really it's not a trophy at all. What constitutes a 10 to one guy can be completely different to another guy and one guys 10 can be another guys 7.

Also once reality sets in and you realize these girls arn't perfect just because they look perfect -- that many have been sexual abused, have sexual disorders, and have severe personality limitations -- it puts things into perspective.

In the end I will (and have) dated 7's who can do themselves up to look like an 8 or 9 -- with down to earth, friendly, fun. cool personalities -- and been way happy with the situation. I've never felt like they arn't "hot enough" for me if we are having fun and enjoying our time together. If a girl turns me on then she turns me on -- then she just has to be fun and interesting to spend time with. That's all I need. What you need may be different and by all means -- go for that.

I forgot to say anyway that those 7's who can be really cute or hot anyway are still a stretch most of the time.

In a lot of towns, like mine, you still have to be the 6" 4' GQ dude, JUST TO GET the 7's.

Of course she said "I slept with him cause i thought he was cute.", wtf else is she supposed to say "Oh i slept with him, cause he has a 9 inch cock.".
You're forgetting an important fact, WHAT GIRLS SAIS AND WHAT SHE THINKS/FEELS/DOES ARE TWO DIFFERENT THINGS.

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I didn't really have time to read all the posts but I STRONGLY FEEL THAT PERSONALITY MEANS VERY LITTLE IF YOU HAVE ENOUGH PRESELECTION 99% of the time. THIS MEANS QUALIFICATION ACTUALLY HAS VERY LITTLE SIGNIFICANCE IF you have enough women around you. AND THIS IS MIND BOGGLING to me because you can be possess qualities opposite of what that woman looks for in a guy but if you have enough pre-selection WOMEN WILL STILL WANT YOU. JUST LIKE APES lol

http://www.mtv.com/videos/disaster-date ... hannelId=1

The SECOND AND THIRD date demonstrates this spot on and the dates stay the whole time. In the FIRST date the man does not have PRE SELECTION and the date leaves 3 minutes early. This may be a generalization but after reading and hearing how important having other women around you is by a handful of mpuas & after this video clip it has really set in. I'm going to start # closing just to do as much entourage game as possible.

The women who are being video taped on a hidden camera will continually give indicators of interest(Touching hair) to guys who are PRE SELECTED. The same guys WHO portray the qualities these women look for LEAST in a man. It's hard for me to wrap my head around it. I know pre-selection is very powerful but I didn't know it can over-ride what a girl looks for in a guy lol



I'm going to post this on my blog so I don't forget this profound realization lol.

Entourage game? Go home with that AFC Adam bullshit that he even admits privately doesn't work. It's all rigged shit that gets you nothing by closing time.

A number close-flake is a flake regardless, whether your intentions were to fuck her or have her come out with you as buddies with a bunch of other girls to act like you're good with the ladies.

If you're unattractive to the girl and she was just a little loose from the alcohol so she gave you her number (usually the case) you WON't get the call-back, no matter what you wanted to do with her.

Tyler: "$1,000 for a table at a club? HAHAHHAAHAA. At first, even me, running RSD, I was about to say, 'Fuck all this game shit.' the way girls were coming up to us and grinding away on us while dancing.' Then it started to set in about an hour into it. Man, you can get a lot of lap dances for $1,000, and that's ABOUT what you're gonna get with that table.

10 minutes...... that's about how long it takes for an average looking guy to level the playing field with a good looking guy. Good looking guys will have a big advantage when it comes to opening, and might even get opened themselves, but you can flip that all around pretty friggen quick if you're good.

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Look, good looks are just another weapon in the arsenal. Some have it, some don't.

It won't take you anywhere on its own. You still have to talk to the girl, build comfort and then, take things from there.

I've personally seen great looking guys getting shot down because once they opened their mouths, they had pretty much nothing to add to the other person's life. Or could do anything to make the other person interested in them.

It's the whole package which makes you "hot" or "great looking". Not how your facial features are arranged.

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you can not let looks limit your beliefs, looks obviously do matter, i like to think of girls as just guys, with ASD who require probable deniablility, beauty is in the eye of the beholder, you ever meet a guy who is really in to fat girls?, he could be good looking himself but he just only wants girls with some chubb, this is the same for girls they go for all kind of looks, muscular guys, pretty boys, chubby cute looking guys, looks do matter and then again they don't you can not allow this to limit your beliefs, no matter what you look like there will be girls out there that find you attractive, the trick is only approach girls who you find attractive, you are as attractive as you are, and thinking a 5-6 (by your standards) will find you anymore attractive then a 9-10 is just a limited belief, but also the guy who goes for what he wants often is more likely to get what he wants, but at the same time i hear this BUT I HAVE THIS GOOD LOOKING FRIEND WHO DOESN'T GET ANY ETC. arguement, then he is just not good looking enough, my best friend used to model, he is fairly shy and is not a leader of men alpha type of guy, if i classed his personality it is extremely beta, everytime we go out, i will pull the girls over and start running my game, no matter what, they start trying to talk to him and ask him questions, almost everytime they say things like omg you are so georgous or something to that affect to him, he has also on several occasions just had girls offer him sex and try to seduce him, one time also 2 girls randomly came over to him and said you're hot would you like to put your face in my boobs?, now this being said, wouldn't it be great to be model georgeous, but we can only have what we were dealt, work on overall self improvement in every aspect and fascit of your life, go to the gym work on your personality, be persistant, think of it if the roles were reversed, if you can make yourself a hotguy 8+ to a girl by hitting the gym and getting a haircut/wearing fresh clothes, then go do those things, if she is more likely to sleep with you due to you being a dominant type of guy but her attraction is based on your looks/social proof, then try to be dominant , go for what you want and try to improve your life