I'm not so sure about that. Weird people turning to PUA can just distort their already different social views. A normal guy will read about AMOG'ing and realise it's not about taking every bit of banter as a threat to your masculinity or trying to challange your state of alpha, but realise it's just basically being comfortable with yourself, and confident. Obviously there is more but I take it you get what I mean.

PUA can teach a weird person the skills needed to seduce women in a club, but on a date you're going to need social skills and not pickup skills, and if someone is mentally ill and not in tune with the world I very much doubt PU would be a great help.

Remember, PUA is just a bunch of unqualified (and often overconfident) people helping people to get women. It doesn't, shouldn't, and never will help people solve massive holes, be in mentally ill or just too weird to be able to form any social connections in their lives - psychiatric help would be better for that.

I agree, those who have weird disorders don't succeed. People who turn to PUA aren't weird or have underlying social deficiencies , they are just sh*t with women (and quite often in most social situations). But that doesn't mean that they have a mental issue, just they suck

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I agree with you to a certain point, but let's face it . . . all of us joined the community for the same reasons. You are right when it comes to the difference between regular pick up and going on dates.

But if you think about it - it's because of the PU that we get dates in the first place. Especially if you're socially uncalibrated and don't know shit about talking to people. You will obviously turn to PU to get a piece of the action. After you've learned pick up, you will start practicing social skills in the sense of dating, and so on.

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Thats fxcked up thanks for sharing , I don't think his method should be knocked aside because of this . When writing his method he probably did it in a stable moment when everything was working for him and so was his method and if he was depressed when he was writing it then who cares depressed people see things for the whole truth a lot more clearly than people with a normal state.

Their are a number of reasons for this to occur and before everyone starts assuming why he did it they should also reflect on the idea that his lifestyle he lived had to come to an end ,he was aging and was having meaningless empty sex " when the cum flows the love goes" as to say . Maybe highlighting the emotional stability and benefits of a LTR .

What ever the case I hope he faces his demons and that society treats him fairly and I hope that Girl can recover .

One good point to come from all this is that its more proof to only take SEDUCTION points from them not SOCIAL and life advice.

But still this is only one incident compared to an entire society....

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I'm not surprised, after hearing stories of him shooting other people/hitting/fighting.

And gunwitch doesn't care about the community, and shouldn't be connected with the community.


This will blow over like everything.



Sucks for gunwitch though

Sucks for the girl he shot even more.

Fucked up thing is, people over on the gunwitch forums dont even seem to think he did anything wrong. Their all defending him and saying how they hope he gets released quickly.

In the entire 6 page thread on his forums, I herd some variation of "wow, I hope Gun will be okay!" a ton of times and not once did I hear someone say the same thing for that poor chick. Talk about a cult with no direction without its leader.

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There's a great podcast featuring the top gurus analyzing all the information on this tragic story. It also features Grandma the Korean PUA and a rare interview with Johnny from PUA Hates.

Download the show at casanova crew com or here http://www.casanovacrew.com/Podcast/ep40.mp3

Shame.

I kinda figured most of this advice was off. I knew there were some crazies through this world of pick up.

I even noticed my own attitude changing towards women. I've recently stepped back, and realized all you have to do is be yourself with confidence.

Never read Gunwitch's model, but that guy...goddamn.

holy shit.

gunwitch looks like ron jeremy after a salvia binge.

His name is GUNwitch after his love of Guns and real witchcraft .

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I feel horrible for the girl. I should start with that.

Who are we really taking advice from in this community? He claimed he was a PUA. But just by looking at a few of his videos and his pictures he clearly didn't have it together. And I know for a fact a guy like that isn't getting beautiful and emotionally attractive women. Maybe a few skanks, but nothing any loser couldn't get. If this is what a PUA guru is, and how the leaders act it makes me doubt the entire community.

Now see, this is the problem right here. You are seriously doubting the entire community over something a pick up guru did that's not "community accepted"? He shot a woman in the face, sure. . . But that has nothing to do with the community as a whole. In fact, that has nothing to do with his own material either! His material still applies. His material still works. It's legit, it can be used. Nothing has changed.

It's too bad how people are going to judge the entire community and start doubting it over this. Sure, none of us expected a pick up guru to do such a terrible act. But on the other hand - gurus are not Gods either. They are human. Human beings can snap anytime, doing crazy shit nobody expected them to do.

I believe this will start opening peoples' eyes to realize that PUA gurus shouldn't be treated any differently than regular "AFC's" or people in general.

Just as much we have no right judging the whole community over this, we have no right looking at gurus as superior in any way.

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I'll be honest here--I would be embarrassed and ashamed to have my name in any way publicly associated with PUA or the seduction "community" (if it can be called that). When the topic of PUA has come up in real life with some of my friends, they are skeptical and suspicious--and with good reason! The women among the group are often afraid of being dehumanized and manipulated. The men are often skeptical that it could actually work, or think it is underhanded and manipulative. Some of the women I know in real life have been raped, abused, manipulated and had their hearts broken by heartless men--men with some of the exact same attitudes as I see posting in seduction forums, and it creeps me the hell out! I make no attempt to defend PUA to them or to anyone. Now I know that not every individual within the PUA world is a heartless bastard, and I will defend an individual if I think that individual needs defending. I will not defend "the community".

I have learned I have to filter everything I encounter in the seduction world and first ask myself "is this ethical?" and think long and hard about the answer. If I thought I could get the same valuable information somewhere else without having to filter though the misogyny, egotism and bigotry first I would leave in a heartbeat. I'm not saying everyone's posts are like this, but enough of it is rampant in "the community" that I feel an intense desire to leave and distance myself from it once I have got out of it what I feel I need to get out of it. I pretty much came here out of desperation after generic dating advice just wasn't working. The PUA world makes me very uncomfortable.

And I don't think I'm the only one here who feels this way.

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A person's character is visible through their behavior, speech, and sometimes appearance. After seeing Gunwitch for who he truly is there is no doubt in my mind he is not qualified to be a leader in any form. Morally or on a purely pragmatic PUA level.

A man like that can not pickup a quality women. The type of women that is beautiful on both a physical and emotional level. The only type of women that would be with him are equally vile. He can get a quality women if he completely and utterly deceives her. People in general and women especially have a sixth sense when it comes to lies. It would be difficult and rare to completely fool a women so his success must be rare, non existent, or he is an excellent liar. I'm not interested in sluts or deception so his method is worthless to me

Gold diggers, sluts, and overall bad women, are after a man's money or just want an attractive man. He can't offer either. I doubt he has any game at all, the only sex he gets is from hookers and if he is REALLY lucky a girl at a club that is alone completely wasted, who no other men are competing for and everyone stands by as he takes advantage of her.

This scum bag is a leader giving relationship advice! There is no one checking if the "leaders" are qualified to give advice or if they are people who have the integrity to lead an organization.

It is because a guy that has no honor or game became a respected pua guru I doubt the integrity and morality of other pua leaders. It is very possible that many other gurus are just as twisted, have no game, and are just con men.
I agree Cogito