The ever-contraversial 'drink' topic.

Now,I dont buy girl drinks(total strangers)-just my way.

But these are the exceptional cases where I would and will buy her a drink.

1)If she's making the seduction easier for me(indirectly).

2)As a challenge.

3)If we're already acquainted:friends,relatives,etc.

I never ran across these tactics yet in the community so Im the pioneer here(lol).

Now,if the target's being a total bitch and not aiding the seduction-no friggin' drinks!

But if she's helping the process,giving genuine IOI's,flirting,managed to land a mini-kiss...,I would buy her a drink as a reward for her good behavior and making my day easier toward an SNL.

So reward her!

Now,if Im at the bar,Im in a super vibrant mood and I have the extra cash,I would use this routine(which I'd came up with on another post,but this has a twist):

Ok,I approach bar,give bartener pat on shoulder for making a good fucking drink,Im chatting shit with ppl.

Lets say there's a 3-4 set beside me.

I'd open(over shoulder):

K-Loc:"Hey guys,Im in a happy mood right now,so Im SPAM a free drink to the girl with the most psychic ability in this group;call me Santa for tonight".

K-Loc:"Ok,so which 1 of yall is most psychic[the girls will point at one another and debate]"?

K-Loc:"Ok,Im thinking of a # from 1 to 10.The girl who gets the closest or actually hit the # Im guessing,is the winner".

Whoever gets it(closest or win),I would give her a congratulatory hug or hand shake,then buy her a drink.

K-Loc:"Santa's done his job for tonight,I gotta get back to North Pole".

Then leave-thats it!

Some guys may ask,whats the point of this routine?

#1,I DHV'd by interacting with the bartender as if we're buddies.So I have a cool/he's ok to talk to vibe.

So when I open the set,Im not just some random -creep weirdo.Im social-friggin' proofed!!!

So the girls are more than likely to go along with the routine.

The fact that I leave after buying drink shows willingness to leave-a DHV.

Before the night's over,I guarantee 1 of thee girls,or even the whole set will re-open me later if they spot me.

They will spot me because I would purposely cross their path later,which it's up to me to re-open them instead.

The girls will say,"Hey it's Santa"!

Then,it's on like Donkey Kong.

I can then zero in on a target.

This' classic-indirect game,which I only use.

I never field tested this routine(since I just made it up),but I can see it working 100%.

Not because the girl's getting free drink.

But because it's a cool/fun routine.

Women are suckers for psychic & ESP routines,like they love Astrology.

Guys,you can substitute the # guessing thing for anything,"Guess which Zodiac sign I am"?

Club game is my thing.

I suck at LTR(which Im in),but social proofing with bars and stuff,Im a wizzard at it!

The willingness to walk away and not hovering around will compell these girls to re-open you later.

It's happened to me all the time when I use canned routines.

So those are the 2 exceptions to me buying drink.

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Hey Moderators,I posted this in miscellaneous section,but I'd appreciate if it's put in a section of routines or something.

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sounds like fun mate.

out tomorrow so if im not too drunk ill give it a try

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@Smoth99-Thanks bro'.

Be the 1st to field test it.

But positive results will only happen if you know how to handle yourself after opning).

It's a simple routine,so I dont see where it can go wrong.

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ill try to do you proud man haha

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Much props bro'.

And the good thing here is that you can substitute and incorporate anything possible,"Guess your Zodiac sign,how old are you,how much cash in your pocket",whatever!

Have fun;Im pretty amped about it.

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Nice job K-Loc

Was at the bar the other day with my buddy. We start talking to two hotties. Within 30 seconds i hear them say "buy us a drink"! I think i actually laughed out loud when i heard this. they then said "we're hot! buy us a drink". My friend just ran to the bar to get them drinks while i continued to game them. In short order i was called an asshole and they left. whoops, guess i owe my bro an apology for letting him waste his money.

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I like the technique. Gotta try it this weekend.

However; I do think like it's quite hardball if they remember you later at the evening. Since if it's a good looking set, they'll get approached like hell with a lot of guys buying them drinks.. it's the Santa thing that will pull it of or not..

I'm really anxious to FT this one!

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I was waiting for you to say the bit in bold, or at least question the place where you did it.

Let me tell you what would happen were you to do this where I live.

If you haven't already been ejected by the bouncer for trying to touch the bartender by leaning over the bar (which is very likely unless you do actually know the guy) then...

- The girls will not give a damn about your astrology/psychic whatever, they'll just prick their ears up at "free drink" and act accordingly to get it.

- Once you leave they'll say "hahaha what a creep; I can't believe that random loser just bought you a drink and then left!"

- They won't recognise you later on in the night because they're drunk; the only likely girl that would is the one who got the free drink and then she'd try and get another one. If she can't see it happening she'll bail on you.

Of course I could be wrong. As it's never been tested we're both just playing Armchair Pickup Artist, but as I guessed correctly that you'd never field tested it I am going to stick with it not working efficiently.

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Please don't take offence, but this
really does seem to be a Get Out Of Jail Free card. It's like saying "you can do anything if you're good enough". It might work once or twice or after a shit load of effort perfecting it, but ask yourself - are there easier ways?
The "if it's simple there are less things that can go wrong" thinking doesn't really work here.

Concur. Non field-tested routines aren't worth the paper they haven't even been written on.

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@Trixta-So the random looser should've stuck around and stalked the girl(s),opposed to rolling off and re-open later?

Try again Trixta.

Before trying to discourage the routine-try it!

And which women you know who isnt into or facinated by Astrology & ESP stuff?

And dont be an idiot Trixta:if one knows the policies of the bar/club,then he wont attempt to tap the bartender.

But that doesnt have to be done;you can simply chat to the bartender as though yall are acquiantance.

9 out of 10 times,he wont refuse to chat a bit since he's trying to sell drinks and get tips.

Trixta,this wont work for you because you're to blind to think that a community guy will let this girl re-open him to beg a drink later on.

I've never field tested this routine but I've field tested many like this,even canned stuff with great success.

All because I rolled off and walked away.

But it seems like Trixta prefers to hound the girls,peck them all night and be a bug.

Which girl would think a guys' weird for doing a routine then walking off like he doesnt care?

Perhaps the chiccs I'd done this to[walk away]and laid them at the end of the night.

So before you knock the routine-try it.

If not,come u with reasonable reasons why you think it wont work!!

You have a weak mentality & frame so this routine wont work for you.

@Blondguy-I repect all your posts.

In fact,I was 1st to nominate you and voted for you in the best-post of the month thingy;so much props.

But you have no point in saying,"because a routine hasnt been field tested it isnt worth..."

Total BS from you Blondguy!

If a routine or opener works 80% of the time for me(great ratio).

You can try it 10 time and it fails all 10 times.

Doent mean the routine isnt worth anything.

You're just not congruent with it.

I know this routine will work for me %100 of the time(eventhough havent tested) because it' not the routine(words)that count,it's what you do afterwards:you stay or leave to preserve value & intrigue to reopen later?

You cannot go wrong with this routine because you're not demanding anything from the girls!!

How can they reject you when you're not asking for anything(#'s,etc).

You're running the routine,then leave to continue gaming others,then re-open them,or they will re-open you.

So WTF is Trixta's solution?

Buy the drink then stay there as if he'd bought the girl with a drink?

Or maybe he would not have bought drink?

Cool-I dont buy drinks neither(never did for girls),but I did state that this would be an exceptional case,where I had the extra cash to waste so WTF!

So guys,Im sorry for being so harsh but if you wanna criticize a routine,state plausibilities and good reasons and not just say it would not work because it wasnt field tested.

Im the king at bar/club game so I know what the hell works!

I dont chase girls in club like loosers.

I throw my routine,then leave!

Knowing that 90% of the times,the set,or a girl from the set WILL re-open me later.

If she doesnt,so what!?

I do routines with like 8 sets,there' bound to be 4 sets or 4 girls who remember me later and will chase me and re-open me.

This' what I do(social-club game) and it works all the time.

I cant count the amount of SNL's I've had from bars & clubs since 2004(when I officially dicovered the community at about age twenty- two).

So guys,dont discredit my shit(unreasonably)until you try it.

It will work for me without even field testing because Im a savage at social game and I can feel when a routine will work or not(for me).

If Blondguy & Trixta need to field test their materials to know if it would work,yall need to have more confidence in your material & selves.

You have to feel it working before you try it in field,and not just trying shit which you have no confidence in.

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P.S.What's fielld tested and works for you,doesnt mean it'll work for me.

And vice versa.

So to automatically discredit a routine because I never field tested it to see if it works for me is BS Blondguy.

So what if I'd field tested it and it works for me all the time?

Does that mean it will work for you too?

Hell no!!!

If a guy sells me a routine and it sound good to me,I can just visualize it working because I feel it was tailor-made for me.

Just because the originator hadnt field tested it doesnt mean Im gonna dismiss it.

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Here is the full quote, will now reply to it in segments.
I didn't say you should stick around and stalk the girl - you said that (straw man). But surely staying with them instead of giving them time to forget you is better.

I also noticed how your tone was a lot more aggressive than my question; are you trying to bash the person rather than bash their reasoning?
I don't know any woman fascinated by it, but of course that's not to say there aren't any. I didn't actually question the astrology stuff so this is irrelevant.
The first two sentences are true I suppose, but 9 times out of 10 he will refuse to chat a bit because he's selling drinks. If I wanted serving and the bar guy was just stood there chatting I'd be ticked off.
Ok, so first you're making an assumption about why this oh so excellent routine won't work for me despite only having read my reasonable questions from the start of this thread.

Secondly, you're saying that I prefer to "hound the girls,peck them all night and be a bug", which you would obviously know (NAT) and which still doesn't answer my reasonble statements whether it's true or not making this attack irrelevant.

"So before you knock the routine-try it." There is a flying teapot orbiting the Earth since the beginning of time. Before you knock it, prove that it isn't there!
I did. It's in my original post which you so far haven't really answered. The fact that it isn't even field tested is a perfectly reasonable reason.
Again, I did. See post above. I'd also love your powers that can instantly judge that I have a weak mentality and frame because I questioned your post.
You can. It might not work.
Considering that I'm questioning your non-field tested method this doesn't really matter; it's your method you should be defending. But the solution would be not to buy the girl a drink.
Yeah, what the fuck! You have extra cash to waste, why not waste your own time too!
Speaks for itself. We have here a true pioneer of PUA; a guy so great who knows what works and what doesn't before it has been field tested. Tell me O Great One, if I were to suddenly get my knob out on the dancefloor to DHV that I just don't give a fuck and start doing windmills with it to show off my various abilities with my dick (insinuation that I am a man of many talents, a further DHV, DING DING DING JACKPOT), would it have women licking me? If so, I will do it tomorrow knowing that when I drop my kegs I will have women all over me because you are the king of bar/club game!
Here's another major flaw. Generally people need to field test materials to see if it actually works, not just if it works in their head.

Do you think the Wright brothers came up with the idea of the airplane and claimed they'd invented it before they'd even built it? No, here's what actually happened.

-They thought of the idea

-They worked on the idea

-They field tested the idea to see if it worked.

I honestly believe this is similar to threads that Fin was referring to in his thread. People are making whimsical threads from the top of their heads, and when so called thread stands up to scrutiny instead of defending it they come up with

-Well what's your solution?

-So instead you would do bla bla bla (insert straw man here)

-Assume that we would rather try things that we don't have any confidence in all the time rather in rather than something that we do feel would work

-Claim that reasonable arguments are not reasonable but instead nonsensical, ludicrous claims against the Wise Words of the "king of bar/club game".

Please tell me what is not reasonable about claiming that something can't be proven to work if it has not been proven to work.
There is a reason why people say "an unwritten contract is not worth the paper it is written on". Because quite literally, it isn't.

When discussing routines in its written form, it makes sense to discuss the quality of the routine over its potential/actual efficacy. There are far too many variables involved in the field to gauge the quality of a routine on the success or failure of a few guys. So, no . . . I don't agree that a routine needs to be field tested to assess its potential. If it's good, it's good.

This ESP/Drink routine is not good. I'll try to be as 'reasonable' as possible:

1. In strong routines, ESP, Astrology, palm reading, cold reads, etc . . . are usually applied to RAISE your value and create a strong rapport between you and the girl. For example, I'll figure out that a girl suffered the death of one of her parents and I'll usually nail the time of her life this occurred within a few years. This act GIVES ME 'reading powers'. It'll show that I care and also hint that I can 'see into her future'. (This typically turns the most aloof, stand-offish girls in to CLING-ON's.)

In K's 'free drink' routine, the girl gains power by figuring out the correct number. Then SHE WINS the prize in the form of a drink. This in turn creates stronger rapport amongst the girls who entered the contest. You have indeed become Santa, the boisterous but 'out of the picture' provider of gifts.
They are suckers for this crap when it's applied correctly. As much as they love this stuff, they'll quickly turn the cold shoulder to the bullshit artist. Blindly tossing this topic out there because 'you think that chicks are suckers for this crap' is a mistake.

2. "The Walk Away": Whether you're buying a fake Rolex in Hong Kong or a new yacht in a boat show, the walk away works ONLY if the following requirements are met:

a. The salesman benefits from the deal you proposed prior to walking away.
b. The salesman believes that his competitor will readily accept that deal when you walk away.

So you walk away with a fat smile on your face because you KNOW the guy is going to call you back. In the World of PU, this means that prior to 'walking away', you'd want to create enough value for yourself so that the girl GAINS from you sticking around. And she has to believe that other girls will most definitely pull everything from their arsenal to keep you around. If these requirements are met . . . walk, walk, walk away.

In this ESP/drink routine, you walk away as the random, bullshit artist ESP guy who has a few more bucks in his wallet on this particular day. Look, the girl won a contest and a free drink. What more could she possibly want out of you? Another contest and another drink?

So let's improve this routine concept.

1. There are many 'spiritual routines' better than this but if you want to stick with a simplified numerical version of 'Wheels of Fortune", then why wouldn't you have them think of numbers and you guess them? If you've read on this topic, you know the number that is most likely to come up.

2. If you really want to 'walk away' without having met the 2 requirements, at the very least throw out the "take away". The take away is the secret weapon of high end retailers: "Oh . . . you're probably right. This ($10,000) pendent is probably not a good fit for you. how about ______? (A shitty looking $2,000 piece). They will actually pull the 10k piece OFF of the cabinet top and put it away just so the customer can say, "Woh, woh . . .no, I want to see that . . ." In PU terms, this means you tell the girls that a few friends are expecting you at a VIP table and you 'take yourself away'. (Works like nuts when they follow your trail to see a bunch of hotties standing up offering you hugs and kisses.)

Stick with the principles that work and every routine you come up with will be better than decent.

Sure, I can visualise me simple walking up to Megan Fox, saying hi and then her jumping me. Still probably isn't going to happen though.

Now lets say it did work - was it because my magical routine of "hi" was so incredibly amazing or was it just because I was CONFIDENT in myself and what I was doing etc etc etc?