So last time I used to irritate girls more than doing good. Lately I've tried to be normal but I still get blown off, what the hell. I got 3 examples to share that have happened to me recently. Could it be because of my profile pic?

Ex. 1) There's a fat girl, HB4, which I requested on facebook. She's in my class and we get along and all. After a few days I told her in person that I requested her and she said she didn't get anything. Then I sent her a message on facebook saying that I requested her. Nothing. Then I told her again in person that she's lying and she said she's not. I then found out she declined my request with this friend detector thing and when I told her in person she denied it and then I told her she's lying because the detector tells me who accepts and who ignores. I then sent her a final message saying, "What is the problem? We get along in class but it turns out you're not very friendly.." She blocked me. Next day I go up to her and tell her why she's such a liar and stuff and told her she's not very friendly and she said, "I know. I'm not very friendly." And I said what's the problem then?? She couldn't come up with anything and I said, "You were lucky a guy would even request you. Two weeks later I nicely ask her what the problem was on facebook and I tell her, "So what was the problem with adding you on facebook? I'm asking nice." She said, "I don't know." I said, "If you don't know then how come you were lying to my face when you could have just said why?" She was speechless.

Ex. 2) I requested another girl who was on my track team last year (we never talked, only looked at eachother). She didn't accept or reject and after a while I sent her a message saying, "you know me, i was on your track team". Few days later she rejected it. Then I sent her another message saying, "I go to your school, we got 1st place at time trials, how could you not recognize my face haha". She sent a message saying, "stop messaging me." Then I sent her a message saying, "you were on my friend's friend list and decided to add you because you're familiar. do you treat all new people like this?" She didn't respond back.

Ex. 3) (me and her used to like each other)
loveyoudia (4:09:48 PM): What
loveyoudia (4:10:01 PM): Lol your retarded sometimes.
Angelo Z (4:10:35 PM): I'm not retarded, I just keep it vague in hopes of you catching on (she always says "what" because i try to stay away from typing a lot)
loveyoudia (4:11:34 PM): Lol
loveyoudia (4:11:43 PM): Its not working
Angelo Z (4:23:06 PM): We'll fix it
loveyoudia (4:26:27 PM): Give me a ride
Angelo Z (4:27:28 PM): You have to sit in the back tho, cops dont let little kids in front
loveyoudia (4:27:58 PM): Okay
Angelo Z (4:28:02 PM): hehe
loveyoudia (4:28:25 PM): Your irritating
loveyoudia (4:28:30 PM): Ill bbl my phones dying.
Angelo Z (4:28:35 PM): what happened to your sense of humor
Angelo Z (9:52:28 PM):
Wtf, I got blocked by 2 of my friends because of my lil bro who got on my account
loveyoudia (9:58:29 PM): Hmph
loveyoudia (9:58:37 PM): Your have friends?
Angelo Z (9:59:05 PM): Ye, do you?
loveyoudia (10:01:53 PM): Nope
loveyoudia (10:02:17 PM): Don't say ye its not cute.
Angelo Z (10:04:30 PM): Dont say what (she always says "what" to me)
Angelo Z (10:05:41 PM): It's not sexy.
loveyoudia (10:07:28 PM): mkay
Angelo Z (10:09:46 PM): It bothers me since long time
loveyoudia (10:10:50 PM): What does
Angelo Z (10:11:22 PM): What
loveyoudia (10:13:11 PM): What
Angelo Z (10:14:10 PM): What did I just say
loveyoudia (10:14:28 PM): What did who say
Angelo Z (10:14:33 PM): Smh..(shaking my head)
loveyoudia (10:14:56 PM): Nyh (no your high)
Angelo Z (10:15:31 PM): Nya
loveyoudia (10:15:48 PM): Yhs
Angelo Z (10:18:00 PM): Shy
loveyoudia (10:20:29 PM): Twy
Angelo Z (10:25:13 PM): What's twy
loveyoudia (10:26:54 PM): None of your buisness
Angelo Z (10:30:03 PM): You said it to me so it's my business
loveyoudia (10:30:53 PM): Nope
loveyoudia (10:31:31 PM): Were lost
loveyoudia (10:31:39 PM): Did you get me something for christmas
Angelo Z (10:31:57 PM): Yes
Angelo Z (10:32:03 PM): I did
loveyoudia (10:32:15 PM): Lol wtf
Angelo Z (10:34:14 PM): What about me
loveyoudia (10:34:34 PM): Nope
loveyoudia (10:34:48 PM): You don't deserve one
Angelo Z (10:38:19 PM): Why not
Angelo Z (10:48:40 PM): Didnt really get you a gift hh
Angelo Z (10:48:53 PM): Something else
loveyoudia (10:50:38 PM): Okay
Angelo Z (11:34:20 PM): Hh then why do you ask
Wednesday, December 15, 2010
Angelo Z (6:10:48 AM): whats wrong babe (she put her status up as "who the fuck cares anymore")
loveyoudia (11:28:01 PM): Do me a favor

Common bro,

i have seen you give much better advice then what you do on facebook. Hell, from all i know about you, you didnt do facebook at all.

It doesnt qualify as gaming. Yeah, i agree, there are things you can do to level up the chances, but its hardly PU or seduction. Facebook is good to keep in touch with people you are familiar with or know pretty good.

Give yourself a relief, stop the asking why it aint working and continue the real PU.

ciao!

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It's so odd, I can see others' situations clearly but not mine

If I was the fat girl I would have sat on you and hoped you got the picture the first time.

2nd girl is a bitch, you should have realized that when she didnt accept you.

3rd girl I dont know what to say, what history do you have...it just looks like playful banter.

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I realized things, I just wanted to push it to hear her out to learn from people. When people judge me or do certain things, I sometimes ask, "Why?" just to hear them out. It's a cool thing one of my friends taught me..to actually learn from people, even if you fail. And after time you won't have to ask why anymore and act accordingly. Turns out 2nd girl has a bf whose my friend. Another friend of mine told me that my profile picture looks like, "Do me hard."

I get the whole player/image thing but girls at this age are so STUPID and immature, it just irritates the fuck out of me. Even if they know you're gaming them and that you're a player and all, they blow you off rudely whereas if I were I girl I would just let the guy believe he's running his game on me and just be friendly without sneakily blowing him off. That's just messed up.

I think it's really cool how you do this thing where you ask about your short comings to people and hear what they have to say. This kind of feedback can be really helpful and you having an attitude which can handle is criticism is even better.

However your generalization about all the girls your age being "stupid" is indicative of a different kind of attitude. One that really won't help you much in my opinion.

Sometimes I go out with guys who are not very good with women and they say... "Fuck bro there are no hott girls here". Meanwhile were in the best club in the city with literally dozens of beautiful women and i have to grab them and turn them all around the club literally pointing out the hott chick that "aren't" here lol.

The reason they do this is not because they don't actually see the hott girls that are all over the club but that it's easier for them to label the situation differently. They almost don't see the hot girls because it's a point of pain for them as they are not man enough to approach them, so they lessen them in their mind. What they mean to say is " there are not any hott girls in here that i feel wouldn't blow me out in a second". But if they say it differently they can still keep there fragile ego going.

It's similar when a guy discounts a girl as a bitch only because he insighted her bitch shield when he poorly hit on her, although she might be a wonderful person.

In my opinion this is what you are doing when you label, all the girls your age as stupid and immature. I dated plenty of women your age that were not this way and i'm sure you've had positive interactions you can think of where that might be real for you.

Basically you should reevalate this mentality in that the way we categorize people or situations can creep into limiting beliefs. Yes the girls tha are younger may not have quite as much depth as a women who is say 30, however there is no reason this should make them any harder to game.

Refocus your energy as you have been on finding what does with these type of "immature" girls as i'm sure there is something. Start by reframing that negative label you have for them as something more positive and you might begin to see something positive in them which is in my opinion essential for establishing a connection. It's hard to do if you think the girl your trying to build comfort with is a stupid bitch..

Keep doing what your doing and taking responsibility your part in the interaction and not putting it on the girl and you will continue to improve and be great.

Best of luck enjoy man.

WHAT?

Nyseto - you need to step back and think about your actions from this perspective:

A. "What would I think if someone said/did this to me?"
B. "What kind of message does saying/doing this send out to people?"
C. "What kind of person says/does this?"
D. "What kind of person do people generally enjoy being around?"
E. "Am I being that kind of person?"

Now, let's try and look through your behaviour with these questions in mind.

1. This is the 4th or 5th time you've posted your profile picture. To me, it seems like you're doing this to seek validation from us. As if you want us to say "oh no, Nyseto you're super super hot! Anyone who's mean to you is just jealous of how hot you are." This kind of behaviour shows deep insecurity and is not attractive to men or women. People do not like hanging out with people who are insecure because it makes them feel uncomfortable. Somebody who is secure about themselves and who they are does not need to ask people "how do I look?" "do you like me?" "why don't you like me?" etc. A confident man simply ASSUMES people will like him. If they don't it's their loss and he doesn't have to deal with them.

2. The UG4 (HB is technically for 5+). Ok, so some ugly fat girl doesn't accept your friend request. There are a million reasons why not. Maybe she's busy, maybe she didn't see it, maybe she wanted to wait a few days because she did like you but didn't want to seem too eager. Maybe you didn't get on as well as you thought and she didn't feel she was really friends with you, so she wanted to wait and see you a few more times before adding you, etc. etc.

What you did is act ULTRA NEEDY and ULTRA INSECURE. Exactly WHO THE FUCK CARES whether someone accepts their friend request on FACEBOOK? It's NOT REAL LIFE? WHO GIVES A FUCK?

Calling her out on it and making a big deal out of it, even if she was going to add you before, certainly made her not want to.

If you have two friends, and you meet them to hang out, and one of them spends the whole time making random jokes, hi-fiving you, making you laugh, and saying how you're awesome, and the other guy spends the whole time going on about how you don't call him enough and why didn't you answer his phonecall last week, and saying you're lying to him, etc. WHO do you think you're gonna want to hang out with again next week? That's right, the guy who's chilled out and laid back and you have fun with, not the guy who calls you out on all your shit and brings ZERO VALUE to the table.

Guess what, you're the second guy. If you want people to accept your friend requests, hang out with you, and generally like you, then just focus on having a good time with them, making jokes, and being relaxed and easy-going. Nobody OWES you anything just cuz you felt you had a nice interaction with them a few times. Calling people out on shit is just completely counterproductive.

2. Dude you LOOKED at a girl and you expect her to add you? Maybe if you had the fucking balls to talk to her in REAL LIFE you might actually get somewhere. STOP TRYING TO SARGE ON FACEBOOK.

3. I don't know where to begin with this conversation. Look at these responses:

loveyoudia (4:28:25 PM): Your irritating
loveyoudia (9:58:37 PM): Your have friends?
loveyoudia (10:02:17 PM): Don't say ye its not cute.
loveyoudia (10:26:54 PM): None of your buisness
loveyoudia (10:34:48 PM): You don't deserve one

This girl DOES NOT LIKE YOU.

Now, I've already been over this with you but it seems like you don't actually want to take anybody's advice. Even so I'll try one last time.

-Stop trying to sarge on the internet
-Stop "negging" at all, ever
-Give one guy and one girl a COMPLIMENT every day, for the rest of your life
-RELAX
-Never call people out on why they haven't gotten back to you, or ask them if they like you, why they don't like you, or that they're lying about something
-Don't be reactive. If someone does something that annoys you or to insult you, just ignore it.
-Join some teams, clubs, etc. Do a team sport, do dance classes, generally try and be learning things and also meeting new people
-Have a positive, social frame of mind. Think of your goals as HAVING FUN, making people SMILE, spreading HAPPINESS and GIVING VALUE to people.

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You're lucky blondguy made it here before me. I wouldn't have gone that easy on you.

Read the above reply as many times as it takes, until you know it in and out.

I've got nothing else to add.

Good luck.

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That girl you said doesn't like me (through the IMs blondeguy talked about) is the the biggest bser ever. I got tired of her and left her for 6 weeks. I came back after trying to talk to her. We argued, etc. I left again and she put her status up as, "I like how I miss you every time you leave." I told her that and she bsed me again by saying, "I didn't put your name in it." Every time I would leave she would put her status up as wanting me back, etc. We fought last night which ended up with me blocking her. She kept giving me all these short answers with periods and stuff and I called her out on it. She said I was stupid because periods are used to end sentences. Even I KNOW that but she's such a bullshitter she tries to turn everything back around at me. You may think I'm so guilty of things with girls but these girls are hypocrites. They say "ew" to me, they blow me off, they put me down, and yet they still keep it going for the sake of wanting attention from me and not to also mention that they always check me out in person. Girls don't say what they mean and don't mean what they say.

You're right, nobody owes me anything after a good interaction, but that doesn't mean they gotta be all fake about it and bs.

My goal is to have fun, I laugh, I smile, but still. I even layed it low with all the negging. Also began to compliment people. I never ask why they don't like me and stuff, but I mean I do call them out on why they still haven't accepted my friend request and such. I like getting to the point, I don't like being bullshitted by being neither accepted nor rejected. I just like to break through all the bs and get to the point. I may appear needy but I'm actually not, because deep inside all I want to do is reach a conclusion.

And from what I've collected, people generally enjoy being around other fake people. (Hahaha, smiles, good times)..trust no one but yourself. I see people as being liars and backstabbers and it's not because I'm not social as you may judge, but because I am full of life and vigor. I remember a girl I was all sweet with. I kissed her on the cheek in front of her friends, etc. and I was nice to all of them. So what did the bitches do behind my back? They told her, "This guy is a player" and so on to the point that later on in that day when I got on facebook to talk to her, she told me she heard I was a player. I am calm and relaxed at first, I even have a higher tolerance of shit now but even though someone makes me react, I don't let them get away with them being happy they made me react. I would put their mind to work and make them feel bad one way or another.

Trying to keep yourself calm and eliminating anger as a whole emotion is being fake. There is a reason why anger exists. There is a reason why arguments and fights exist. My inner feelings radiate outwards and by that I'm not referring to being sad and crying (as that is something else where you let things get to you too much and through time you get better at not giving a shit). I'm not saying to end up hitting somebody, but we are HUMAN, we're not robots. We need a balance between anger/happiness and everything else. I'm fire, I'm free and wild and not afraid to love and hate.

You Blondeguy, may have had a lot of success based on your own principles and such but I bet my whole wallet that one day you'll come to the same conclusion about the way people are. Even with your whole experience, I know you have times where you're confused and don't know what to do.

Leaders give love to those that deserve it and hate to the others that don't. Ever seen an alpha male in a pack of animals look calm 100% of the time and ignore things? This mindset pushes and attracts certain people, but it's the most genuine way to go. It happens in real life, it happens everywhere. You see it in gangs, you see it in Congress, you see it at corporations, it's all around us.

I'll go talk to that one girl, I just recognized her face at my school in person. I've confronted girls and facebook and talked them in person after. It is amazing how much they bullshit with you when they're on facebook talking to you compared to when they're in front of your face. I came to their face all big and direct, they just stood there hush-mouthed when I would confront them. Shit, she even had 2 guys on both of her sides and even they got out of the way and didn't say a word.

Couldn't agree more. And to clarify, i was simply saying that having an attitude where you are trying to get perspective on what will help you as fast as you possibly can while detaching your own insignificant ego is a good quality, not that practically you should ever ask someone in a social situation these type of questions as you are definitely value sucking

However, I don't think it's wrong to ask someone something like "hey bra, what do you think of so and so that i do" to a close friend who will actually tell you if you are trying to get feedback.

I also had a clarifying question for you. I'm new to the forums and i wonder when you advised him to never neg ever, was this specific to him or do you think that everyone should never neg ever?

I had to stop reading there. You say they keeping coming back for attention, and what do you do? You keep giving it, you are the the kitten falling for the dangling shoe string. You know they are playing games with you, yet you allow it and you think you are doing the right thing in your mind by calling them out on it and making it a personal mission to force it out of their mouths. I guarantee you when you turn around and walk away, they are talking smack about you. Thats how things are, its not going to change, accept it, move on.

If you dont like them, cut them off and dont go back. Simple and plain, you have an odd outlook on things and I dont know where it comes from, but if someone kept harassing me about something so stupid as facebook, they will get a swift kick in the face.

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Swift kick in the face? It's not harassment, the person (a.k.a. me) just wants to know why you were being an idiot about it.

If you don't call people out on things and go after things, you miss out on a lot of opportunities in life. Ignoring doesn't really help. Why ignore that one bitch when there is SOMETHING you can say to make her come to you. You never know what may happen if you steamroll once through it.

And just by the way you said how it's harassment and all that, when I would only ask, "Why?" just shows how much of a bad mood you're in. That's not harassment coming from what you say, that's exaggeration.

Ok nyseto so you have successfully outlined that people will bullshit and be fake and whatever, and its wrong etc. etc... unfortunately that's how things are. What I don't get, (which is simply because i don't know you, your personality, or your upbringing) is why you are trying to fight it? Its not a few people that are like that, but a lot of people, and you clearly must see that given the evidence you have presented us in your first post, and your rage at blondguy for trying to help you. But once again; why are you trying to fight them? Why are you trying to fight the world man, just do your thing. Let bad people be bad people don't let it get to you so much? You shouldn't let situations which you have no control over you make you angry and want to confront each person that doesn't walk up to you and tell you whether or not they like you. Yea I know it sucks when your gaming a girl and then her friends are like hes a player and then bam its done, but what are you going to do? Start bitching at her friends for saying that? Whether you believe that to be the most right or most wrong course of action, the fact of the matter is acting that way won't get you anywhere.

I am not saying you should change your beliefs or your personality. I am just saying you should accept that some people are going to be this way, and you don't need those people. Caring so much about what they think and how they act towards you isn't... alpha. And you sound like a pretty smart guy, c'mon, channel all of that "fire" you mention towards being positively passionate about life, women, your goals, etc.

You wouldn't be on this forum if you didn't think you had some degree of a problem. Guys like that (I being one of them) should be here to accept, instead of resist, the advice of the people on this forum. Try doing what the above posts are telling you, if it doesn't work, only THEN come back and preach to everyone how they should think.

theCage, for some reason your post got to me the most because you really found out my problem. Yeah man..I care and keep fighting it because I hate how I am the one that tries to not bullshit and have honor instead and all these other people are all bullshitters. I have no bullshit shield, I am very primal with the way I act or innocent. Really, you look at me and think, "That kid is so innocent." Well I am because I automatically care about other people and it makes me very vulnerable especially when they bullshit me. I mean even if I tried to be like them, "Meh, who gives a shit. It is what it is." I'd eventually get tired of it. I can't keep up being fake for long with girls. I eventually fall over and either text them too much, etc. Let's just say I tend to go to afc really fast because of my emotions. I watch myself do stupid afc mistakes everyday with girls and all I want to do is bang my head up against a wall. I get my PUA techniques up, my confidence skyrocketing, everything going good for a while and then all of a sudden a failure gets to me and it carries on to even more failures.

I mean, it got so bad that I ended up calling a girl a "cunt" yesterday and sending around 20 more texts without her responding anymore. I'm thinking of just going all out with the bullshit and no emotion whatsoever. If anything, I'll bullshit people next time.

This thread is hilarious.


Nyseto you don't even realize slightly that what you are doing now, is the exact same thing you keep doing to these girls. I find it hilarious, other people think you're a retard. BUT THAT DOESN'T MATTER, NYSETO IS CAPTAIN RIGHT.

he fucking knows.


You should become a politician.