When I talk to girls, I am who I am. I don't put this 'mask' on to make me look like a player- I don't peacock, and I DEFINATELY don't hold back.

I'm not bigging myself up, because I probably get rejected more times than a lot of you guys, but at the same time, am happy with that.

For me, sleeping with someone you have only known a short while and have run game on is pretty low. I believe it is only fair to allow the girl to make her choice based upon who you are.

Pickup needs to be about self improvement. Pickup is actually an ugly term. I prefer to thinkof it as a social powertool.

My humour is extreme, to the point of just generally disgusting and offensive. I could tone it down and probably increase my chances of success... but why should I want to? I WANT a girl who can handle and understand me.




Because of my attitude to the 'no holds barred, confidence can get you everywhere' attitude, I have found it is naturally rather attractive to girls anyway. I have that thing going on at the minute where girls talk about how much I irritate them, yet still fuck me.

This suits me because I don't want it getting out that I sleep around. I have my core group of 4/5 friends and an LTR that keep me VERY happy. Until I need more friends, why should I make them? Not every one of your friends will like you for who YOU are, especially if you just 'sarge' for social acceptance.

I say stand by who YOU are, and be happy with that. Anything else is just 'cool'.

IF YOU GENUINELY BELIEVE THIS, I BELIEVE PEOPLE WILL BE MORE ATTRACTED TO YOU.

Meh, that was an unplanned, rambling post. Just my opinion, and feel free to rip it to shreds as though it were a small child in a brothel.

Absolutely agree.

Instead of worrying what techniques will make a girl like you, learn to screen for girls that are up for it and have the qualities you like in a woman, then just sexually escalate confidently. Giving off the "don't give a shit" plus the "I have plenty of girls to choose from" vibes with confidence = WIN.


lol @ "small child in a brothel"

I love paedo jokes

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i agree to a larger degree, i am similar in my sense of humour and have a like me or dont attitude,

pick up for me just helps me get over the initial what to say, how to say it. because when i first approach women i tend to not be myself. so this helps for the initial approach. also this gives me a sense of chocie that i didnt feel i had before.

however i disagree that not giving a fuck and having a choice attitude are all the skills u need. its fine for going to a club and getting a lay. but if you want to meet a girl on a day 2. then there are skills taught here that these attitudes dont cover.

sometimes these are simple things like logistics of where to meet what to do, what to do etc. to more complex things like where and when its appropriate to kino. show interest, not show interest etc.

all this however is part and parcel of being me. i dont change who i am to pull women. why should i, i get on with people, im fun to be around. and generally self confident. (apart from when it comes to women lol)

hank: With regards to your comment about it being great in a nightclub.... I actually believe the opposite. I aint 'screening' these girls for a quick lay- if I was just after their body I might aswel just bite my tongue and run typical 'game'.

I'm thinking more 'can I spend thime with this girl, or will she piss me off'?

But apart from that: I would have thought id get a bit of a flaming for MY flaming of conventional pickup =D

I feel like you're advocating for natural game as opposed to using canned material. And in that sense I agree. You get much farther being yourself and "improving yourself," if you will, than lying to yourself and the girl.

I disagree with your comment about only 4/5 close friends. I used to sound just like you, until I opened up and developed a sincere appreciation for people in general, guys and girls, and got a taste of the variety that's out there. Afterall, it's not what you already know that brings you forward. It's what you don't know and have seen or experienced for the first time. So along your lines of self improvement...

Lastly, the last thing I'll do it harp on morals. But I don't believe in cheating. Either I want to commit to one person, which I don't, or I am open with whoever I see about being non-exclusive. True, not every girl will be into that, but plenty are.

I screen for quick lays what of it. You honestly think you can screen a girl for long term compatibility when everyone u meet at a club or wherever at first is not showing their true cards. It can give you a small estimation and thats it.
I have to run pickup for the sheer fact that I cant do it as my "normal self". My normal self talks about things that no women in her right mind would care about let alone create attraction.
So I run this bullshit game just because it works, and it makes me appear normal. Even though when I run this bullshit I cant remember anything theyve said including their name, its just like excuting a program, if X is this do this.
If I be me I appear wierd, with my mental issues ADHD I have to create structure a goal and make it stimulating to make me appear normal
goal get laid, stimulating is the pickup, strucutre the art of pickup. otherwise I get bored of small talk and show it

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I think you are misunderstanding me, Keksman. Just because I would rather have 4/5 close friends, doesn't mean I have no aquaintances. I'm just as social as the next guy, but VERY selective over who I consider to be 'friends'. TOTALLY agree on your mention of what bring us forward. Good point, well made.

Jelly, I don't run night game. I aint a fan, for EXACTLY the reasons you stated. Going back to Keksmans point on cheating: I have a GF and am happy. I have no need to go and find quick lays. I am NOT knocking your goals, as everyone has different ones. For me, I aspire to be happy and never pass up an oppertunity which I want to grab. I would not give up my girlfriend, OR jeopardize my relationship, for someone who I couldn't connect with beyond a physical level. In fact, it takes something rather special to sway me, for example look in the Lay Report section. I slept with her because we had a connection- beyond just liking the same music. She was DIFFERENT. (No I do not have one-itis, a 'disease' which I believe can bring out the best in us as well as the worst).

I know ADHD may make you feel there is only one way to go, but have you ever thought about setting more specific goals than 'get laid'? Maybe more than one goal? Surely this should enhance your life, rather than give you a 'formula'?

And lastly: What on earth is wrong with showing you dislike small talk??! It serves as a notice that she isnt intense enough for you. It can serve as a form of neg even.

Just PLEASE try to have fun. The pickup can last for (potentially) hours or even days. Sex is at most an hour. Don't waste away chasing tail unless you ?GENUINELY have a scream during the pickup. You seem a like a good guy and I' hate to see you get obsessed with a programming code, without seeing what other languages have to offer.

Metaphorically, that is.
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I do show when that applies. but that is not always, if I dont set the goal idc, and not pickup idc but to a level of what ever you are going to say will not interest me.

Trying to get laid is supposed to be a hard goal that stimulates my brain enough and makes it enjoyable, when it gets easy like it has I have to change my method to make it hard again. boredom is a major reason of adhd, the part of the brain that controls orgainzing and executive functioning is barely on unlike other ppl

other goals such as improve myself, become more social, obtain social proof, find a ltr, etc...yes and I have tried it all, but in improving myself I found my flaws and PU will not fix them its an independent issue.
Life is simply boring, talking to most ppl boring, shit even having sex I zone out and have to bring myself back to reality. not antisocial just simply bored, not stimulated enough.

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i know small talk i find boring and some parts of pick-up is boring too, not that i don't like picking up but i get bored easily too. I would like to hear how you game Jelly

and what do you mean pick up should not get you laid? Pick up doesnt have to be any structure or defined method. its just doing something to get your dickwet.

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I guess it depends on what you want as a man. Are you looking for a wife or just out to get laid? It all depends.

If I just want a quick fuck and I know I can use game to get it.. why not? LTR's require being on the same page so in those situations you SHOULD be yourself 100%. If a girl can't tolerate who you are it will never work out.

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^^^ Agreed 10027562895682%

I don't like one timers, but also not full blown relationships. I want fuck buddies who can actually be a buddy rather than just booty call.

Really good post, no matter how sloppy you think it was. I'm writing this, because THIS is what took me SOOO long to get. It was the only thing that was holding me back from skyrocketing my game, and no PUA guru, book or DVD ever taught me this. I would even dare calling it "ultimate inner game".

I'm glad people are figuring this out!
A fuck buddy whom your friends with too will only result in feelings getting involved and someone getting hurt. Speaking out of personal experience.

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I have looked at the replys and like them.

Firstly it does seem that you are pushing Natural Game V Methodology.

This is good.

But you should always have an eye on that LTR as well as quick lays.

I have always thought women were like buses.

You get nowhere for weeks the 3 turn up all at once.

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Its all to easy.

I want to be a tree!

^^ yet again, agreed. My current situation has an LTR for a good 2 years, 1 fuck buddy, and a couple of girls that are backups.

I'm pretty darn happy, minus the actual BEING in college =D

1. You don't like altering your behaviour based on context.
2. You have a need to make sure people interacting with you know all the details (even when they are irrelevant?)
3. Being un-afraid to show who you are is attractive.
4. (3) needed to be said again.
5. It's important that we know that you are very happy.

Am I right?