...I am feeling a bit more chilled and levelheaded on the subject of socializing.

I hardly knew about how to relate and talk to people, let alone use "PUA techniques". I look at my ability to communicate now, and to be honest, I cant stand most women, as well as most guys who get women.

I went from wanting to hurt other guys...to perceiving the lot of them who get women as retarded idiots. I went from violence...to just looking down on them.

I'm understanding what it takes to get women to go out with you...it seems that the more attractive a woman is, the dumber and more retarded she ends up being. Meanwhile, ugly ass dudes are getting women left and right.

Honestly, the whole system is fucked up and plain WRONG man. I fear I'll never find a girlfriend, let alone some girl worth talking to. I can strike up a conversation with a girl, and she'll end up smiling and wanting to talk more to me, but at the back of my mind, I'm thinking "Easy, cheap whore."

Knowing these PUA skills I'm now aware of, I realize that...I can make any girl cheat with a boyfriend or husband just by talking to her. It's almost cruel and unfair. It's as if women are 100% subject to their emotions, and WILL CHEAT if the guy has enough game. (This isn't theory; my time having conversations and exploring these avenues had shown me this through the back door).

I feel, internally, I can net any girl I want to...but my fear is I KNOW she will cheat on me if a guy with game comes up to her. I am not a witty conversationalist. I am actually rather introverted and stand-offish in real life.

I don't like a lot of people, especially drunk 20-30 year old guys who act like teenagers. I don't like jocks, sports fans, or anyone who looks down on you for liking a certain sports team (For the record, I am a martial artist. American Football is for fucking sissies).

...but I wont hurt anyone physically. Most of the time, I simply avoid places where I will see guys who are genuine pieces of shit (Bars, Lounges, Clubs). Ironically, that's where the most "attractive" girls are.



I don't like this PUA bullshit. Whether your a PUA or an AMOG, you still have to deal with really shitty people man. I will honestly say I am a decent human being, almost better than the rest of the population. I take care of the groups I'm in, and make sure everyone I consider a friend has a good time without getting out of hand.

...but, women don't want that man. Women want the jackass, the reckless asshole, the douchebag. It makes me vomit when I see the SAME SCENARIO playing out in the club. I don't see AFCs getting rejected...but I do see women going home with the assholes who act like total jerks and not giving a shit about anyone else.

It sickens me man. I sit there, drinking my guinness, striking conversation with whomever is in my vicinity, and just feeling disgusted at humanity.

Girls talk to me, smile, touch and flirt with me...and I just look at them like they're dirty little whores. I think ALL women are dirty little whores. I honestly think I will never find a good girlfriend, let alone a wife down the road.

...I seem to be considered attractive by how women at bars and clubs act towards me, yet...I don't pursue it. They strike convo, I pursue it, I even walk out of clubs sometimes with girls in arm...but I look down on them man. I despise all these chicks. Who's dick have they been sucking?





Maybe I don't hate guys who get girls...rather, I think guys who hook up with girls at clubs and bars are typical dirtbags with AIDS, and the girls who hook up with them as ugly whores (Ugly internally, not externally).

I can approach any women, but I find most of them, especially attractive ones, disgusting sluts. (I'm not gay, don't worry. I wish to fuck most of these girls...but then, it's that factor of them leaving me for another guy. I feel women would cheat in a heartbeat, and I can't give any of them a chance).

...I'm not sure if I need help or not. I'm just becoming a really fucked up person through this experience. Yet, I know too much now. I'm scarred man. I've become a cold-blooded asshole, and I don't even care.

I feel I'll never be able to make a genuine human connection with another human being.


...this sucks man. I feel dead, yet living. I feel like this world is full of negative, yet I'm trying to place a positive light in my life. Rather, I feel like I'm the only positive person in the world, and everyone else is a negative parasite.



...whatever man. I might just give up and live single for the rest of my life. I'm fucked up in the head man. Knowing all women are whores...and all guys are sharks. I can't deal with that crap man. I can't...

Man don't fill your or anyone elses head with that crap. I don't care what you say there are plenty of good people out there, why don't you try finding the people that you can really gel with instead of sitting in a tower & judging people at a glance. Find what you really love doing and find others that are interested in the same shit. Make your nights out about fun and not other people, don't let it affect you.

Also you say "cheating" but do you really think the douchebags or chicks are thinking about these social labels when they are fucking? If you don't think of it all as a black and white equation and think of human interaction as a chance to learn from someone else as well as sharing some of your own wit and wisdom being social becomes a transcending experience that makes you and everyone around you a better person.


Isn't that an aim of the PUA? Leave people better then when you found them.

Focus on what you can do for them and not on what they aren't doing for you.

Drop the Guinness for some PBR and ride the wave, man (so to speak). That's what those "assholes" do, ride the wave. How you haven't realized that flowing with a situation based off of what YOU want is a massive part of PUA (to me anyway) despite all of your research is mildly amazing. It takes cold-bloodedness. It takes a lot of neglect of things you think are important to human interaction. That's the nature of the beast. If coming to terms with this is an issue, then it might be an indicator of greater issues at hand with you. Maybe some kind of social disorder?

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Only one thing could cure this: Dance Music.

You're right, you need help. Personally I would consider councilling or therapy. The world may seem bleak and disgusting to you now, but it seems to me like this could be symptoms of a bigger problem in your psyche.

I don't want to assume anything, but alot of the thought behaiours etc that you have written of. Homophobia/misanthropy/narcissism/feelings of hatred and moral superiority, are traits very common in serial killers etc. Not saying that you are or will be on that level. I would want to just flag up that the traits you seem to be exibiting in that post are the traits of an unfortunatly very troubled individual. So if this post does contain your most genuine inner thoughts it may be worth reflecting on what that means.

I would definatly recommend seeing a proffesional and talking to them about your feelings and your life/history, maybe they could help you with your feelings?

Good luck, my thoughts are with you!

You have trust issues, and you are really insecure, thats why you seem to have the need to put yourself in a pedestal. you convince yourself that you are the best guy in the world, and other people don't make it for you, so that when you get cheated on or rejected is never your fault.
"I think guys who hook up with girls at clubs and bars are typical dirtbags with AIDS, and the girls who hook up with them as ugly whores (Ugly internally, not externally)."
This is not beeing a positive person, you can't be so pissed off about those people.
I think you got cheated, or someone betrayed you or something like that, you just need to move on and stop caring about other people or if it is really hard to move on seek help.
Sorry about my english.

wtf dude..... this extreme anti social behaviour is not normal....
Totally agree, Rune step away from your ego and go see a psychologist, I'm sure in one cession you will learn a lot of stuff and you can find a psychologist for

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I have been seeing a psychologist. It's the same circle...not being able to connect with the "right people". I am also on medication. Why hide it?

...I went to Borders books today. The girl behind the coffee counter was rather attractive, and when I ordered a pretzel, she was smiling. We made small conversation. She was studying nursing, and wanted to help people since she was sick when she was a little girl. We parted ways.

I then had a sudden feeling of guilt. I remembered the moments I would go into clubs, and be surrounded by the very people I've talked about, and then I meet a genuinely nice person, and suddenly, I see myself as the bad guy.

I feel I've been looking for the wrong people in the wrong places. I encounter the same problem because I've judged everyone as being the same. I was convinced all girls were the same as the club girls, and all guys were douchebags. Yet, I was wrong.

I let my own past and anger frame my view on people. I felt wronged, so I felt that I should wrong others to make up for my childhood. That doesn't work.

Yet, I find that I can't find anyone like myself to relate to. This explains my superiority complex. I think for myself, and find that not many people around me share the same interests I do. For me to "dumb myself down"...is not something I want to do, but at the same time...

...Idk. I do realize now that not everyone is as pathetic as the club trash I run into...but there's not that many quality people either.

Where are they?

How's your relationship with your parents?

More specifically your mom.

Guys, stop bashing the OP with the cliched "You need help" statement. Cause you're not giving him a realistic solution to his situation.

But he does have a point - Women are not as innocent as they'd like you to believe. He got shocked by the realization.

to OP: Relax man, there is no point to try to change other people if they don't want it and you should accept them for who they are, you do have the power to change yourself whenever you wish.

Yeah, women are chaotic, but you should recognize their behavioral patterns and deal with them accordingly.

Also you must cut your feeling of superiority pronto! I don't have the time to explain to you exactly why, but when you compare yourself to others and state "I am good because they are bad!" you're gonna get into a lot of trouble...

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Well it's great that you are doing what you are doing right now.

I know the feeling that you have, I had it back when I was in my mid teens, as a kid my hobbies were in martial arts as yourself, and also in academic pursuits and art. As a result, becuase I had been rejected by people who did less and arguably were "less" than me. I thought they were just shit.

Here's the catch though, we're both judging them on OUR perceptions of what a good human is. Most epople are just average, they don't do much else outside of go to work, and drink on the weekend, maybe half heartedly pursue a hobby.

But these people are just that. Normal, average.

They don't pursue the things that someone like you may pursue or aspire to, but often they have no want or need to. They just do what makes them happy, as do you.

In clubs etc, we're only exposed to a certain demographic, in a certain situation while they express a certain side to themselves.

When we have a feeling of rejection towards other people, and a confirmation bias to make these fears and delusions spring to life in front of us. With a disposition to commit fundamental attribution error (assume a persons behaviour in one situation or multiple situations over a limited period time is an accurate assesment of them as a whole individual) then it is very tempting to believe, all men are ass-holes, that women are ditsy emotional beings with next to no intellegence and that humanity lacks any compassion or articulation.

I personally love humanity, but it's only becuase I managed to get over my baggage with certain groups and make my peace with my previous scars that I managed to let myself view the bigger picture.

Good luck!

Rune, I'm going to give you a golden advice here:

Mostly, people don't like the things in other people what they also don't like about themselfs. Often, people hate other people because of qualities he doesn't posses but others do.

This means: you have to start accepting yourself. You weren't like those people who seduced girls easily, because they possesed qualities you didn't have.

Before trying to like and love other people, start liking and loving yourself. You might feel superior than the others, but actualy you hate yourself.

If you accept all your flaws, see yourself as a human being, who makes good decisions, but who also has his flaws and mistakes, you can start liking and accepting yourself.

If you can accept your own flaws, and being cool with it, you can start accepting other people's flaws and being cool with it.

Love yourself, and you can love others, and others will love you.

Cheers!

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You WANT to make a change.
You CAN make a change.
You WILL make a change.

Ambitious to be succesfull => Shyler

Men have this illusion of wanting a woman to be pure and they've been thought that the male ego is fragile and needs to be handled with care. What gives you the right, as a man, to sleep with dozens of women and calling a woman a whore when she's slept with maybe 10 guys in a lifetime?

It's not society what's fucked up, but your mind creating the illusion it's fucked up. That beautifull girl you're calling a whore might just be the most loveable person in the world, yet you write her off just for liking you or someone else?

And the typical so called dumbass jock in the club might just be as shy as every AFC guy out there, but is just having fun with his friends trying to have a good time, while you're sitting in the corner making facial expressions of disgust as if they're not worth living. Everyone goes out hoping they'll have a good time, why bother going out if you think it's going to suck in the first place?

Not like I'm perfect, hell I'm far from that and I also do pitty the low-lifes walking this earth, but that doesn't stop me from having a good time and caring for the people I love. You can't like everybody, right?

Like our soccer legend Johan Cruijff said: 'Every advantage has it's disadvantage', just like every up has it's down. What makes our lives great is how much you appreciate the ups and deal with the downs.

Everyone has his or her problems in life and wheither it be facing reality or shitting your pants during exams, it's just another thing to deal with while the reward is waiting for you down the line.

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Optimistic?

the thing youre gonna have to think about is why are you in the pua community if you now despise it! the thing about the pick-up community is its always been for the land of the 'nice guy'. and the truth is no matter how much anyone on the forum will deny it we've all thought the way your thinking,
ive gone through times where i thought that only assholes get laid and that really attractive girls are really money greedy whores that will sleep with anyone because theyve got money or power, but the thing is its about learning not everybody is interested in that lifestyle,

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life sucks and then you die! deal with it

But Rune is onto some new negative cold approach technique that will make 50million dollars

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~California Love~!

Reading your post you seem to be bitter at men that can get women, and you think that with the right lines you have the power to make any girl cheat.

Seems slightly delusional.

Like others have said, you need help. You seem like you're living in a world of self hatred as well as hatred for others. You have to accept that everyone has their flaws and everyone has their good points.

Good luck man!

Also, didn't Borders go bust?