Okay , The Honest Challenge!
“HOLY SHIT IVE HEARD THIS BEFORE, EVERYONE SAYS IT!” yeah but this is on a different magnitude, i mean everything.
This sounds easy but I mean EVERYTHING.

-don’t lie about saying you did in the gym "oh I did 5 reps on 100" when in fact you did 4.
-showering, "oh yeah I shower everyday", or do you miss out a couple a week?
-"sorry I’m late I was held up", or were you just talking to your friends, some girl, getting food, or going toilet?

answering truthfully even about things that don’t matter like the GYM example may not seem like a big deal because the other guy probably doesn’t care about the other 1 rep.
But you said you did the other rep to add to it because your SELF ESTEEM didn’t think 4 was good enough to say, but next time say it then after repetition of doing this your self esteem will realise IT IS GOOD ENOUGH, get what I mean?
If your confidence has to rely on the PURE TRUTH of what you are, then your self esteem will be encouraged and built as you have been living on what you are.

The teacher example is when you LIE to basically make up for your own shortcomings/inadequacies. I mean would you lie if it was just a friend’s house? But if you answer honestly "I was talking to a friend and I was being lazy, sorry." then she has nothing to come back on you, she might say something back but she has nothing on you

-"where your homework" you: "I left it at home" "oh sorry I was really busy", were you really? Or are you afraid to admit your actions "I was being lazy but I when I could have done it I forgot, sorry." see how you’ve admitted whets happened? Therefore because you’ve said WHAT YOU ACTUALLY did as your answer-putting your true self on the line- then the outside reaction is actually based
On yourself and your self esteem is boosted as you know you can rely on you as yourself.


SEE HOW MUCH PEOPLE CAN’T COME BACK TO IT

It’s like being totally honest means no one has any power of you, no one can hold secrets on you.

"Oh I have to be nicer to that guy than I really want to be or ignore, he knows what I was like back in my old school"

Not if you’re honest because those secrets won’t be secrets anymore.

Ever find yourself in a situation of a topic where you’re uncomfortable and do all you can to switch the subject? I used to have this real bad with talks about girlfriends and sex
I mean when your 15 for some reason everyone talks about HOW MANY girlfriends you have had, it’s like it’s a real topic of subject, not ABOUT girlfriends or just, just how many times you’ve had sex,
Fingered a chick or amount of girlfriends, it’s crazy but I digress.
Don’t avoid those situations and subjects be honest about these insecurities, ALL INSECURITES!






A few key aspects to remember when doing this lifestyle;

a) Don’t be afraid to be honest about things your hiding because as long as you come across uncaring about it, as if any different WOULDNT EVEN MAKE SENSE TO YOU
Then people will look up to you because THEY WANT TO BE LIKE THAT. They don’t want their burdens on their head, and they’ll open up to you too.

"Oh yeah I'm totally like that!", "yeah I guess it doesn’t actually matter how many times you’ve been laid" as they don’t see any weakness in your statement they’ll actually agree with you

Frame control and keeping your reality is what they call it, I think.

b) knowing you’re going to be honest and uncaring about it because people will like you because of it, will take a lot of stress off you, I remember I spent UP UNTIL NOW constantly worrying with new friends, acquaintances and people that the conversation of girlfriends and sex would come up
Then they all laugh at you and think you’re worthless and weird.

c)after a while you will realise that being honest and people still liking you(if not more!) then you'll be confident in yourself and not just the image you put up of yourself.
*this is not some self esteem bullshitty thing, as you'll spend a while being nervous about revealing yourself to people
But after constant repetition your brain will internalise the idea that NOT BEING honest is actually not good for you and make you feel bad.

*Its tough this challenge as you probably will be laughed at a lot along the way, before you realise the silliness of it all ("wow, they all laughed at the fact I haven’t been laid but its NOWHERE near as bad as I thought it was, funny.").

Remember you might spend a while revealing the same silly thing in conversations to people and getting laughed at but YOU will get better, trust me.

Another thing, you can start off light on what your honest about then move up but as you progress you’ll realise that you’ll find it easier to open up to bigger things but still be slipping in little lies here and there about pointless things but everyone knows the little things count too!
So get out there and do it! Im doing it as we speak and feel better EVERYDAY, just knowing im not gonna have to worry about “my friends thinking im great with women, ”because ill say “no im pretty terrible actually but im learning” (thats a personal one).

Also be honest about non-verbal questions- say you’re at the bus station (or anywhere) and a hot girl is there and you stare at her WAY too much (im guilty) and she gives you that ’what are you looking at?’ look, tell her the truth ”im bored and youre the most interesting thing here”

You’ll also find it harder to tell the FULL TRUTH than just what you think is the truth, i mean is she really the hottest girl ever or was it you was bored too? Most guys in the BUS situation might just compliment her on saying she was beautiful was the reason but it was probably the boredom too, so tell her. NOTE: this is not if you’re gaming her, you don’t have to game everyone.

When you have accepted the truth you will find that you will be more productive as there are no excuses now, it may not be too much of a difference or it could be CRAZY amounts but either way you will be more productive,

Key points to remember:

*be honest about the tiniest things and your biggest insecurities, it may take time

*don’t just bring up a random truth in conversation to speed up process, just let it be natural if it comes up in conversation and someone asks you. NOTE: you don’t have to answer every question in life, especially if someone is trying to tool you or take your power.

*people will like you and respect you for being honest, not think you’re lame SERIOUSLY.

*IT WILL TAKE TIME

*confidence will come from this, if done right and determination.

*you will learn to more comfortable with yourself but it’s not an excuse to not improve yourself.

Have fun and give me feedback on what you think! its probably been said before but this is just some challenge ive set myself. Don’t hate just critique me!

Girl: are you a pua?
You: yes i am, now im speaking to you, so its done some good, right? I was at pizza world the other day.....

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"You don't want girls to think you suck dick at fucking pussy"
-Seth (Superbad)

this is great practice for understanding how to become mysterious and intriguing
rather than lying, you'll naturally develop techniques for leaving holes in stories and truth
you'll start joking around a little more and blatantly lying in a joking manner
guys will laugh, but women are easily hooked if you don't give into their devil-woman tricks.. right away
if you need an out, you can always smile, shrug your shoulders, and say 'i got nothing for ya!' haha

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i'm more playful, ergo i win

moved to lounge

I didnt know people lied that much during pickup. Its rare for me to tell a lie, The convo never goes in a way that makes me need to.

Things like your virginity though should be avoided, It doesnt matter if you think it will fix your insecurities it will also destroy your value among people. When you finally become secure the road back up will be harder by all these insecurities you have told people that will likely be used against you.

Most likely using this honesty ideal that you have brought forth will get you pushed down by guys and get friended by girls. The girls may even tell you their problems and you can become best of friends if you so choose. At best in the rare situation all this self-disclosure hooks you up with mentally f'd up girl who will mess your head up.

high vulnerable self-disclosure is not a good thing to do. White lies grease the wheels of society. Read a body language book and then tell me if ppl should stop lying. U'll notice lying is near as common as truth and no one cares

This isnt me being an ass its just the truth. The fake it, till you make it approach is way better.

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yeah Jelly, thats a good way too.

but hold on, i was thinking about it at like 3am in the morning when i couldnt sleep then wrote it on here inbetween lectures with all that tiredness, hence why it sounds like im on crack in it.

okay you can fake it to you make it, thats cool.

this is my approach; i found that when i lied about something small say girlfriends. i always found that id be thinking "oh i hope they never meet my friends and it comes up in conversation. THEYLL ALL LAUGH AT ME!!!". even if there was no chance of them speaking to my friends, i still deep down knew that they werent liking me for me, but what i was pretending.

its not a big lie but because i was lying about it, it meant i couldnt progress in that area either because well it was scary!!

even when you exaggerate a story or something about you, it means that the people arent laughing, looking up to you or whatever because of what you did but because of what you said.

these are all small things but they add up. Dont get me wrong i still lie all the time, im just trying to cut it out and if i see myself doing it i say, "actually, no. i did..." or whatever.
I was thinking about it as chief posted about Self-esteem and thats when i amde the connection.

Lying fucks your self-esteem up! its probably the only thing that does it! (maybe an exaggeration actually). you grow up as a kid speaking gods truth because noone cares and you havent realised about how society works THEN BAM you compensate for yourself by lying.

have you never met someone who is pretty honest and uncaring of your flaws? like a guy who doesnt care if you havent got with chicks even if he's a player because he doesnt see it as a big thing. Its probably that exact attitude that gets him his popularity and chicks.

so fine fake it to you make it but THE TRUTH SHALL SET YOU FREE

a harder road but im planning on being liked for me. if a girl is like "you havent been laid" (I have but this is an example). I would reply "nope." you dont have to be a bitch and start qualifying yourself and explaining why just say it as if it doesnt bother you.

actually you'll probably find women who find it a bit of a turn on as long as your not a bitch about it.
i dont think you'll find guys will lower your value or girls will only see you as a friend, if you're a bitch about it then yeah of course. but this whole DHV, DLV is pretty much bullshit.

i hated when youd be talking to women and started wondering "am i DHVing or DLVing?!?".

Jelly, if you could explain in more depth why you think it wouldnt work, thatd be great get a bigger discussion going.

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"You don't want girls to think you suck dick at fucking pussy"
-Seth (Superbad)

yeah true you dont always have to answer every question you get asked but if a discussion comes up about something your insecure about then just say it until you become numb from it and realise it doesnt matter. just make sure youre not getting tooled or put in a role from anybody either.

ALSO dont tell other peoples secrets if you know them and its a conversation about them. thats not good. being a good secret keeper is a foundation of any relationship. Joking in an obvious manner is fine, just make sure you tell the truth after without them having to ask again unless it kills the vibe aka being a buzzkill!!! but dont take my word as gospel, you can modify this challenge how you want.

but i think being pure honest is the best but yes you dont have to be a factual boring man, you can joke around or ignore things but face anything you ARE INSECURE ABOUT, the more insecure the better.
as you progress you'll realise the smaller lies are the harder ones to work on as they are hard to catch, it sounds silly i know but just gotta catch them out and tell out loud it was a lie or correct your self there and then.

NOT another time, straight there and then in the moment.

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"You don't want girls to think you suck dick at fucking pussy"
-Seth (Superbad)

Whether to lie or not as a PUA is not important. Usually If I do happen to lie its bc I actually believe the lie myself and am so wrapped up in the sexual tension I believe I may do things I wont.

Lying does not f up ur self esteem. get that out of your head. thats not the issue at hand. If you believe that you are using lying as a krutch though for reasons such as you believe that you have no self or are a bland , replaceable, forgettable guy then the problem is not the lying but its your self confidence. Self confidence and Self esteem are created by believing in and being comftorable with yourself.
Yes you are describing me. and I know if a guy comes up like you, Im not worried about you getting in my way just add you to my friends and be on my way. I'll know who could get in my way when he walks in and act accordingly.

Most importantly remember woman dont care if you lie, they wont hate u for it. They are watching if your congruent and are a well rounded confident person that they would like to take home. If your lying and bad at it, then they will know your lying and everything goes to shit.
This is dependent on what method you believe. I see value between men and how those interations work but I dont compare my value to my targets, I just think I am a sexual man and am great at creating sexual tension. I bypass all this value bs. My verbal language will be bland and the topic boring but the nonverbals are doing everything.
So its your choice whether thinking in a value related way to women is good for you. When you start to see that women and men both love to fuck value dissapears and its just you and a woman that wants to fuck. Just a man and a woman

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yeah im not too much of a fan of creating all this value i think going up to a girl and keeping convo with kino etc is enough to show your 'value'. I used to be on ol' MM but could barely put my head together on a night out!

i think this is aimed at people not as advanced as you, by what you say. like say if a beginner goes out by himself for his first time and people are like "so who you here with?"
"oh my friends are just around"
"not drinking tonight"
"oh im getting one in a second, ive only got a minute but..."

so youve set up your interactions hiding behind what you arent, not a good feeling for a beginner who probably cant even properly start a conversation with his sets yet. i know you can do it, this is for people trying to break in or even with a sticking point in an interaction. Also there's always a sense of lying in the seduction community or what i get from it anyway or a feeling that puas are different from everyone in the club. Me being a reasonable beginner that is. you dont feel your just at a bar with people;

youre a pua with a load of chodes and targets and obstacles. i found gaming easier when i just saw it as me, as a cool guy in a bar/club wanting to meet some hot chicks and get my dick wet. Took the pressure off.

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"You don't want girls to think you suck dick at fucking pussy"
-Seth (Superbad)

I find lying to be quite useful now and again
here me out though

Girl : What do you work as ?
me : I go around town of a night time turning on all the street lamps with a remote control

girl laughs and hits me

Girl : what course are you studying in uni ?
me : candle making

lying can be useful but i don't know if this comes under your " honesty policy "

nah man, you can still joke around and stuff

but say you had a bad job and you were like 40years old, so you make some clowny ass remark about where you work, are you doing it because you genuinely are just having a joke or using comedy to cover up your lame job?

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"You don't want girls to think you suck dick at fucking pussy"
-Seth (Superbad)

This is what I do, transparent honesty with jokes thrown in. It's not just useful in pickup, it's also handy in the military. They'd rather you be honest and frank than try and bullshit them ("Well Sergeant, I tried but..." is a no-go, "I fucked up" is preferable). Lead the men and you'll lead the women!

It shows you're willing to stand up and be you and it builds a bulletproof frame. How else could I get away with listening to the gay-ass music I do? Before I discovered PUA, my extensive Kylie Minogue collection playing on the ride to my/her place prompted lots of explanation I felt I had to supply. "It's all really good, seriously... (bullshit trying to sound like a music critic)" That shit sounded like I was embarassed. Coupled with enthusiasm, honesty is extremely potent. "Yeah, she's the fucking shit!" and then I'd start singing along. No questions asked after that and the enthusiasm is contagious.

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This is so fucking beautiful :')


Ever since I learned to quell my ego and to be more honest about myself and my flaws, my confidence went through the fucking roof. I noticed that, throughout my entire life, dishonesty had perpetuated low self-esteem.

i find that lying is habitual. if you let yourself lie about a small little detail, you are more likely to slip and tell a lie again without even intending to.

one other thing i notice is that the more confident i am, and the stronger my inner game is, the more brutally honest i will be with people.

what about lying for unselfish reasons?

for example if i see a friend i hadn't seen in a while and see that his wife divorced him, he lost his job, and filed for bankruptcy, and had his house broken into... i tend to downplay my own successes so as to not let him feel any worse. this type of lying is not selfish by any means, but i think it can still become habitual.

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GOod topic!