Hi,

Thank you SCB. I'm going to take a look.

Cheers

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i always imagined that he just knows he's the shit, so from the get go he knows he'll end up with her, and things like magic is just his job so of course he's gunna use it.

also he even says that he learnt to control groups of people through selling his magic shows, so he obviously just knows how to control a room whilst getting a chick.

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I've never seen what i wrote on RSDnation but I dont doubt something similar to it might be on there. It is possible for 2+ people to come to the same conclusion with anyone having to rip each off. Just means the conclusion is more likely to be true.

Also, women can feel when your fake. In general, they feel what you feel. Thats because your the man and your reality is (or at least supposed to be) stronger than hers. I'll explain one theory posed by scientist as to why this is:

Do you have a baby? Im willing to bet not. I don't either. But, I used to take care of my baby nephew all the time. When he would cry I would first think to ask myself "whens the last time he was fed, perhaps he is hungry." If he wasnt hungry Id check his diaper. If it wasn't his diaper id simply try something else.

The same thing happens with a lot of dads. They go down a "list" and do everything until they finally fix whatever is making the baby cry.

Have you ever noticed this is different with women, and specially moms? A baby starts to cry and the women (almost all the time) pretty much immediate knows why the baby is crying. This isn't magic, or even that astounding really...iits simply a by-product of evolution. Women have, historically, be the ones to take care of the children while the men was out bringing home the "meat."

Over time, Women has evolved this "sense." They are more finely intune with emotions and feelings. Lets use another example:

Ever had a friend, specially a female, come up to you and start laying out a big problem of hers. Lest say her car died.

Susans cat died so she runs over to Bobbies house. She lays there crying and telling him about the cat. Bobby defentially feels bad for her but hes not feeling the emotions she feels.

Now, Susan runs over to her female friends, Ashley, house. She is crying and telling about her cat. Ashley is crying too and is feeling a MUCH deeper level of emotion than Bobby did. Thats because Ashley can feel (not as much but can feel it) what Susan is feeling.

Women can feel what you feel. Thats teh whole basis of sexual sate projection.

You feel sexual and horny, she will feel sexual and horny.
You feel happy, she will feel happy.
You feel ok and not awkward with the silences, she will be comfortable with them too.

Something else I have noticed and would like to point out:

As I have said many, many times over... It is bad to be reactive. Its much better to be nonreactive. I have also said thats one big reason MM is bad, it teaches you to b reactive where as working on yourself and inner game will teach you to be nonreactive.

MM making the user reactive can simply be proved why looking no further than this fourm. Take my two recent threads on MM and combine it with this one. Now, go thru every reply and chalk the reply up as:

"positive and nonreactive."
"netural"
or
"negative and reactive."

Replying with a different opinion that man does not count as being reactive as long as their reply is mature. Ezo is a great example. Ezo disagress with me on MM being bad but he disagress in a mature way. My opinion doesn't effect his emotional state. It doesn't make him angry and furtrated and therefore causing him to lash out. Hes very emotionally stable and mature is his replies.

Now, once you do all that, notice that almost everyone that you put in the "negative and reactive" category is a very strong supporter of MM. Notice the pattern?

So, why does my opinion cause many of these MM supporters to lash out, call me names, and be very negative? Insecurity. On some level, my opinion has resonated with them and it makes sense. Their ego then takes over and says "wow, it kinda makes sense but NO..I cant be wrong! I wont let myself be wrong!"

They then lash out. Why are they insecure? A big part of it is because they have been using routines to try and attract women. And how can they be secure with themselves when they arnt being themselves around women? How cna they be secure when the method they use encourages them to be ashamed of being a man? Im of course talking about opinion openers here. A real man isnt afraid to go up and show his true masculine intent. No need to cover up his intentions why asking some opinion. He is a man and not ashamed of it. And really, you dont even need an opener. A opener is siimply an excuse to go up and start a conversation. Humans are social creatures, you dont need an excuse to go up and start being social. Needing an excuse (opener) is again, another limiting belief.

But all that said, its okay if your insecure. Its okay if you have an ego. I once did, a lot of people once did. Instead of trying to cover it up with routines, develop yourself so that you can rid yourself on insecurity and the ego.

Wish you the best.

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HAH! That's worthy of being a sig.

Why are you posting in a thread that was created specifically to avoid your attitude?

Are you really not seeing it?

I finally decided to officially admit it...

I no longer believe the MM is good...

There are just too much powerful arguments against it... People made a lot of valid points. And I have to be an idiot to ignore them...

Chief and Warped Mindless are obviously right and since I'm less experienced than them I'd be a fool to continue to argue with people that know what they are talking about...

I'm not gonna bash the MM, but I will just let go of it...



What if Mystery releases "Mystery Method Motherfucking 2 !!!!!!!"

and it turns out to be more powerful than anything we know?

Maybe that's what he's been up to since we last saw him. Gurus tend to do that.

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OK, so if by "practical" you mean that a linear step-by-step pickup model actually exists, then how is the M3 model superior in practicality over any other model such as AFC Adam's (C-R)+Q+SE=A model?
GWM provides a simple verbal method: http://www.gunwitch.com/seduction/verbalmethod.html

But you'll find it's not very complicated and it doesn't focus on what you would call stimulating conversation. It just gives you some shit to say... kinda

Like I've said before, MM makes people think their verbal game is more important than it actually is. Newbies will ask for ways to start and continue really awesome conversations with women because they think that actually has a heavy impact on seducing her. The more experienced guys know that seduction has a lot more to do with other things. Looks like you're under the impression that newbies should be given a fish when they ask for a fish instead of teaching them how to fish.
I agree with what you're saying but you should really start speaking for yourself.
The entire point of this thread is to get you to stop being dogmatic about MM and try other methods. Don't believe anything until you've tried it for yourself.

Ok, so it seems that we're currently asking for a relatively linear method of seduction that allows for natural game and development without becoming dogmatic.

I think this could be useful, but, honestly, a more useful model might be an "inner game model". Pickup is more of a function of who you are, rather than what you do, so why don't we get to the source of the issue?

Perhaps if we all work together on this, we could create a fairly accurate model to help newbies develop some game. Here's my own idea of what such a model would entail:

1. Realization and decision.
-Reach a point where you refuse to accept your current circumstances
-Commit to changing your current situation
-Decide what you really want
-Figure out what you need to do/who you need to be to accomplish this
-Realize that you are no longer the person you were before this decision
2. Initial action
-Plan a specific instance where you act congruently with your ideal self
-Continuously keep the ideas of your true self in mind
-Always look out for unplanned opportunities to act in your ideal manner
3. Reevaluation
-After planned initial action, two possibilities:
i. It went well, in which you give yourself positive reinforcement
ii. It went badly, in which case you figure out why it went badly
4. Continuously repeat steps 2 and 3


Anyway, that's kinda wordy and definitely could use some refining and some more input. Anyone wanna help out?

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I find these arguments of better or worse pretty useless to be honest.

I hate people who stick to specific methods and dont allow themselves to open up.
Granted, MM has flaws, but all in all it is a pretty great method of seduction. Can you yourself be Mystery by repeating his lines? No, you cant.

Seduction methods are guidelines. Take bits and pieces of everything and use what is congruent to your personality. Once you have that, you have your OWN seduction method. My friend and I used to argue this stuff all the time. He was a David X man me an MM man, until we realized that we are in fact our own men. I use MM in clubs because I find it works better there, and I go direct during daygame because it works better there.

Besides the fact that most successful dating coaches have been MM students in the past (including RSD guys, who have literally just copied the entire program), heres something no one bothers to think about: WOMEN ARE DIFFERENT.

Use different styles, depending on different types of girls, and more importantly HAVE FUN!

Who cares whats better or worse, take what works for you!

Belenos

1) Don't believe everything you have read in "The Game"
2) The current RSD (nuRSD) is nothing like MM.
3) David X is a really cool guy.

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1) regardless
2)once again.. who cares?
3)never said he wasnt

All Im saying is learnt the most you can from wherever you can and just apply it, see what works and what doesnt, thats all there is to it! The rest just doesnt matter.

^^ good post Belenos.

I also think the relevant posts regarding the strength and weaknesses of MM are pretty good content-wise, and I'd still love to see some posts like this for other methods, because I think that would be a relevant resource for many here.

RSD? (a more in-depth one)
David X?
Vin DC?
Sinn?
Love Systems?
Juggler?
GunW?
Ross Jeffries/SS?
PUA Training/Adam Lyons/Gambler?
Paragon Project?
Asian Playboy?

perhaps people with experience in these systems could post? When I have time I'll try to put something together for SS/MM/RSD which I have experience with. I'll also try to give you guys an overview of whats happening in NZD, and with Lookup Lifestyle (local NZ company), who I've done a bit of coaching for in the past.

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You god damn retard, you dont even see your own bullshit.

1. Women have a better intuition than men yes, but they do NOT FEEL WHAT YOU FEEL, that is a falacy. Your shit is taken DIRECTLY from "the female brain" which have been STRONGLY criticized by psychologists, its just not TRUE, its false.

2. Women cant see when you are "fake", only if you do a VERY bad job, your fucking mindset will cause people to became fucking paranoid.

3. You ALWAYS have an "ego", you CAN NOT get rid of it, its fucking IMPOSSIBLE, unless your a fucking monk, EVERY psychologist will tell you this, you are fucking NUTS if you think you can be ego less, fucking idiot belives in everything you read on rsdnation.

4. The reason people get angry is NOT because you're bashing a certain method, but because you're a fucking fanboy who have NO experience what so ever to make such stupid fucking arguments you make, they just dont make sense, and ANYONE who is good will see that from far. Its like you would say "Water is bad", then people get fucking angry at you because you are fucked up in your head, and then you think "you get angry because I mess with your water ego!! so Im right!! you are reactive!!" - Fucking maniac.

STILL, question, hows your fucking lay count? How long have you been in this game? Ive been in this shit since 2004, I have over 140lays, I have huge experience with MM, GWM, RSD and all the fucking teachings you can imagine, I would suggest my skill in this shit is probably x3000 of yours, and no you idiot this aint no fucking "ego feeding", its clear, simply facts.

Again, if you really read what Im saying is that I do not say MM is some great fucking superior method, but what I am saying is that your arguments are flat out SUCKY and Its so fucking easy to just see on your writing style that you're just some RSD brainwashed kid whos laycount is probably under 20, therefor you should probably keep your mouth shut and let the more experienced people talk, thankyou.

Oh and btw, she do NOT feel horny only because you are doing it smartass, if you're a high value guy then YES, she MIGHT, but if you're a sucky chody ugly rsdfanboy its exactly like when that fat ugly girl sits besides you and feel horny, you will feel disgusted.

Haha yeah sure np, just fun to se how "unreactive" this dude is.

Im also fucking annoyed of his arguments, lal.

thank you, i cleaned it up a bit tho but there is not much

Why is MM getting bashed on soo bad, its old and its not very advanced but its something that can help ppl who have been socially adjusted wrong. Of course theres better ways to learn other than MM but it reaches out to the ppl who have little social experience and are very analytical in their approach. They can build a step by step. No its not even close to perfect but its a guide the oblivious.
I personally dont like or dislike MM it is what is it is, most methods seems incomplete and need to be merged together to make a complete personalized method, this is obvously among them

MM is almost like the basics to indirect game and generally just the basics to game, its like the 101 class of college game 101, other classes being more advanced philosophies. things like 60 years challenge are new classes jsut developed etc.

MM and "The Game" have brought a lot of people into this community and for that I thank those things

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