Yo Chopper... your thread is by far the most real and raw one ive been reading.so many ups and downs...its crazy man!

Please update my man...

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Its time for a change....a huge Mother@#$@# change!

On the off chance you read this reply, I have an argument in favor of you to posting another update.

Consider any community built around self improvement, for the sake of example take fitness. What do you think the single biggest hurdle between an individual and success is? The question raises a multitude of potential answers, with so many exercises, schools of thought, techniques, nutritional choices, etc. it seems like there are countless places a person can make mistakes that would impede his or her progress.

The bottom line is that even if you screw up most or even all of that, you can still make progress so long as you show up. That's it, the single biggest obstacle to attaining a fitness goal is stopping the pursuit of it. It's not how you position your elbows when you do push ups, or whether your should eat bagels or SPAM, at least these things are insignificant in the face of failing to maintain your routine.

Take a look through this forum, how many journal style threads can you find with a handful of posts at best? How many people start going to the gym, make progress, feel empowered, and then for whatever reason stop?

I want to be clear here, I'm not assuming you have stopped 'going to the gym' so to speak with pick up. For all any of us know, you are carrying on growing and learning and overcoming, and just haven't had the time or been inclined to maintain your journal anymore. That being said, for all any of us know, something changed and you stopped the journey; you stopped going to the gym.

Of all the things the community could learn from your journal, seeing your successes and failures, distilling information on the art of conveying attractiveness and enjoying social success, the single most important thing any of us could learn from you is why you stopped, either pursuing pick up as a skill set, or if you still are, why you stopped recording it in a journal. People make journals and record progress to reinforce the single most important aspect of any personal journey (it's funny how similarities in words can illuminate connections between two concepts), and that is not giving up.

Now maybe you're still firing on all cylinders and just don't see the value in the journal, but that is useful information on its own. Or, if on the other hand, you have stopped trying to transform yourself, please tell us what changed. You certainly don't owe it to me or anyone else, but you already put a ton of effort into making this (very informative and entertaining) thread, why not finish it off? (Or just let us know that its on hiatus)

Thanks for the thread up to this point in any event, its been fun following your progress.

agreed x10!!!

hope to hear from u soon chopper. u were this forum's joe dirt. we're all rooting for u, because we are u.

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have u ever danced with the devil in the pale moonlight?

I'm alive

I'm really busy right now (remember the "My sister is in her third trimester, what should I buy her? opener...well she just had her baby!), but I will talk about the end of my trip with you guys very soon. I have a LOT that I want to put in my last post, which is why I have been putting it off for so long, but once I get it organized I'll type it up. Stay tuned for a long post in the next couple of days...

Chopper

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"Losers always whine about their best. Winners go home and fuck the prom queen."

Glad you're alive!

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Okay, so I have decided that I am going to split this into multiple posts because it is going to be long. The first post(s) will be about the game that I did at the end of my trip that I did not write about. The final post(s) will be my reflection back on the trip as a whole and I will answer some questions that I'm sure you guys all have.

As I mentioned before, I took about a week and a half off of game to do med school stuff. Then, once my buddy came in from New York City, we started to get serious. The first full day he was there, we were on a walk around the area and we were brainstorming things to do during the week. We were on the topic of going to a comedy show at a certain theater, and an HB6 began walking next to us. I opened her and asked if she knew where the theater was, but she didn't know. We talked a bit more about random stuff like us both being new to Austin and what we moved here for. Then I brought up my favorite conversational topic: fun stuff to do in the city. This is great because there are a million ideas to talk about and I can talk about some obscure stuff that is really fun (like that Monday-night blues bar) that I can use for a number close later on. So once I got the chance, I spoke highly of that place...
Me: "Yeah, one of my favorite places so far is this bar called TC's Lounge. They have an AWESOME blues band on Monday nights, and it is a super laid-back SPAM with dancing a great music."
HB6: "That sounds really cool, those are just the type of places that I look for!"
See how easy that was? I made the place sound interesting, which piqued her interest. Now we just talked about other topics until we parted ways. As we were about to part from each other I just said:
"Hey me and some friends are going to that bar this Monday, I'll call you and you can come hang out with us." (hand her phone)

Up to this point, I had about 9 number closes, of which I had tried to contact 7 of them. All 7 were flakes, so that was clearly something that I needed to work on. For all of those I had waited about 1-2 days to send a text to the girl, so this time I sent one about 10 mins after meeting her.
"Hey this is the coolest person you've met in the last 15 minutes, now you have my number too. -Chopper-"
She responded almost right away with "Haha!"

So I thought she was going to be my first non-flake, but I texted her the next day with a random conversational topic (I think I said "There are so many bats under this bridge! Have you ever gone to see them?" note- that's one of the touristy things to do in Austin) but she didn't respond. I ended up not texting or calling to invite her out because she didn't respond to that text. This was certainly lame on my part- I had nothing to lose by shooting her a quick phone call, and I should have tried to get her to come out still.

I like some of the things that I did with this girl. Talking about a really fun place to hang out makes a number close pretty simple, and I like the quick text right afterwards while she still has good emotions going from your interaction. However, I shouldn't have given up so easily after she didn't respond to one text message.

A couple of nights later, we went out to a beer pong tournament. This was my first time drinking during the entire trip, and I finally understand why people say that it takes away the approach anxiety. After we got knocked out of the tourny, we were a very happy form of drunk, and we just walked up and down the street opening everything in sight. However, we weren't being very serious about it. The only two openers I used were:
"Would you like to go back to my apartment and play Shoots and Ladders?" (Read that somewhere in this forum)
and
"According to Megan's Law, I have to tell you I'm a registered sex offender. Hi, I'm [Chopper]." (this was in Tucker Max's book)
So in other words, we were just having fun and entertaining each other. A couple of sets actually hooked, which I wasn't expecting at all. I delivered the sex offender line to a 7 set of all girls, and they thought it was hilarious. We talked to them for about 15 minutes, but some of them were working in the bar that we were standing in front of so they had to go back in and work. The night was fun as hell, and it was a huge lesson in busting AA. We had no expectations other than to have fun, and that's exactly what we did.

To be continued...

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"Losers always whine about their best. Winners go home and fuck the prom queen."

The next night we went out with one of my buddy's friends from college. A little back story here- He has been trying to fuck this girl since day 1 at the University, which was five years ago. She has been a huge tease the entire time. She will make sexual jokes with him, kino him like crazy, and will make out with him but has never gone farther. The last time he saw her was a year ago, and he has changed a lot since then. Now he knows about game, he doesn't put up with her shit, and he looks and acts a lot differently. So he was excited at the chance to hang out with her and finally close her. Even better, she was bringing a friend along as well so I would have a target too.

Well it turned out that my "target" was a gigantic bitch. She was not hot at all, maybe a 6. She had a decent body but her face was tough and she had really short hair, which I am not into. But she had the worst attitude out of anybody I have met in a long time. Everything she said was negative. She was very cynical, and she was always trying (and failing) to DHV herself to all of us. So the night ended up being pretty boring. I basically ignored her the entire time. I talked to my buddy some and his target a bit (I knew her a little bit in college as well). We ended up calling it a night after we invited them to go and eat and they bitched about the place being too far away. It was about a 5 minute drive but that was way too much for them. So they dropped us off at home, I left the car and my buddy's target made out with him a bit, then they left. I wish I could have winged him a little better and distracted the obstacle, giving him a chance to isolate his target, but I couldn't stand that girl for much longer. So he didn't get his chance to close her.

The next day she (his target) invited us out again. I helped him create a text message that was basically do-or-die. It was something like:
"Listen [target], we have had a great relationship for a long time, but sometimes you put a wall up around yourself. The only way I will hang out with you tonight is if we finish what we started five years ago."
I forgot the exact wording, but that was the gist of it. She ended up replying with something like "Sorry babe, I like you but I'm not looking for a one-night thing"...so we were done with her for the rest of the trip.

To be continued...

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I forgot to mention this story. The day of the beer pong tournament, we also took a trip during the day down to San Antonio just to do some of the touristy things down there. It is a 1.5 hr drive from Austin, and halfway there we stopped at a fast food restaurant to eat.

During our meal, a gorgeous HB8.5 sat down behind us alone. I could see her but my friend couldn't, but I leaned to him and said "I really wanna go direct on this girl." He encouraged me to do so, but my heart was beating like crazy and I could feel myself getting short of breath. I had only done the one other direct approach on this trip, and it went terribly because I spoke way too fast and mumbled and did everything else wrong that I could have. As we were getting ready to leave, he went to the bathroom, and I just thought "Fuck it. Let's do this!"

She was facing away from me, so I lightly touched her arm while walking up to her. I spoke very calm and clear this time...
Me: "Hey, this is very forward of me, but I saw you from over there and I had to come and tell you that you are drop dead gorgeous."
HB8.5: (a huge smile spreads across her face) "Well thank you!"
Me: "And actually, I live 1400 miles away from here, so I'm not even going to ask for your phone number or anything...I just wanted to give you the compliment."
HB8.5: (still has a huge smile, like I just completely made her day) "Well thank you, that's so sweet."

Then I just walked away and went to the car. I have to tell you, this was the BIGGEST adrenaline rush I have had since I last went skydiving. It was an amazing feeling to just go for it, and to have her react so positively. I was pumped for a while after that .

So that brings us to the last night of the trip. We started off on West 6th st, which is more upscale than normal 6th. I tried to get into one bar, because the wing that I met in Texas was working a bootcamp with Adam there, and I wanted to check it out. Unfortunately, I got rejected from the bar because I had an iron cross on my shirt. Apparently they hate graphic T's in that area, because it is mainly young professionals, so I couldn't get in. We decided to head down to normal 6th street where they are much less picky.

We were walking around one bar and I decided to turn this into a game. My NYC buddy is still pretty new and he had AA, so I kept giving him little mini-missions to do. I would show him the clock on my phone and say "You have until 1:13 to open someone." Then I would say "You have until 1:17 to open with kino." And we were progressing from there. This is a great thing to do with a wing, because it is step-by-step and pretty simple stuff. Well, he started having some fun and giving me missions as well.

To be continued...

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"Losers always whine about their best. Winners go home and fuck the prom queen."

One of the missions he gave to me was "You have 2 minutes to open two chubbies." Lol...I take a quick look around the first floor of the club, and spot 4 girls in a booth. Three of them are big girls, and I go over and open right away. I don't remember what I said, but I realized quickly that the 4th girl was actually pretty cute, a decent HB6 with a good body. The set hooks instantly and I sit down next to the cute girl. My buddy realizes that this mission isn't ending quickly, so he comes and joins. About 2 minutes in, HB6 tells me that she gives great lap dances, which was one of about 3 massive IOI's she had given me so far. I responded something like "Well maybe you'll earn your shot at proving that to me." Then I continued talking with her friends a bit. After about 5 minutes, two of the friends leave, which means it's just four of us. I take my target's hand and take her to the dance floor (leaving my buddy and one obstacle behind).

After about 30 seconds of grinding, I turn her to face me and start making out with her. I escalate soon, and start feeling her tits (above her dress). No resistance whatsoever. I turn her around again, back to me, grab a fistful of her hair, and bend her over doggy style and keep grinding her. No resistance. I pull her back up, and soon start rubbing her pussy outside of her dress. No resistance. More making out, and suddenly I realize that I can probably fuck this girl in the bathroom of the club. As soon as I decide that I am going to try for it, she gets a text from her friend. It says something along the lines of "He left me, I'm alone downstairs." She turns around and says she has to go find her friend. She grabbed my hand and took my downstairs with her, then when she found her friend her friend told her they were leaving. So my target looks at me and says "We're going to [different bar], it was nice meeting you."

So I guess my buddy got sick of the obstacle and decided to leave her alone and walk around. The obstacle was definitely the alpha female, so once she texted my target had no choice but to leave. I made fun of my buddy for being a bad wing, but I sort of did the same thing to him the night before by ignoring his obstacle so we were kinda even. It still sucked to come so close but end up getting fucked over by the alpha female. I guess handling the logistics is just another part of game to master, and the logistics of that situation weren't in the right place.

We still stayed out and gamed more, but nothing too interesting happened after that. I used the "Shoot and Ladders" opener about 10 more times after the club closed, and got some laughs but nothing more.

I'll write up my final reflection on the trip soon

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"Losers always whine about their best. Winners go home and fuck the prom queen."

You seem like a totally different guy from the one that started the thread.

Full of confidence, and your now giving lessons to your friends.

Im a recovering AFC who only just bought 'The Game' today. Your an inspiration mate. Hope to reach your level sometime!

Awesome, totally awesome.

Rock on Chopper_Six!

Just finished reading all 11 pages, and I'll I can say is Chopper you my friend are money, and this thread is pure win! Such an inspiration!

Haha, I was just reading the last few updates, and was going to say the EXACT thing.

Especially the part about the lap dance girl, that was SO fucking money right there.

Good work man, keep it up. I might even go back and read this thread from the beginning, I need some motivation as of late.

Oh, and HighGrade, it's nice to know I'm not the only one who still says "money", haha.

Oi oi Chopper, I love this thread, I just wanna big you up geez! Really inspirational. Your thread has prompted me to document my own personal journey

Come on, keep us informed chopper