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PostPosted: Thu Jun 17, 2010 12:05 am 
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Why does it hurt for a girl who is a virgin if you have sex with her for the first time
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hymen

It breaks if still intact thus causing pain.
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man shut up
Not acceptable. Cut it out, now. Thanks.
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I agree I have very low respect for women.
This is probably a key reason why if you do get into a relationship at any point it wont last. Since you like using the term alpha so much, I will put it into that context.
To respect someone is incredibly alpha, it shows you notice peoples positive traits but are not threatened by them. Respect people and most of the time they will respect you back.
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I can explain why here but it would take a very long depressing post.
If its as bad as you say, go and see a professional in the mental health field.
However, if its just ......
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I loved my ex gf dearly and she stepped on my heart
Then get a grip. Women have had their heart broken just as much as men, it is not an excuse to have these negative views of an entire sex.
Prejudiced is never alpha so try to be more open to the possibility not everyone is as bad as the last.
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I don't like sharing women.
There is a fundamental problem in your thought here. You do not own any woman, therefore she is not yours to share or not. This all links back to respect.
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she is not your girl, if someone better comes along, they are gone.
What you say in words and what I am reading between the lines are two very different things. You want her to be yours and cannot deal with the uncertainty if she isn't.
As for if something better comes along, wouldn't you?
Now, this is where you have a messed up idea of better.
Hotter,smarter etc are traits you will NEVER BE THE BEST AT. There will always be a guy who is smarter/sexier/braver/stronger/etc than you are - deal with it. However, I strongly believe there is something more to love than those things. I may be a little fairy tale style when I say that, but I bet there are women you see as near perfect that another guy my see as the worst thing ever. Personal choice makes a massive difference, people are willing to compromise on some things while not on others making them almost uniquely attracted to certain people.
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This makes me insecure and makes me think that all girls are sluts.
You have identified yourself that its your fucked up view of reality that is causing the problem, not them. What are you doing to put yourself back in the real world so you can actually be happy?

Hope this has given you some things to think about.

Madals


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PostPosted: Thu Jun 17, 2010 2:32 am 
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Men, in olden times, wanted to control the outflow of sex. Since women "gave" sex, men tried to control the women. They defined a woman they didn't have control over as a "slut", which was derogatory, and they enhanced the image of the woman they could control.

So there's why. Good news is, it's beginning to matter less and less every day.
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Explain "female game." Perhaps they are overcomplicating things?
You mean like how EVERY male PUA does?

Turn something into a "game" and you're going to make some unnecessary rules for yourself.


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PostPosted: Thu Jun 17, 2010 4:22 am 
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Hey everyone,

I was just wondering this PUA stuff is all about picking up women and sleeping with them right? The majority of PUAs are out to have a good time and not settle into a LTR straight away - I mean if I have it correct and please do correct me if I am wrong, PUAs are basically man whores who are completely glorified for their pick up skills which lure women into bed.

Right?

Ok so, why is it so different for a woman to be a mad pick up artist? And don't give me that shit that women cannot or should not pick up men. If a woman is a mad pick up artist who manages to fuck a whole bunch of men, why is she not considered a hero like the man is? Why is she considered a SLUT (which is a horrible word and extremely offensive to most women)?

And why are women who aren't even sluts called them? If a girl goes out to have a good time and flirts a little with boys or whatver, why is she called a slut? And why do so many guys believe that a woman can never change - if she used to be a party girl, who's to say deep down she isn't desperate to be a housewife and was just enjoying her youth? It makes me sick guys who call women sluts and that even a PUAs game can't change her from a skank to a loving wife - I mean what does that say about the game anyways? If you can't get the most "challenging" woman to do what you want her to do, then obviously your game is fucked and you deserve to have a 2 cent whore rather than a fun party girl.

Sorry for the ranting and raving - a very close friend of mine has been fucked over hard and I just wanted to put this out there for any male opinions.
Ok GirlfriendofaPUA I don’t know if you really want the answer or if you are just ranting. So I will give a short and long answer.

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Because society would fall apart if women did not call other women sluts.

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What is going on is the last vestiges’ of the Victorian morals system. We have evolution of reciprocal altruism in progress.

The Victorian value system is based on small communities (which is probably closer to our actual genetic instructions). In a small community it made much more since to display generous, honorable characteristics (raise everyone’s boat if you will) because later on down the road some one would repay the favor; it also made since to appear chaste because you could bestow by right of virtue to your husband honorable and chaste characteristics to him. These values directly influenced and affected his social value and wealth in the community and by proxy hers.
As societies grew and urban centers began to be formed; the strategy of lying and deception became the favorable strategy. Relationships with people became shorter and people moved away or lost contact. In this environment the strategy of generosity and honorable actions is no longer rewarded and lost its competitive edge. It is natural for our society’s behaviors to adapt to our environment in such a manner.

Why the Victorian society frowns on promiscuous women.

Polygamy laws actually protect society not women and a polygamous situation would be a favorable society to a woman. Let us imagine that there are 100 men and women all perfectly matched for each other in terms of value (ie her reproduction vs his survival)

Now imagine that polygamy is legal and the woman can marry any man she wants. Would she choose ;given the fact that there are no societal constraints; to be the only wife of the ”sort of” handsome taco bell worker…or the third wife of the attractive and powerful investment banker? Financial, physically and reproductively it would make more sense for her to marry the investment banker…and statistically on a whole that’s what would happen.

So now we have a whole lower class society of single low paid males running around. Can you guess who the majority (92%) of violent crimes are committed by in a society? That’s right. Low class, single males.

So being a slut is not a bad thing for you singularly. If you want to adapt and change your strategy with men. Do it. That’s what PUAs have done. However remember that society as whole will cease to function peacefully if all women do it. That is why there is so much social pressure not to; we have evolved through trial and error.

SO THANK YOU FOR NOT BEING A SLUT

much love
-R


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PostPosted: Thu Jun 17, 2010 9:36 am 
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Good boy! ;)

Actually, this was what I was after! The realization what all this came from. I feel for you man, I really do! It hurts like hell! But you know, are you gonna let that get the best of you or are you gonna do something about it? What that girl did to you was cruel. People shouldnt hurt each other. Cheating is another story. Not the same as having sex with a lot of people while no strings attached.

But you have choosen to step into a world where people have sex. And through PUA you will be one of them. So like it or not, you need to wake up and see the reality. People who can have sex do have sex. People who can easily find sexpartners do. The only ones who calls them sluts are the people who are lagging behind, not getting as many partners as the ones they call sluts. It is just jealousy. You would do the same if you could.

Basically, you need to treat everybody with respect. This should be your primary goal, before you learn anything at all about pickup. Not only would I sleep better at night knowing that you turn intop a good person but it will also help your game. Girls arent actually more attracted to disrespectful jerks thats a pickup myth. They are attracted to alpha males, end of story.

As for the vagina thing... The first time is special, stuff breaks. For the rest, if a girl has a lot of sex her vagina will adapt to that, but if she stops for a while it will go back. Age of course is an issue...

lol Ezo, thanks man. I have some fucked up believes in my head cuz of that ex gf. She was so mean and I loved her so much. I respected her so much though and things started off really good. I can't believe it ended the way it did.

anyway thank you a lot for your post. I must say that I am very jealous too if I care about someone, but Im working on that.

Peace mate :wink:

And Madals, thank you too man. I respect you a lot man, lol I posted a story about my girlfriend who should not go on a 2000 dollar trip to australia about a year ago. Dunno if you remember, hahah guess what, it was about that girl. She did not come along. lol So glad you insisted the bitch could not go! My mom is happy she did not come either afterwards lol
Thanks for giving good insights

Oh and btw, a quick question :? regarding to the topic. I dunno if its jealousy, but I suffer from this:

http://www.dearcupid.org/question/i-can ... -past.html

People say get over it, but I find it hard to get over. Thats why I already know I won't get married.
How do you guys feel about that stuff, or do you simply not care

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 17, 2010 5:28 pm 
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Do you want to speak to some of the female members like Zip or Bonita about how easy female game is?
Explain "female game." Perhaps they are overcomplicating things?

As Hobbit just posted:
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There is this often cited study (no idea where/who/what/if its even real) about walking up to strangers and asking the opposite gender for sex. Guys almost all agreed and women all rejected the offer.
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I spent a week in budapest with Jezebel when we were dating, and she worked for every set, hell she (GOD FORBID) lost a couple of sets!
Perhaps a cultural thing in Budapest?
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Condoms... we have moved forward, HUZZZAH!
So? What does that have to do with millenia old biological adaptations to make women more selective about who they sleep with?
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The reason a girl will worry while she is alone is becuase of forced guilt, in the same way a member of a cult will feel guilt for blaspheming the group leader.
Yes, and? We agree that a lot of the issue is social conditioning. That STILL means a woman is harder to lay than a guy. Guys don't worry about forced guilt, so they are easier.
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There is no crime committed in a girl fucking a guy, BUT she does believe that being a whore is a bad thing. And will worry about what she will think about herself.
Yes, which makes her less likely to sleep with someone. A problem guys, for the most part, do not share... which makes them easier.

A guys entire evaluation on an offer of sex will be:


No where in there is he worrying what his friends will think, what he will think of himself, nor is there a biological fear that he may spend the rest of his life rearing a child without a provider, or that the condom could break and he'd get pregnant. Hell, even though a condom break would mean the shared risk of child rearing men can just run from that. They do it all the time!

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Ideally, as long as people are keeping it safe and consensual. There is no real reason to discourage women from sleeping with who they want to.
I agree completely, but women talk themselves out of it all the time.
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Or praising them for getting what they want sexually. I think it does men a great injustice when we assume that woman hold all the power in the dating world.
Well, they pretty much do. No woman ever launched a thousand ships to get her man back!
1. Exactly as chief responded, everyone is over-complicating PU. It's actually a very simple process.

2. Don't know about cultural differences but eastern european countries usually value women less in their societies, so it SHOULD have been easier in Budapest. I'll take a look into the study, cheers for the heads up!

3. More selective over who they sleep with? Who says that's the way it is staying? Or indeed that it is the biological imperitive that it remains? The introduction of condoms is going to erode that selectiveness. Maybe not in relationships and partnering, but definatly with sex.

4. In that respect, I agree, us men have less social constraints to put up with.

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A females evaluation of a potential lay.
1) Is he hot?
2) Is there a catch?
3) Is he hot enough I don't care about the catch?

I'd consider the problem with "friends thinking this" toi be in the catch department.
As for the pregnancy stuff, with it's utility gone, the behaviour should begin to dis-appear; though it can certainly be considered a factor now.

6. Ah Great so we ARE on the same page.

7. No woman has ever had the power to launch a thousand ships to get her man back. Trust me, women are quite capable of going bat shit insane becuase they lose their guy!

The best action is to work around the slut mentality. It's there, but it won't be long before the ball starts truly rolling and things shift.

I think we can agree that their is almost no credible sense in the slut mentality left. The sooner it's gone and the problems that "it" solved, replaced with more efficient and free solutions; the better.


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Don't know about cultural differences but eastern european countries usually value women less in their societies, so it SHOULD have been easier in Budapest. I'll take a look into the study, cheers for the heads up!
Valuing women less doesn't mean anything about acceptance of sexuality. If their culture/belief system demonizes sex enough both men and women will be less likely to go for sex outside of marriage. With women being valued less, they are again even less likely to do so since a part of their value may be their chasteness... which could leave men pretty damn confused when some western chick comes up offering sex.



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More selective over who they sleep with? Who says that's the way it is staying? Or indeed that it is the biological imperitive that it remains? The introduction of condoms is going to erode that selectiveness. Maybe not in relationships and partnering, but definatly with sex.
Thousands of years of evolution do not go away with a couple generations worth of effective birth control and safer child births. (I know condoms have been around for hundreds of years, but our evolution goes back millennia.)
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A females evaluation of a potential lay.
1) Is he hot?
2) Is there a catch?
3) Is he hot enough I don't care about the catch?
You've oversimplified 1, given that we KNOW a woman's level of attraction is based on more than just physical characteristics.

And you left out the slut mentality that you ADMIT exists. This is disingenuous at best.
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I'd consider the problem with "friends thinking this" toi be in the catch department.
As for the pregnancy stuff, with it's utility gone, the behaviour should begin to dis-appear; though it can certainly be considered a factor now.
We're talking about now.

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7. No woman has ever had the power to launch a thousand ships to get her man back. Trust me, women are quite capable of going bat shit insane becuase they lose their guy!
There have been female world leaders you know...

Besides, how many other women just go out and hook up every night? Because they can, and without spending years studying PUA material at that!

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The best action is to work around the slut mentality. It's there, but it won't be long before the ball starts truly rolling and things shift.

I think we can agree that their is almost no credible sense in the slut mentality left. The sooner it's gone and the problems that "it" solved, replaced with more efficient and free solutions; the better.
I don't think the slut mentality will go away. It is something women inflict on themselves, as I said in my first post.


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