9/10 times, giving advice to someone is a complete waste of time.

I'd be thankful if this board got closed.

Here's why:

The focus usually lies towards ONE GIRL, this one girl and this one guy. There are so MANY factors involved in a one on one interaction, even more when others join in. Social interaction is abstract.

Focus on the outlines of an interaction. Don't overcomplicate it. Keep it simple stupid.
This weeds out alot of factors and allows us to focus on the core of an interaction, which leads me to my second point:

DETAILS, there either are none, or too many, or one side of the story:

"how do I make her like me?"
"she did this and this and this and that and this and that, how do I make her like me?"

This gives us JACKSHIT to work with. She did this and this? and what the hell did you do to evoke those reactions?

History. Often guys come on this board asking: "I've been talking to this girl for ~any number~ of months....(stop reading, give up, find a new girl)"


You've had such a long history with a girl it's almost impossible to make her change into liking you. The easiest solution is also the best: find a new girl, make yourself more attractive


HOW-TO-ASK FOR ADVICE:

i-cant-pick-up-the-topdog-vt63228.html? ... iel+gamble

Rafiel focusses in this post on the outlines of a particular type of girl. He asks how to seduce that kind of female, INSTEAD OF "yeah, i met this girl tonight, how do i get her"



-Jav



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I think it'd be an awfull good idea to allow each user 2 threads on this board, so people would actually think before asking something, as in formulate clever questions which I can answer using my own cleverness. Instead of copy-pasting: "GFTOW", "give up and find a new girl" or "why are you asking us?"

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What a stupid thread, seriously. People should be able to post what they want and how they want it. If based on what they post you are not capable of giving the right advice, you just don't reply or you ask for further clarification. This forum doesn't need to be bullet proof science. I think many people have gotten useful advice on this forum. I have ofter read and I still read the forum because I have learned so much from here and I still am. So why the hell is your negativity coming from ? Let people continue what they are doing.

Bc people can ask what they want they get stuck. They get so used to getting the answers just by asking instead of searching for them which is pro-active attitude and is attractive.

This forum is filled with information. Putting effort into learning stuff by actively seeking it makes learning it easier. This is a psychological effect. You want to get something to balance the effort you put into finding it. Thus makes you more motivated. Contrary to asking lame questions.

People will get the right advice, if they ask the right questions. IF they don't do that, they get jackshit and I have wasted my time on a lost cause.


-Jav


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Don't get mad because someone tells you not to do something. It's all ment to be helpfull

You've gotta understand something here as well. Not all of the people are here to learn the entire game/method or this-specific-part of the game. Oh no, there is just not enough time for that.

Some people are just too fucking lazy to learn that way. They want ultrafast advice given to them ASAP by some people from a forum that are "supposedly great with women" and can provide them with magical answers.

Oh nooo, I like this one girl and she doesn't like me back! I'm too lazy to provide you with any details of my situation, but since you all have magic powers - PLEASE HEEELP ME MASTERSSSSS......

And you know what Jav? There is not a single thing you can do about this and it leaves you with two choices: Ignore them and hope they will find the light some day, or feed them with the little piece of advice that you can possibly provide.

Personally, I jump between those two choices from time to time.
People gotta learn how to ask the right question.

I like a girl. Tell me how to get her

How the hell do you reply to that? Believe me, I've seen threads like those. It makes me wanna break my computer screen.

Point is, if you want help with something - you gotta ask it the right way. We don't know SHIT about your life and your current situation, so give us as much (necessary) details as possible. Don't be a fucking ass.

At least, that's how I view this.

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I agree with Panda and Jav. We are living in generations of 'fast', 'now', 'effortless', 'painless'... it's that way for so many things. People are after the quick fix, the magic wand as Panda puts it.

They want to loose 15lbs watching the tv and drinking beer. No one want to eat carefully and work it out.They don't want to work hard earn good money and invest it, they want to win the lottery. We all want clean air and water, but won't want to walk more then 10 min. Boys want to drop the a-bomb line that they can say to any girl with her responding 100-% of the time with "Please allow me to suck your cock". They don't want to learn it in a way that will make them understand. They don't really want to be better men or really learn about women.

The world is lazy. Not becoming lazy, that was years ago. We live in a world where work is not recognized, only results.

If 99% of the posts here are either ego stroking (if you don't believe me, go read some of the field reports) or already answers 5 threads down the page. But hey, I'll still stick around for the 1%.

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Wet your beak in the stream
Game we're playing is life
Love is a two way dream

I'm trying to teach people certain things about receiving and giving advice.


This is an excellent post.

And what is wrong with people being lazy ? It is their right to be so. If you don't want to answer them, then don't. Leave everyone the option to decide as he wishes. If I want to help a lazy person, who are you to deny me that right ? If someone else wants an easy and fast answer, who are you to deny him that right ? Not everyone has to read all the literature related to PUA.

nowhere does he say you shouldn't be allowed to give the lazy advice. he is just saying that people need to learn to ask so as to be able to get applicable advice most definitely.

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Every Saint has a Past, Every Sinner has a Future

The advice to any guy wanting to know how to game a particular girl is found in (I believe) Part 2 of Gunwitch's Manual. This is free on his website so no AFCs have a reason to complain.

In this Gunwitch talks about the use of INFERENCE rather than INDUCTION to base your actions with a girl. What he means is that you have to infer something from the individual facts at hand rather than induce something from knowledge of women in general - reason being, all women are different and if you had grand knowledge of women you wouldn't be in this situation in the first place.

Now, Gunwitch agrees that after much experience you can develop the ability to use inductive reasoning with women, but still that is usually accomplished by grouping her with SIMILAR girls that you have dealt with in the past. This is the reason if you post your questions to AFC Adam he is going to be able to give you solid advice - this doesn't mean you wont make him frustrated.

That being said, I still agree with Jav that FINDING A NEW GIRL is the best solution, with the time and effort required to bag your oneitis hb you could acquire the knowledge and skills you WILL need, REGARDLESS, when she inevitably leaves you for someone cooler.

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i thought this forum was for help, i mean i know a lot of people abuse it and ask for help with things they 9/10 could have figures out themselves but i like to think they are looking for a different approach than what they already have in mind

no reason to get upset or resent them, if you dont want to help dont, but if you've been in a similar situation and would like to share your experience it could benefit them 2 not have to go through what you did

just saying

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que sara sare, LET THAT SHIT RIDE

If i hadnt have joined this forum, i probably wouldnt have realised how much of twat i have been acting about one girl.

the best thing about coming on here is that you can be blunt as hell. either people choose to ignore it and carry on in the way they always have, or they choose to act.

sometimes people just need a kick up the ass to make them see where they're going wrong.

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They Misunderestimated Me...

why are people somehow taking this thread as "nobody should need help"?

This is about the fact that so many new guys ask questions in ways that no one can really answer with any guaranteed accuracy.

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Guys, read the whole thread before posting.



I don't resent ALL questions, just most of them. I mean, everybody weeds out the stupid things. You're not gonna place a cripple person with no legs and expect it to drive the car (unless the car has been modified) that's just plain stupid.

Don't hate me coz I'm doing the same with your questions.