Being a man! Yes I made out with a dude.



Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 20 guests
Post new topic Reply to topic   Board index » Get Into The Game: New Forum Members Start Here » PUA Lounge




Author Message
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Sun Jan 10, 2010 1:48 am 
Offline
MPUA Forum Enthusiast

Joined: Tue Jul 14, 2009 12:52 pm
Posts: 32
A line needs to be drawn with this type of stuff. Kissing a dude for me is just bloody unnatural. Sure with my best mates i hug them, but the only time i have ever kissed a guy was when me and my best mate pecked each other on the lips to lure a girl who was flirting with both of us on the dancefloor (bit of a tipsy thing but hey i was a younger guy back then).


Top
   
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Sun Jan 10, 2010 2:18 am 
Offline
Moderator
User avatar

Joined: Sun Nov 11, 2007 2:04 pm
Posts: 4238
Ok Im sick and tired of this discussion! My original post has lost its meaning as well because you guys cant look past whatever scares you so much.


There is NO line that needs to be drawn!!!!!

There is NO need for any kind of communal agreement on what is right and wrong!

There is NOBODY here that has any right to judge me or anybody here for what they did!

There is NOBODY who can tell me what my sexuality is!!! I KNOW myself!

I am NOT turning gay!

I did NOT fuck up! I was in control! It was NOT a big deal!




Sorry guys but this pisses me off! There are a LOT of NEWBIES with a postcount of like below 50 that try to judge ME! What do you know about inner game? Can you even begin to comprehend the situation??? The mechanism behind it??? You do NOT know what you are talking about. You just sit there and FEEL stuff. THINK instead! I got massive amounts of experience on this stuff, you might have stuff to learn from me.

If you seriously want to understand and get better at this then I will help you out. But if you are just trying to tell me how disgusted you are and how I crossed the border... I DONT care! They are your borders, not mine! If that kind of thing disgusts you then DONT DO IT!!!!! I can deal with it! You cant!

And finally, isnt it interesting that none of the GOOD people, none of the EXPERIENCED people on this forum has said anything judgemental about this. Maybe they actually understand what this post is really about!


Sorry again for telling you this in a very clear and honest way but it really starts to piss me off.

Ezo


Top
   
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Sun Jan 10, 2010 2:20 am 
Offline
MPUA Forum Enthusiast
User avatar

Joined: Fri Jul 31, 2009 11:04 pm
Posts: 48
Yahoo Messenger: Stash_box83
AOL: cdblock354
Location: NYC a.k.a The Rotten Apple
well i get why you did what you did so i give it up to ya even though i would not do it myself.i mean i know im not gay and as yuck as it sounds i would kiss a guy but you have to have a gun to my head or something like that cuz just something i cant see me doing for a female but i tip my hat to ya

_________________
Im on my G-mac s**t so put that ho on the squad


Top
   
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Sun Jan 10, 2010 6:19 am 
Offline
Dedicated Member
User avatar

Joined: Wed Mar 04, 2009 12:55 am
Posts: 763
What The FUCK ! (Moderators, Sorry I don't usually Curse but this thread is getting blown apart). I didn't think at first that it would be worth answering to this thread but I see that the discussion is getting skewed and since no one is stepping in I thought I should share my 2cents for what its worth

Posters what the Fuck in the world are you guys talking about !! Gay, No inner game, someone said that the original poster(OP) does not have sexual confidance !! Do you guys even know what the heck you are talking about.

Ezo, I know you dont need anyone to drive your point home but whatever......... I would share my 2cents anyways. :lol: :lol:

You fucking morons, firstly who the hell says that Gay men aren't Alpha. Do you even know what an Alpha Male is !! The original poster (I have read his posts) is a pretty good PUA and the number of women he must have slept with is higher than the number of sets you must have approached in your life.... What has being Alpha got to do with ones sexual preferance. An Alpha male is a protector of love ones, leader of men, someone who can take charge in crisis some one who is a provider. And what has all this got to do with ones sexual preference !!
Quote:
So this was a thread on how awesome you are...
You keep on telling everyone that it is not a big deal for you.


I dont believe you.

You took all the work to write a kind of long post. The title was obviously intended to maximize the WTF factor. So dont say it wasnt a big deal, you wanted all this attention............I dont like when people start pulling wacky stunts to get laid.

Ezo, you are obviously proud of kissing that guy. Not because you are gay ore something like that. You are proud of a wacky stunt you did.
Mr. Amador, you are one of the more experienced PUAs in this thread hence kindly don't take my curse words as addressing you.

To you comments, I dont think that is the case with the OP. He is making a point here. I agree with you that he isn't completely 'I dont care' with kissing the guy but at the same time I don't think it is to draw attention. I read the post as a guy who was given a test and how he handled it - his prospective.

Besides, What is wrong with pulling wacky stunts if that is who you are and thats how your game is. I dont advocate deceiving or cheating a girl but a lot of people do body rocking (Mystery Method) or showing no interest at first to the girl that they are attracted to, how is that any different !!
Quote:
Man... there are way more efficent ways to AMOG a guy than kissing him.

Why didnt you reframe it as he being gay or needy or that he secretly likes you. Or why didnt you just pull the girls away...
Or why werent you just honest and tell the girls that he is trying to AMOG you by kissing you.

Guys are just ugly girls. And kissing an ugly girl isnt cool.
Why bother to do any of the above when the OP just thought of kissing the guy. He doesn't have a problem with it and so as long as he would move ahead in the conv. why suggest other ways and ask him to reframe. He was spontaneous and he did what came to his mind and was successful. You might handle it differently and it might work for you but doesn't mean that one way is better than the other.
Quote:
It's loving everyone. It's showing respect for everything unless they prove that they don't deserve it.
Hell NO There are different ways of showing love. I wouldn't kiss another guy. I personally would be wierded out But thats just my choice not the OP's.

Quote:
......But I'm saying that if you kiss a guy just to get a girl you're lower value by definition.
I ..........WTF. Some random girl made you kiss a guy just because she's hot.
I would understand if you would be gay or bisexual than at least you would enjoy it. .................But you put the girl automaticaly above you just by doing something you dont like doing. Alpha would never do that.

If you're really alpha you can pickup another hot girl without doing something you dont like doing.
Where did you get that idea about Low-high value. You approach a girl because she is hot; does that automatically mean that you have lower value for initiating a conversation, Hell no ! - Its not what you do but how you do it. And has nothing to do with value or sucking up to a girl.

Do you enjoy Approach Anxiety, I'm sure not. But you still approach women because they are hot or because you want to get laid :lol: You do things, sometimes not for the girl but to face your fear in the eye, to get pass that, not to let your insecurities be a hurdle between you getting the girl. And I think that was the case with OP
Quote:
I've read the stuff on gaymogging and to be fair there's some good stuff in there. But this just gets more and more weird...I seriously wonder where people will stop?
'The Game' gets to the next level with some PUA willing to go over board. In general about 'Game', I think MPUAs know a lot of ways of triggering emotions but I can bet that non of them, even if they claim, know it ALL. Hence I believe there isn't a PERFECT PICK UP ever. We'd just have to wait and watch how things process :lol: :lol:
Quote:
What about judgement? How would an "ALPHA" handle that?
Again its got nothing to do with being Alpha or Beta or being Gay or Straight.
Quote:
i think thats taking it to a point where you AMOGed but you did it for a dumb reason, kinda like taking off your shoe with a razorblade, sure you got it off but you sliced up your foot in the process
I want to reply but whatever...I have said already enough... Its strange that you think of it as a judgement error. The OP was comfortable with it so why judge him.
Quote:
This poster is just the result of the total emasculation of the American male. Just the sign of the times. Have fun with your new world and new reality.

As Americans/Canadians you had better learn how to change diapers, cook, clean, iron, etc. I am loving this!
Everything I said Above + You are out of your Fucking mind ! Also what is wrong with changing diapers of a little baby, Spending time with someone you love while cooking together in the kitchen, helping you GF/wife/Sig O keeping the house clean, and ironing your own clothes and acting like a responsible adult. Does your Sexuality depend on these things, do you need constant validation for you being a MAN - Week inner Game, and terrible at relationships I must say !! -Go Figure
Quote:
holly shit, pu has fucked up ur mind... u guys should quit with stuff like "A real man doesnt need to bla bla"
Forget I'm not even going to reply :?

Quote:
.........Watching Sex and the City is not gay. Having intercourse, kissing, or pleasuring(in a sexual manner) another of the same sex is a homosexual act.
Very Close... But I'd just say that deriving pleasure is the right word here. But Kudos to you for getting it close.
Quote:
Let's keep this thread open minded and flame free. Both of which seem to be ramped in the recent posts.

You can tell a lot about a person by how they are reacting and interacting with Ezo and the idea of the post. For some of those in this thread, it shows how much further they have to go.

Sorry Boss, but the bashing and fuming agaisnt the original poster has taken the real intent and purpose of this post which otherwise is pretty interesting prospective . And hence I took out some steam :oops: :oops: :roll: :roll:

Quote:
You guys are really overcomplicating this whole situation.

The point isn't whether kissing another guy is gay or not, when did this become Christian soap opera? The point is, as Ezo has said, he overcame his fear and kissed the dude. And it isn't a big deal.

All of you guys have good points but you are shooting at the wrong target. Let's try and get this discussion back to pick up. ......... They generally respond well to it.
Finally a another guy who gets it:lol: :lol:
Quote:
After reading this, I think there is no right answer. Right now people are manifesting their fears/insecurities into Ezo's situation, and passing judgment based on that. In truth, they are really judging themselves.

As far as my thoughts on this, I wouldn't kiss a dude. Just not my thing.
Another one, Kudos to you too

Okay I'm Tired now and think have said enough. I went to this length to reply back because the OPs post is indeed quite interesting. He is spontaneous out here and did something that I wouldn't do and he took control of the the situation.

Just as a closing note to this rediculous discussion.. Now that I too have blown some steam, i'm sorry if I've been rude to any of the posters in here. Nothing Personal guys :lol: :lol: But I truely am amazed with the perception of an Alpha Male that soo many posters in here have (they dont change diapers, cook etc etc..), reframe the situation !! - Rediculous and not needed..


Top
   
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Sun Jan 10, 2010 8:48 am 
Offline
New to MPUA Forum

Joined: Mon Nov 16, 2009 7:32 pm
Posts: 25
Props dude. I wouldn't have kissed him. You've got some serious testicles for that shit.
I'm not going to bother reading every ridiculously blown apart comment, but shit, if you ended up getting laid, and the kissing didn't bother you - good for you. That's all that really matters


Top
   
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Sun Jan 10, 2010 4:44 pm 
Offline
MPUA Forum Enthusiast
User avatar

Joined: Mon Dec 14, 2009 7:13 pm
Posts: 71
Location: Slovenia, Ljubljana
Marc: Of course my way it's better. If you like kissing guys this is your problem...but I dont so I would do it differently.

Ahahahahahaha Where the fuck did you get the impression that I'm afraid of kissing a guy???
It's nothing to do with fear, I just dont like it because guys disgust me...nothing personal I just dont like it. So why would I do it IF I DONT HAVE TO. I can get pussy without doing something that disgust me, if you cant than it's your problem.

And yes in case you didnt know it, the bare deed of appraoching a hot girl lowers your value.
Why? You dont appraoch homeless people on the street, you appraoch the people who you think that they are higher value. Like hot girls;)
Brad Pitt doesnt need to appraoch people. The people approach him.
Maybe in your eyes appraoching isnt a lower value deed but in her eyes it sure is.

_________________
"They're playing groupie, so I'm playing rock star." (mystery)


Top
   
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Sun Jan 10, 2010 4:55 pm 
Offline
MPUA Forum Enthusiast
User avatar

Joined: Wed Mar 11, 2009 3:03 pm
Posts: 53
Location: Australia
Quote:
Marc: Of course my way it's better. If you like kissing guys this is your problem...but I dont so I would do it differently.

Ahahahahahaha Where the fuck did you get the impression that I'm afraid of kissing a guy???
It's nothing to do with fear, I just dont like it because guys disgust me...nothing personal I just dont like it. So why would I do it IF I DONT HAVE TO. I can get pussy without doing something that disgust me, if you cant than it's your problem.

And yes in case you didnt know it, the bare deed of appraoching a hot girl lowers your value.
Why? You dont appraoch homeless people on the street, you appraoch the people who you think that they are higher value. Like hot girls;)
Brad Pitt doesnt need to appraoch people. The people approach him.
Maybe in your eyes appraoching isnt a lower value deed but in her eyes it sure is.
100% agreed. It's funny how some like to think kissing a dude="being a man" or it means you have "inner game". Oh and since it's alpha to kiss dudes howcome when everyone asks for examples of alpha males and their behaviour no one mentions gay guys or guys that kiss fellow males?

_________________
diversify your women


Top
   
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Sun Jan 10, 2010 6:23 pm 
Offline
Member of MPUA Forum
User avatar

Joined: Tue Jun 16, 2009 10:39 pm
Posts: 135
Location: Vienna, Austria
Great post Ezo! Well done.

To all the rest: Being Alpha means to not be afraid of showing who you are, exactly the opposite- be absolutely free and proud to show your true self.
Also a hetero guy kissing another male only shows that he is completely confident and open minded. Many girls (not all) find two guys kissing actually hot, why? Because a guy kissing another guy only tells that he is so confident with his ‘maleness’ that even a gay act (such as kissing) can’t ruin it for him, also it shows that he is willing to experiment (to what extend noone needs to know), which by all means is a turn on!

So you guys better build up some confidence =)

Cheers
Jez

_________________
“A man is but the product of his thoughts what he thinks, he becomes.”
Quote:
Fin: Jezebel of PUAF -> More awesome than a T-rex fighting a giant shark.'


Top
   
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Sun Jan 10, 2010 6:34 pm 
Offline
MPUA Forum Enthusiast
User avatar

Joined: Mon Dec 14, 2009 7:13 pm
Posts: 71
Location: Slovenia, Ljubljana
That's what I'm talking about.
If you're bisexual or you like to experiment with guys than IT IS ALPHA if you do that. Because it's your way. You did it because of yourself.

But if you're not like that than IT IS BETA because you did it just to get a girl. Like every AFC is trying to do stuff which he doesnt like just to get a girl.

_________________
"They're playing groupie, so I'm playing rock star." (mystery)


Top
   
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Sun Jan 10, 2010 6:38 pm 
Offline
MPUA Forum Enthusiast

Joined: Sat Jan 02, 2010 6:50 am
Posts: 37
Quote:
That's what I'm talking about.
If you're bisexual or you like to experiment with guys than IT IS ALPHA if you do that. Because it's your way. You did it because of yourself.

But if you're not like that than IT IS BETA because you did it just to get a girl. Like every AFC is trying to do stuff which he doesnt like just to get a girl.
No, you and Jezebel are talking about 2 different things. I think Ezo, Jezebel, Marc & ShadowSketched are saying the same thing. You are still on the other side


Top
   
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Sun Jan 10, 2010 6:51 pm 
Offline
Moderator
User avatar

Joined: Sun Nov 11, 2007 2:04 pm
Posts: 4238
Thanks Jez! It sure means a lot coming from a female perspective! You have understood completely!


Top
   
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Sun Jan 10, 2010 7:43 pm 
Offline
MPUA Forum Enthusiast
User avatar

Joined: Mon Dec 14, 2009 7:13 pm
Posts: 71
Location: Slovenia, Ljubljana
Quote:
Quote:
That's what I'm talking about.
If you're bisexual or you like to experiment with guys than IT IS ALPHA if you do that. Because it's your way. You did it because of yourself.

But if you're not like that than IT IS BETA because you did it just to get a girl. Like every AFC is trying to do stuff which he doesnt like just to get a girl.
No, you and Jezebel are talking about 2 different things. I think Ezo, Jezebel, Marc & ShadowSketched are saying the same thing. You are still on the other side
It's the same thing!

Would you eat shit to get a girl? I dont think so. Why? Because it's too much of a investment for you. If you would you would be very fucking beta.

It's just a question of how much do you like kissing guys and how much of a investment it is for you.

For me kissing a guy is a 8 on a 10 scale of investment.
For Ezo it's maybe a 4 on a 10 scale. So he has lesser problem of kissing a guy (he's not gay or BI, he just like guys more than I do).
For some homophobe it's 10 and for a bisexual or gay guy it's 1.

And if you invest in a girl more than she is investing in you than you are beta.
So Ezo is alpha because he probably didnt invested in a girl that much.
But if I would do the same thing I would be beta because that would be too much of a investment for me in a girl who didnt deserve it.

_________________
"They're playing groupie, so I'm playing rock star." (mystery)


Top
   
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Sun Jan 10, 2010 8:25 pm 
Offline
MPUA Forum Enthusiast
User avatar

Joined: Fri Jul 31, 2009 11:04 pm
Posts: 48
Yahoo Messenger: Stash_box83
AOL: cdblock354
Location: NYC a.k.a The Rotten Apple
Quote:
That's what I'm talking about.
If you're bisexual or you like to experiment with guys than IT IS ALPHA if you do that. Because it's your way. You did it because of yourself.

But if you're not like that than IT IS BETA because you did it just to get a girl. Like every AFC is trying to do stuff which he doesnt like just to get a girl.
yeah he is right i think if you do something that against who you are as a person that is beta male.i mean i see how you think its alpha cuz your cool with your man hood so much you dont care what people think about you kissing a dude and you dont make your male ego come into play in making that step but if you do it just for females and this is something you wont do on the regular its beta.i mean female kiss each other like its nothing because that how female are but you never know if the female look at you like a sucker cuz she knows you only did this cuz they made you do it knowing you dont do it on the regular and to them it's nothing

_________________
Im on my G-mac s**t so put that ho on the squad


Top
   
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Mon Jan 11, 2010 9:48 am 
Offline
Member of MPUA Forum
User avatar

Joined: Tue Jun 16, 2009 10:39 pm
Posts: 135
Location: Vienna, Austria
Ezo, you are welcome. As I said it is a great post!

At the rest of the guys: I really suggest you go back to page one of the thread and read the original post... read it, not just the title. I really don't think that Ezo was trying to make you concentrate on the kiss (maybe if you substitute the word kiss with some other action that you feel more comfortable with you will finally get the point that was made)... there were other major thoughts that he was so kind to actually share with you.

Ezo, i had an interesting discussion last night with two gentlemen on 'being alpha', your little 'lion story' helped me a lot with the explanations:) Thank you

Cheers (actually right now i believe that i will never ever drink again ... very bad way to start the week)
Jez

_________________
“A man is but the product of his thoughts what he thinks, he becomes.”
Quote:
Fin: Jezebel of PUAF -> More awesome than a T-rex fighting a giant shark.'


Top
   
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Mon Jan 11, 2010 8:23 pm 
Offline
Moderator
User avatar

Joined: Sun Nov 11, 2007 2:04 pm
Posts: 4238
Glad I could help! The lion story is quite good.

Plus, you WILL drink again! ;)


Top
   
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic  Reply to topic  [ 81 posts ] 

All times are UTC


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot post attachments in this forum

Search for:
Jump to:  

Can we be honest?

We want your email address. Let me send you the best seduction techniques ever devised... because they are really good.
close-link