Abstract: Our heads are filled by conflicting thoughts of fear, impulses, insecurities, hates, and irrational thoughts. Silence these thoughts to find what your true Feelings and desires are and follow these.

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Two perspetives on Ego.

Buddhism
The ego is the source of all pain, it is a delusion a formation of the false idea of "self". It must be abandoned for spiritual enlightenment to be attained.

Broad Satanism
The ego is the self, it is the only thing you should obey (outside of the code and even that is optional) gratification of the ego is spiritual gratiication in itself.

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So how do we combine these two perspectives, they seem so unalike.

Well let's start with Buddhism. Buddhism works well eliminating our panic and distress.

Let's take an example in PU:

Joe is in the bar, drink in hand, he's on his own; he notices these two absoloutly stunning girls a couple of paces away. He is nervous he knows he should approach, but he doesn't want to it's scary, he is worried about rejetion. On the other hand Joe wants to be a PUA nd he knows the only way he can do this is by approaching.

This is a conflict of interest. Going on in his own head.

To overcome this and make the right decision Joe must make a distinction between these two, he must discern between a want that his true self wants. And a want which is born not from his own true desires but from his insecurities and his worries.

Eventually Joe rationalises; when he examines his wants, he finds his anxiety to be a delusional want and the desire that he truly has is to approach.


Satanists, gratify the ego, so I want for easiness sake seperate our thoughts into two groups.

The human condition: All irr-rational thoughts, feelings and desires which ultimtly are not what we want, but in our confusion we mistake them as such.

The ego: We often mistake the human condition for our ego; the ego consists of our true wants, desires and goals. It is "us" the clearest sense, the feelings of the ego are our emotions, it's thoughts are our thoughts.

Knowing this, once you have seperated out your ego from your irrationality. Then you know where you are headed and it is your duty as a human (from a satanists point of view) to move in that direction.

Gaahl: Focus on the god within yourself, becuase that is the only true god, the god within everything, that is the only thing worth calling god. It is the highest spirit of everything. That thing is more than anything else, god is within man, it's within nature and nature will always grow; that's the force of all life, to grow.


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Now I don't like to lecture, I work much better in discourse with others so if you have any other queries on this topic don't hesitate to ask!

Enjoy people

Ya..with the above I would say Satanism is a lower system than of Buddism- because Buddism does cover what Satanism does- except it focuses on things MUCH higher up at the same time. As of the ego itself- theres lower ego then high ego I'll say. High ego is knowing your being selfish however your taking into account everyone else and not just following lower impulses. At that point there is a point of self-control and God- meaning choice.

Embracing the lowerself/animal is part of the process, however to say that as a pure focus- is just living more animal than human. So its a choice what you want. Mind you the higher path is harder-much harder- however your going see exactly what an person doing Satanism can and much more.

So it comes down to this choice- do you want to become and keep being an animal or do you want to embrace the God side of you?

I think you are both approaching it understandably from a strong buddhist perspective. It may be better to consider this definition of ego and attitude towards it as something completely new and seperate.

As such best to treat this as a whole new ego concept rather than a part dependant on another theory of ego.

As for the paths, I would say if you wanted to put it into a buddhist-centric perspective, I think it would be rooted in all 8.

Not quite- I get where your coming from. However its just what your aiming for. Buddism and other relegions cover exactly what you say and more- with that though theres alot more work involved.

Satanism generally accepts the ego and then believes its them- thier desires etc. then does something with it. In that its very parell to PU. As that though, there really isn't any conscience choice other than follow hard impulses- "she's hot cool..lets go". In that its very approval seeking and requires validation of one's self ultimately.

On the side of things to that Buddism/other relegions/mystisicm etc. says the ego is fine, you just gotta transform it from a lower form to higher- again..thats a choice with that you take the responsibilites. Meaning you fully embrace it just your evolving your conscience in a long process. Now..generally "conventional" relegions also condemn alot of things which people don't understand- this isn't just 1 culture though its humankind all over the world. I think thats saying something- and if you research you'll understand why also.

Adding, when it comes down to praticality, its deattaching from your "wants" which let you see whats actaully there instead of a screen. It gives you and outside POV to make better decisions longterm for the whole. Baseline- it comes down to serving your own needs vs serving others. Buddism et latter= others 1st then yourself- not in a mashocism way- in a powerful humble way. Satanism= me 1st then others MAYBE.

Comparing the 2: You can see the maturity of the 2 systems. Again, nothing wrong- it just what it is.

Yes and no zac

In most forms of Buddhism the ego should be abandoned it is the sense of self which binds us to the world and causes so much pain. Remove the ego and you destroy yourself freeing yourself from the world.

Satanism often runs with egoism but I would not be so quick as to sum it up as a religion driven on pure desire. It's theology and philosophy can also get rather complex and intricate.

I'm an epicurean at heart, for me life is about what makes us happy, what gives us as the greeks would call it "eudaimonia".

In Pick up we have to weigh up our needs and desires, we need to see that our want to over-come our approach anxiety is often alot stronger than the anxiety itself.

People just need to realise what they want from life and then move toward it.

If that is learning and developing ability in PU, then so be it.

Hmm, interesting idea I suppose, though I find it ironic that you're quoting a man who is an open homosexual.

Sorry I couldn't add something intellectual to the conversation, I'm just not staying online very long.

I was wondering if anyone was going to know about gaahl Still I loved the interviews he did, really great stuff.

Yeah just read one now which was pretty insightful, though didn't get the impression he was a Satanist, if anything it seemed he was more a follower of the Asatru path (something I took an interest in at one point, still do but from a more atheistic point of view these days).

Satanism and Paganism however are not as incoherant as people think anyway, seeing as Pagan beliefs were demonized by the oncoming of Christianity during the conversions (or absorbed as a means of integrating with the local customs, particularly in Northern and Eastern Europe), but I won't go into it too much as otherwise we risk going WAY off topic.

However within Norse sagas you can see the ideal of struggle and going after what you want rather than standing by and having it taken away from you. This was also among the aspects that Nietzsche admired about the ancient Greeks, however my understanding of his philosophy is quite basic if I'm honest, but what I am aware of is consistent with my philosophy and indeed some of the ideals of Satanism.

Gaahl used alot of satanic principles but I think he was a norse druid. But all good points

Yes I agree that is Buddism. However, specifically I'm talking generally. Even in Druid/Pagan religious points priests still need to go into initiations to get trained. Thats all religions. And from that they basically all talk of the lower self and higher self. Being human we need to work with the higher however we're going be always slightly bond to the animal. So no..I'm not talking just buddist.

As of Satanism yes its more complex than we can speak- and that is not my area of expertise. I can break it into 2 camps though- and its basically what I said earlier. Its not just "this is the theory"- cause I'm talking of actual practices at this point where one has to be aware of the ego constantly- if one is truly to understand- meaning one actually needs to do it. (And no I will not be discussing it).

In any practices along these lines your either becoming more animal or more godlike. Its your call what. Even if we talk of Dionysian theory vs Apollonian-- people doing Dionysian practices still have to attain a cultivation practices before they EVEN touch what people hear and are so gung ho about. Et on the latter..Dionysian is MUCH harder to do properly and people are easily tricked by the false ego alot- being a pitfall trap for it. How come? Because they didn't build the foundations to it.

A godlike being open to his animal instinct perhaps?

How Nietzschean. Or indeed Ragnar Redbeard (for those who consider reading it, believe me, you WILL be offended, especially those of a more politically correct direction, unless you take it as satire which some literary theorists believe, but no one is entirely sure... but it is the basis for Anton LaVey's Satanic Bible).