Ey man, don't focus too much on all this body language thing. Body language can be very deceiving. I remember once there was a girl that looked at me like "you are the last human being I would ever speak to" and completely turned her head away from me like the nice little bitch she was. But afterwards I heard from other people that she told them I was cute. Conclusion: body language means nothing. Girls are always playing these crazy games.

So again, don't focus on body language. Just do what you have to do. In this world men are the ones chasing the women. I mean, what would you do if women would be chasing you at every party you go ? Would you even bother to chase women ? Why would you ? There are enough women chasing you anyway. I mean, you are a man and definitely not being chased and still you don't chase the girls you like. Why on earth would you chase a girl if you would be the one that girls are chasing. So stand up, behave like a man and do whatever you have to do to spark her attraction and don't be to chicken to show her your interest. Don't try to figure out if she is interested in you, but make her interested in you. And if at the end it turns out that it is not meant to be ... well there are many other girls out there. No girl is special. For every girl you see, there can be found thousands of other girls that are more or less exactly like her and even better .

Body language is a great way to know what is really going on! If you know what you are doing. If you dont know what you are doing you can misinterpret a lot of things.

What you describe is a conscious gesture not subconscious body language. If I give someone the finger it could mean anything, it can be used for lying.

Remember that one gesture or one signal does not mean anything, you need to see a continous series of signals telling you something. Its like one gesture one word... A series, a sentence.

That last part made no sense at all...
Man, are you trying to convince him to go natural? Not showing interest is a way of the indirect approach.

Yes, get her attracted, definately.

Not meant to be? What is that supposed to mean man? We are trying to be Pick-Up artists here, not trust in fate artists. If it is more effective for the man to not show interest then that is the way to go. You approach, either you like it or she dont... It just doesnt work that way. We are here to maximaze our chances, not leave it up to what she thinks that she wants initially.
Going inderect buys you time to show your qualities so that you are not judged by that first impression that she has just walking up to you or seeing you from across the room.

You are gonna see that girls can be special too. Just like every single person on this planet. Girls may not be special in the way they react and behave and certainly not if you are just gonna have a ONS... But, a person can be special. Dont you consider some of your friends special, are you not special? Why could she not be special? Just because she is a girl? Remember that girls are people too, not a body for mens pleasures... I see where you get this from, sometimes the PUGs say similar things but this is not what they mean. They mean that there are more fish in the sea and that other girls may also be really nice. And that it is not a cathastrophy to lose one... Not that whe is not a special person worthy of respect...

Sometimes the attitudes the misconceptions gives rise to can become a bit unpleasant...

Ezo

Nobody is special. Yes my friends are special ... to me. But what do they mean for you ? Nothing. This "being special" is completely subjective. It is just a feeling. You find a girl, you really like her and you think "I only want her in this world, she is special". But once you had a relationship with her and you get over her you will see that you will find another girl that you think is special. Over a span of several years you will notice that special doesn't exist. And the girls you thought were so special 10 years ago, you forget them. So if they were so special, why the hell did you forget them ? Very simple, because you found others that are at her same level or even higher. For everyone you can find a proper replacement. I know my words seem harsh. I sound like a robot. But actually that is the harsh reality. So if he shows interest to this girl but she only wants to stay friends or whatever, he shouldn't care too much. There are plenty of other girls out there. And for sure he can find a better one. Like I said, nobody is irreplacable.

1. BL is a great way to read what girls are thinking pre and mid set, it's an incredibly useful tool.

2. Ezo is right, you mis-interpreted her, girls will throw ST's and that includes negative body-launguage, IMO the real skill of a PUA is understanding "what she really means".

3. You can escalate with indirect, stop applying hyperbole to other peoples statements in order to make your own opinion look credible.

4. Your methodology is relatively close to mine, I open indirect then gear change to direct once I'm hooked, or wanting to establish one. But I dislike the atitude, all this finding out if she is "worth my attention" is just anti-social bollocks spewed by people who are resentful towards human beings, usually as a result of a poor social background; this powers them into a state of arrrogance. "They aren't worth me" rather than accepting the more likely but painful truth "I'm not worth them".

5. You seem to have this idea the special is subjective, and I'd tend to agree with you, but your idea that someone can form a relationship then ten years down the line have it lose all spark is... ...misguided. And the whole, it's about girls who are the same vlaue or higher.

Have you ever been in a relationship?

As time goes on it becomes about attatchment.

Yes, I have been in relationships. That's why I said it. When you are with someone she is special for you and you for her. But once you break up you find someone else and in most of the cases forget the other one that used to be SOOOO special. Now the other is your special girl. So you see, this 'special' hypotesis is completely subjective.

Why would someone has to think "I am not worthy for her" ? Are you kidding me ? Is this your advise for the starter of the thread ? If you think yourself you are not worthy enough, than why on earth would any girl even bother to want a loser like you ?

I am just trying to help the guy who started the thread. He knows this girl for a very long time but nothing is happening because he is too chicken to do something about it. After all this time they know each other he is still worrying about IOI's. I think that is pretty hilarious. Even if she isn't giving IOI's than it is still better to do something than to wait 20 years for an IOI. At least, that is my opinion.

Man, your opinion sucks. And I didnt ask for it in the first place, I asked for help. Whats wrong with me studying every interaction I have with the hottest girl in my school so I can apply to my game? What is it to you if I spend 20 years figuring out if she likes me or not, its my life i'll chose to do what I want to do. If you wanna help then please just do that, dont start talking about what you think of others or me. Thank you.

Now if you were to completely forget about a relationship I would hazard the guess, that you weren't that attatched, the general process for a strong attatchment being severed, is the PDD cycle Protest, Despair, Detattchment. Now even after the last cycle is complete, you would still be able to recognise if a bond held meaning.

That is something that can make it special even after it is over, understanding what the person meant to you then and feeling greatful for it.

Next Point; stop using hyerbole, and yes he should go for it, but you deciding that BL bollocks on your one singular case, then applying that to everyone else (even though the fact that you didn't notice she was into you becuase she turned her head away, shows that you probably weren't reading the BL with any real understanding)

Final Point, No this is not my advice, but simply walking around with an attitude like "They are not worthy", is an attitude commonly held by losers
in denial. And I've seen it in this community a problem the community has now and again are members who join up, get drowned in pseudo macho philosiphy of "I'm the man, I'm the prise, women should be begging for my awesome cock"

Then he logs off the computer, goes to work, talks to some female customers in Macd's who get wierded out while he convinces himself that they were tottaly into him.

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My atittude is an assumption that everyone else is awesome until proven otherwise, everyone is worth my time and I theirs. <---- This is the secret to good people skills, a good vibe.

You will not be able to give of a good vibe, if people feel they are being scrutinised and pressured to be their best.

It's a toughy I know, but eventually you'll catch on, it's about having standards for people, with out pressuring them to fit a cookie cutter.

If you want confidence, and real confidence, the kind that comes straight from your inner self, not some quote you stumbled on while browsing these forums, then become succesful in whatever you do. Work for your place as a winner as a success! That confidence is backed with authority, achievements the mindset that derives from that is grounded in reality. This is the confidence of reality.

You say "Man people have to show me that they are worth my attention before I take them seriously, I'm alpha, I have no time for losers."

I'll slap you across the face, look you in the eye and tell you to stop being such delusional cunt; becuase thier is no way that the person who just said that is in anyway "cool", let alone to the extent that they believe themselves to be.

Becuase that attitude is almost never backed by any true confidence, it is a mirage, a feeling, it has no back bone, it is a confidence created by sunny weather and inspiring quotes, yes it is empowreing this confidence. But the minute the shit hits the fan.

Suddenly it's all to clear how flippant this form of confidence is, and shirks away. That confidence only appears while your on a high, and that confidence; Yes it can last for months, but within minutes in can be stripped off of you.

Confidence in reality, endures, it is a rock, when the chips are down it will push you through. THAT my friend is confidence, and it relies on real statements, it relies on real achievements.

Not on what some shady character on a forum tells you.

If someone wants my advice on confidence, I tell them this.

I don't care how badly you have done in life. You may have no job, no girl-friend, no friends, no car, you may have fucked up a million times and you may be a thousand flaws.

You may currently be the biggest loser on the face of this planet, and I couldn't care less about that.

Becuase as a human being, you are open to change, and what has happened and what you were do not matter, becuase every second you are re-inventing yourself, the present may be terrible but the great thing is it doesn't exhist.

Now you may think, "hold on I'm in it now", well your not in NOW your not in NOW your not in it NOW.*

Becuase the present is inevitably the past and the past at one point may have been the future, and the whole things the same bag of bones anyway.

What you should know is that your are constantly trapped in a position of coming into being and passing away and coming into being and passing away. What you are does not matter in the future, It is what you become, you as a human being have potential and even if you are not a success now, you could theoretically be one.

So go for it, become a success, work for your confidence, earn it, and enjoy it when you have acomplished it.

Hope that made somethings clearer, I went on a little tangent but I feel it is relevant

* Credits to the film "naked"

Absolutely agree! You might be right, I had the "normal" sarge in mind, a cold approach. This is different. Still, it is his decision, he could learn from it. But my advice, and yours I guess, is to either make something happen (although I think he is deeeeeep into the LJBF zone now) or go for another target. Game is more about girls you havent met yet anyway.


About body language. Im not talking about waiting for signals to approach, that is lame. I am all for cold approaches, why wait for permission, that sucks. What I am talking about is that BL is a great way to check how well you are doing and if you need to rethink your strategy. Im not saying watch her every move. Im saying, learn it, and you will automatically incorporate it into your general feeling of how the interaction goes. It is a passive skill really.

I still disagree with you about the Special thing.
In my opinion, all of the girls I have had a longer relationship with have been special, I have been really sad when it was over... The thing you mean is that noone is irreplacable and that there will be a thousand or more girls ready to fill the space. That is true. But they will be special too! In another way, in their own way. Since all girls I ever had a relation with have been special I conclude that every single girl on the planet is special. You just dont know why yet.
So, you cannot replace a special person but you can fill your time with another special person.

I cant drink Cuba Libre anymore since Im out of Coke, I love Cuba Libre but a Gin n Tonic will have to do, I love that too but in another way...

Ezo

Well, your way of dealing with the situation at school sucks even more.

You are the one asking for help. And if I would advise you: "Just keep on analysing her body language towards you for the coming 20 years", then that would be no help. I felt sorry for you and really wanted to help you. But after this comment I would suggest you to keep analyzing the girls BL until your hair falls off and you need to eat soup all day because lack of teeth.

I guess on the first points we have more or less the same thoughts but some miscomunication must have happened. The special thing isn't quit relevant actually. Everyone has his own thoughts about this. For me the "special" thing is like a girl who is waiting to be saved by her strong handsome prince on a big white horse and live happily ever after. I don't believe this is real. People have come up with this imaginary "special" person thing. At least that is my opinion. Of course, I don't want to change your opinion on this matter. I guess life is better if you really believe in this. Unfortunately for me, I don't.

Without getting too bogged down in other points. I'd say don't worry about looking for IOIs just go by the feeling, if in your gut you think she is into you she probably is.

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