Dont get caught trying to over DHV (Brag/Showoff) because thats how it comes across, what you need to work on is STATE... that is the first thought in your mind... if you can control that.. you can control ANYTHING, I'm a big believer of that... in your mind you must think this "I dont need this chick, I'm the prize, shes just lucky enough to come on the ride in my reality with me, if she don't want me shes lost out big time but hey im not bothered"

Keep telling yourself this and your body language will reflect this. Thats all you really need. Keep it natural

And as for asking her out through text, dont text her ALL the time as you'll give the game away, just say something like "I've gotta go in town Sunday (whenever), gotta go get a new top. I could use a female opinion, you can come with me maybe we can get a coffee after if your lucky enough" .

Also I just met this girl who is 17 going to be 18 in June and her ex BF was and still is 15 and they were together for 2 and half years, nothings impossible.

Thanks so much man! That mind state really seems worth while putting into practice. Yea I'll do that, and I think that's a good way of asking her out aswell. Here in New Zealand, it's the school holidays next week, so that'd be a good opportunity to meet her.

She hasn't txted back, but I'll txt her again tomorrow, and tell you guys how things go.

P.S. I did the false time constrant thing with her through txt and I think that's a good way of not appearing too needy.

Anyway, thanks so much for the help, much appreciated.

Cya guys!

Just becareful you aren't getting oneitis cause it's starting to sound like it. She's just one in many thousands to come man.

If she hasn't txted back, don't txt her tomorrow. Give it some time otherwise you'll come off as needy. You don't really care if she texts you or not, you have plenty of funny shit going on in your life anyways.

In a few days do the "OMG!!! HAHAHA did you hear about yesterday""Sorry wrong person"~ text routine and build up a DHV story.

Oh and age is nothing but a number. You can be 23 with zero life experience, having been home all your life or you can be 15 with lots going on in your(mature stuff). Who is the most mature in that scenario?

Haha yea I think I was getting oneitis at first, but I don't care as much now. Haha the wrong person txt routine sounds like an awesome idea.

As for who's most mature and with the most life experience, I can't say...she's pretty mature I suppose, and without sounding like I'm showing off, I think of myself as pretty mature for my age.

OK so it's 2 days after she last txted...should I try that wrong person thing tonight?

Cheers.

well i'll be damned. good work there Vice.

im pretty sure that girls like that appreciate a guy who is mature for their age. my close friends are proof of that for me. they like the younger guys who dont give a shit. and anyway i can relate. while working i ended up getting my co-worker liking me (i was 16 and she was 19,going on 20, Boo yah) so yeah its a really accomplished feeling. try not to let it get to your head though, thats what i did. and i kinda made myself look like a complete douchebag, even though i didnt even continue that realationship.

so the sky's the limit. big-ups to if you keep it up:D

Cheers mate.

I'm just gonna keep up the positive thoughts so as to change my mental state. I'm thinking of straight up asking her out to a movie...atleast I have something in mind rather than just shyly askinghger if she wanted to go out! (I think asking her out to help me pick out some clothing would seem a little weird personally).

The other thing is I'm not sure she's big on txting..so I'm gonna have to DHV in fewer txts than I'd usually have to. I hope she's not gonna avoid my txts cause she doesn't think much of me...nah that's AFC talk....still, you guys gotta understand that despite all this oneitis shit I have to get rid of...I really, really, REALLY want this girl...it'd be the ultimate prize.

Please keep the advice and support coming.
Cheers.

Oh and just thought I'd let you guys know, I have access to her Bebo profile (popular social networking site in NZ), and from the little quiz things about her, I've gathered she's a christian, definately a virgin, definately not a drinker or smoker, she turns 18 this August, she left a '...' to as an answer to 'Have you had a boyfriend or girlfriend before?', and another '...' to the question 'Have you ever kissed a member of the opposite sex before?'. She prefers a guy to be 'Hugable' rather than muscular of really skinny, and goes for personality rather than looks. She said what she likes in a guy is that they don't try too hard...etc, etc. There were a couple of photos of the senior ball in which she was with this guy, but she never mentions him at all so I presume it wasn't all that serious.

She doesn't have a facebook (which I use a lot), and she said the only reason she has a Bebo is because all her friends have one.

I just thought some of this info about her may be of relevance in relation to you guys helping me out with her.

Oh btw, I txted her tonight saying "Bro, I've gotta tell you the funniest joke when I next cya!" (So it was supposedly to a mate of mine and she would reply back and I'd act all surprised my phone sent it to her etc and that would start the conversation off). But she hasn't replied. I'm putting it down to she doesn't have her phone on or hasn't checked her phone. If that's the case (which it probably is), then when she next checks it, if I keep txting her, all these messages from me will appear and it'll look like I'm needy etc. So even thought I'm getting impatient and a little depressed over it all, I'm not gonna txt her again until she replies.

If she doesn't reply within the week, I'll try again, and then after that, go and spend my holidays forgetting about her and devoting them to sarging, improving my social skills and knowledge of body language/PUA shit etc.

I see girls up town that walk past that I'd really like to get with, and KNOW I HAVE A CHANCE WITH, if only I approached.

So although at times like these it doesn't seem like it, there ARE plenty more fish in the sea...aren't there????

Sounds like you've done a decent enough job up until now buddy. As for texting her again DON'T! What you need to do is call her. The more time that goes by without her seeing you or hearing your voice, the more you will just become words on a screen to her, and eventually she will get bored of these words and begin ignoring them, it sounds to me like that time is almost here. I hate to say it but I think you're plan back fired with that last text and it should've been a phone call rather than text, I think she ignored it and you are in a bit of denial about it because "she is SOOOOO nice". She may have realised you sent the message to the wrong person and asumed you'd notice without her saying anything so chose to ignore it, or she may have seen through the whole thing, women are very perceptive and don't like being tricked, it wouldn't surprise me if she looked at that text and thought "How hard is it to send your message to the right person? He's just trying to use this as an excuse to start talking to me coz i didn't text him back the other day".

Believe me man I've had it happen to me a few times. I say call her and see if she picks up, if not, don't bother leaving a message just declare the sarge over and move on (unless she then decides to contact you back again of course). If she picks up just do the standard day2 tactic and say "hey i'm going to X to do X later/tomorrow/in 2 days/whatever, you can tag along if you like."
If she doesn't flake then during the date escalate escalate escalate then go for the k-close.

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Thanks man. Yea I suppose I should call her and then if nothing comes out of it, I'll just go up town sarging and get over it all.

Just a few questions.

1) Should I leave a message if her phone's turned off? I think I already know the answer to that one - no, leave her to see the missed call and leave it to her as to whether she calls me back, am I right?

2) Should I straight up ask her (if she picks up), to go to a movie with me? Or should it be something smaller like helping me pick out some clothes then we get a coffee? What's the best place/situation to ask her out for/to?

Cheers man much appreciated.

Thanks man. Yea I suppose I should call her and then if nothing comes out of it, I'll just go up town sarging and get over it all.

Just a few questions.

1) Should I leave a message if her phone's turned off? I think I already know the answer to that one - no, leave her to see the missed call and leave it to her as to whether she calls me back, am I right?

2) Should I straight up ask her (if she picks up), to go to a movie with me? Or should it be something smaller like helping me pick out some clothes then we get a coffee? What's the best place/situation to ask her out for/to?

Cheers man much appreciated.

OK guys I realise most of you probably don't care..but I'll just update you as to what's happened. She still hadn't replied to any of my txts, so I called her, she didn't pick up, so I decided to leave a message. This is more or less what I said:

"Hey Lynnea! It's Stephen here from Blood Brothers (the show we were in). Hey um, these holidays I'm going to try keep in touch with as many people from the show as possible, and so was wondering if you wanted to catch up some time for a coffee or hot chocolate sometime? It's completely up to you, I'm just throwing the option out there and so if you'd like to, you can call me back on ".........". OK well see ya and I hope to hear from you soon!"

That's MORE OR LESS what I said (I can't remember word for word).

I'm thinking more and more now that she's just being ignoring my txts because I'm pretty sure that when I rang, the ringing tone on her phone that went for about 20 seconds meant that her phone was on but she wasn't answering (if her phone had been off it would have gone straight to the answer machine message thing)

I know it wasn't perfect at all (what I said), but...I'm going to leave that as bait for her to take if she wants...and if she doesn't...then I will be a little sad I know (I mean come on, it takes a while to get over oneitis right?), but I will happily move on and look forward to sarging many more beautiful girls up town!

Thanks guys for all your help.

Hey ViceD , I'm a high school student as well and start to read about your story for a while and havn't said anything yet. It is so nice to see you made some really good progress. And really, we Do care about you and your story.

Anyways, back to the topic,
It's cool that you used Style's game with her, that thing works just like magic...if the girl doesn't know the game yet
I think call her is better than just texting, but it's never a good idea to leave a voice message (especially when it sound very... unconfident). this sentence has really ruined the whole thing, you were play it very safe and it feels embarassing to just listen.
What you should do is keep calling her for like least 5 times until she pick up the phone, girls like guys who are persistent.

For texting, you could choose some nick names for her, it could be a neg or anything that help you guys get closer. like "Little Miss", "Stinky","Bunny nose", "Cuddlebug", "Cookie lips". Depends on what's funny and how you want to neg her.

By the way, you should read some good PUA books (not the one taught you techniques, but something that could help you to develope a method that suits your personality type), such as The Attraction Code from Vin DiCarlo, Double Your Dating from David D are all good books.

Hope you good luck man!

Man you don't realise how much I'm regretting that message I left her. The way you put it made me sound so AFC. Thanks for all your help anyway...but I think it's over...I mean she hasn't replied at all through txt or calling.

Oh well...............................................that's life!

I suppose I must move on...you never know, she may decide to call or something...but I doubt it - or atleast I'm not counting on it.

The Easter holidays have started over here, so for the next 2 weeks, apart from finishing off school work, I've got to get off my bum and start some sarging! I think it's a little hard when you're this age though because all those cliched places you'd want to/most likely to meet a cool girl, are where you'd find older girls.

I go to a boys' school and I'm not that into partying. So as you can see it's a little hard for me to meet girls which is sort of why I got into the game.

Anyway, thanks guys for all your support and advice...I can now relate to people saying they look back on things and learn from their mistakes! Because I can see ALL the flaws in my encounters with this beautiful girl...so know I will be less likely to make those mistakes again...hopefully.

Cheers guys, hope to be posting on more positive outcomes with girls soon.

Peace out.

ViceD, don't be dicouraged. If she doesn't call you back in two days, just try again.

Are you serious?!!! After all the AFC shit I've been portraying, you're suggesting I call her again????

OK, but I'm gonna need some more advice on what exactly to say so I don't ruin it again...