Well I don't deal much with night game, I think madals does that a bit more than me.. ...however.

Women are women are women, no need for new rules or exceptions, generaly speaking the rules change a bit with every girl, so as long as your adaptable and "on your feet" it should be cool.

Simply put, thier is no real way to lump women into groups so just sarge on a girl to girl basis, this can be best seen in set.

If Madals feels he has any experience he'll probably add something sooner or later.

Hey guys, awesome thread.

I'm just getting into the game, been lurking this forum on a not so regular basis in some time now. I'm pretty bad with women, but definately not socially retarded

Where would you recommend me to start? What should i read, what should i do?

Thanks in advance.

Well this is a personnal one so some quick questions.

Current social life?
Current Re-creational life?
Self confidence?

Apart from that, just get out there in the enviroment you like, and start sarging, simple as. I personally have read very little compared to 70% of the people on these forums, so as far as I am concerned, just get out there.

No point procrastinating with reading, just go sarge. You've been here a while, so you probably have a good idea about opening, transitioning, framing, attraction, comfort yadda yada... so go out! Your experience in the field is worth 10x more than most books.... how the hell do you think I learnt this? When I first got into this, I was 17, I couldn't exactly tell my parents,

"hey mum, hey dad I'd like to buy this book on seducing women, I can't find it in any bookstores, would you be able to get it of the internet for me"

(Actually one of the problems I have with PU literature is that nearly every book has some chic in a liticious pose, it makes me feel like I'm about to buy "nuts" magazine, rather than a book on human interactions. I feel that "image" does drag the community down abit.)

I learnt on the basis of go sarge, ask questions, read online articles, go sarge again. My thoughts and views on the dating scene are based on my experience. And I encourage others to learn in the same vein.

Anyway, if you could answer those little questions and provide some more background on "who you are" I could get alot more specefic than the above.

Allright, sorry for being unspecific.

I'm a 17-yearold boy from Denmark. I have practically zero experience with girls (except for a couple kisscloses at partys, always completely shitfaced, never sober.)

Used to get picked on, wich damaged my self-esteem, >>A LOT<<. Went to a kind of school where you live there (not sure you have these outside Denmark. Its not like a traditional English boarding school, its not strict at all, its basically to have a relaxed year after 9th grade where you take it easy).

Got picked on at first, but stood up for myself, got a close circle of friends, my self-esteem grew, picked up social skills, picked up a monoitis too.

Now im in first class of gymnasium, where i've also got some friends, but i basically suck with women, and dont know what to do.

I'd say i see friends 1-2 times a week in weekdays (hard with all the homework), and every weekend. I go out to partys every/every other weekend.

Hope that was enough info. Thanks a lot.

Well you've got a social life and a circle, so thats a big start.

I'm not that clued up on whats hot and whats not with regards to books, but I will say this.

Hang out with women ALOT!

It'll help you gain confidence around them and become more at ease, plus your natural understanding of women will sky-rocket, and thats a huge asset.


Thats about all I can give you for now, although I think the "attraction code" is a good place to begin bookwise. (Y)

It's not to tied up with a particular method, but instead it just gives you an over-view of "concepts" within the dating scene.

Right, one or two girls making rounds on the dance floor are ASKING to be picked up. If they aren't walking anywhere they are waiting for some1 to talk to them.
Simply open, then either keep them alone or move them to your group. If your good on the dance floor you could even get them to dance with you. Honestly, just open like any other girl
Madals

Thanks Fin.

Hello,

Im 21yo guy, considered good looking and nicely dressing. I've been many times in situation where woman seeks my attention and after discussing with me some time, she's left with disappointment. Im not able to escalate the conversation anywhere and I think the problem is because Im seriously not able to have those conversations. All I can think is minor chitchat, which I can pull off somewhat easily, but it bores even myself after quarter of talking.

I have wide social circle, I started this new school last autumn and I've developed tens of contacts over there. I have no problem approaching new people, I learned to get rid of it when I created my school contacts. I havent talked much to them after first few times, mostly because I like how to look at me now: they hold me in higher value, but if they'd talk me for few hours they'd prolly think differently, although the problem isnt as bad with men as it is with women. I have been able to maintain the status with some of the new friends, but mostly not.

The problem is very frustrating since it feels that I've developed in every other PUA aspect during last half year except on conversations. I've also noticed that I cant talk "deep" conversations with my closest friends either. I'd like to change this - I'd like to learn how to talk to people. My tone, eye contact and gestures could also be better, but they've also developed hugely during few months when compared to my conversational skills.

So, you have any point for me where to start on?

What do you do? what have you done? To talk about something in detail you have to know about it.
Personally i could talk about basketball, medicine, my opinions etc etc for hours and thats what you need to be able to do aswell.
To me it sounds like you are getting into light convo easy, things like why are you here, how are you doing, nice night? Those things are called closed questions which means they can be answered with things like yes/no or other short answers.

To have a deeper, longer conversation you need to ask open questions. An open question is something that cant be answered in a single sentance. Here is an example "If you had a choice of knowing how to get anything or knowing what you want, which would you choose and why?". That question cannot be answered simply, whatever they say you can follow up on with more questions and the person you are talking to will likly ask you something similar back.

Back to my first point about needing things to talk about. The only way to have things to talk about is by doing things. If you dont already have some get hobbies, do things that are interesting. If someone asks you what you did at the weekend and you say "oh, i watched x-factor and then went for a beer" its going to kill the conversation. However, if your responce was "I went rock climbing " you are going to get a lot more interest back such as why you do it, where, how long for etc etc.

Lastly, why the hell are you spending hours talking to women you have just met? do things to break up the time. Go places, do things live life.

Quick summery:
1) Go out and LIVE LIFE. You cant talk about stuff unless you have experienced things
2) Don't spend hours talking, go and share experiences with people
3) Open questions (things that cant be answered with yes/no or single sentances)
4) If you can, join a debating club. Discuss current affairs, things going on in the world anything that you can have an opinion on.

Feel free to ask more.
Madals

Greetings everyone!

Here's my story, I'm 18 and overweight. That in itself would be my leading cause of low self confidence as you can imagine. But that doesn't seem to stop me. I apparently have enough "game" naturally to still get girls, maybe not to the extent I'd like, but more than other guys my size. I've pulled a stripper at the strip club and F-closed her there. Girl compliment me on my "sweet talking" all the time, and some say I use it to my advantage to get them to do what I want. Yet they still fall for it. I take that for what it's worth. I'm not a sloppy loooking big guy, I have that teddy bear appeal girls like. Anyway, to my question..

I've gotten girls thru text game and online game plenty. But sometimes I don't know how to take that "sweet talk" spell I can sometimes get girls in, and advance it further than just that. I know there's way more to gaming than just flattery and teasing. If I could get some advice on what skills to learn and practice to build attraction and how to DHV that'd be awesome. I'm new to this forum and haven't seen alot of posts on these things. Thanks in advance.

P.S. If there's any info you need to help me further please let me know!

Hey guys!

For the most part, I've gotten over approach anxiety. Very often I see girls eyeing me strongly and this almost always yields a confident approach and a positive result. In 90% of the cases not only do I feel fine approaching, but feel like I do so successfully - I can segue smoothly into conversation, they seem interested, etc.

From that point I'm totally comfortable negging, DHVing, blah blah blah. Girls are laughing, IOIing, complimenting NON-STOP. Everything seems perfect and right about the interaction.

In fact, I don't even have any problem number closing. I'm getting about 1 out of every 2 times I talk to a girl a don't know (many times I don't even intend to "sarge" them). They give the number willingly and often with an overt sense of enthusiasm. Here's the problem:

I simply can not get a 2nd day. It is only AFTER the number close a few days later that a girl says she has a boyfriend or makes up a transparent excuse not to hang out. Just this week alone I have number closed 4 girls, all of whom have either rejected my offer for a 2nd meeting or have agreed, but stood me up (painful!). It's gotten to the point where halfway through the conversation I'm already deciding the whole thing is pointless, as if I can sense their interest deteriorating.

I'm not sure exactly what the problem is but I have a hunch: I open very strongly, but about 4 minutes into the conversation the excitement and rhythm seem to run out (for both of us). I feel that I am depending on an incredible opening 3 quarters to compensate for a depressingly lacking final quarter - that the girl is giving her number to the exciting and refreshing new man she met in the beginning as opposed to the random unimpressive guy on the street who he is quickly turning out to be. A final note is that most of the opportunities I have to meet girls are on the bus or at the bus-stop going to and from class (college). This usually only allows about 6-7 minutes, many times less.

I try my best to self-assess and learn through trial and error, but this seems to be a trend I can't (easily) beat on my own and is absolutely positively gorilla-raping my confidence.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Ok, before i answer can you please tell me what sort of day 2's your doing, how you invite them along to it and how much interaction you have between meeting and asking for the day 2? Also how do you generally leave the set after you have got the number?



I am going to start with the how to move on from sweet talk. KINO KINO KINO! By the sounds of things you are being a friend to these girls at the moment, or maybe a dancing monkey! You need to get things sexual and touch is a great way to do that.
If your not familiar with kino the VinDicarlo escleation ladder is brilliant : http://www.directnaturalgame.com/Techni ... adder.html

Right, now you have read that start trying to incorporate that into your game. You have to get yourself into the "frame" of being a sexual man and having a sexual attraction to her rather than just a friend (dont go all creepy pervert though). Let me know how that works out for you.

As for your second question, building attraction. There is so much stuff on here about that but basically its teasing, push pull, having fun, not being needy etc etc (there is so much on this forum alone on all the different things you can search, I am not re-typing)

Your final point was DHV's. To help you with that tell me about your hobbies, tell me about things you do in your spare time, tell me about your job. Write a reply back about those things and i will help you understand how everything can be made into a DHV.

Madals

p.s. There may be slow replies to this topic over the next week or two, I had to have surgery and therefore am having to recover at the moment and cant spent much time here. I will try and answer asap but your patience would be appreciated.

well the way i have been going about it has varied. i suggested to one girl that we go out to eat that weekend as she gave me her number. she agreed, but when the date came around she not only didnt come, but didnt call me to let me know.
another i told i had to take the train into new york to do some shopping (which was true) and that she could come along. she was interested the whole time, even asking questions what movie we could see together. but after a while she stopped texting and finally at the last minute, when i had to call her to ask her if she was coming, she pulled out with a lame excuse..
a third an HB9.5 salsa dancer) opened me and gave me her number, but when i called her said she was too old for me.
and last night, the impetus for the post, i was doing really well on an HB9 but when it came to getting the number she started getting hesitant. she claimed to have a boyfriend and be really really busy with work. maybe these are legit excuses, but this girl opened me by saying "omg i see you everywhere. you are so hot. can i touch your hair" and continued throughout the conversation to throw IOI's and qualify herself to me. i managed to get the number out of her, but i dont plan on doing anything with it because as said, when i asked her for it, all she did was give me reasons not to call.


i usually leave the conversation by getting their number and indicating that we should meet up sometime. it is at this point that they often give a noncommittal "yea sure, if im not busy..."

additionally im not doing that much interaction at all in between day 1 and day 2, so maybe thats a problem, and im only communicating by text. i just assumed that because they had seemed interested and given me their number, i had effectively won them over. i guess thats not true though.

thanks!

That article by DiCarlo is genius. haha.

But in regards to the DHV help..

I work for the State at a governmental agency as a student assistant. Just from starters I can think of some sugar coated ways to make that sounds interesting..but yeah. I am a rapper/poet and love writing. I play sports, experiment in the natural wonders of the earth play guitar, a lot of musical stuff, Save the world every tuesday..yeah. I can't think of anything right now.

Easy!! your problem is simple. Your asking women who barly know you to spend hours alone with you in a very pressured date situation. The reason they agree in the moment is because they are in the moment. They have a high emotional state to you at the time and its over riding their logical reason for being there. Then, once you leave and try to arrage something days later they have thought it over in their heads and realise your some guy they met once, nothing was really said and they are thinking it will be uncomfortable dating you.
This is how to get around it.
1) the evening after you meet, or next morning send a quick text saying it was really nice to meet her, if you spoke about where she was off to ask her how it went or tell her briefly something fun/exciting that happened in your day. After she replies say you have to go and will be busy for the next few days but will talk to her after that.
2) after a few days arrange to do something with some friends, be it go to a club or a movie or bowling anything. Then RING her up and tell her that you and some friends are going to do whatever and you would love it if she would come along. Tell her the only rule is she has to bing at least one friend so you get to meet some1 new aswell. Always make a day 2 something that your going to do if she comes or not. Make it light fun and by getting her to bring a friend she wont feel the odd one out.
3)a) assuming she says yes: enjoy date, have fun with friends and keep it friendly and game on. If it goes well when all the friends go try to insta date to a coffee shop or something. Still mainly casual but alone.
3)b) assuming she said no or you have already done step 3a. When you get home just send her a text saying you had a great time and though "give an example of something funny/ amusing she did" was brilliant. mention that your friends liked her and that she is cool enough to come be invited for something else.

Hope that helps and gives you a better idea on day 2's.
Tell me why you like guitar, be passionate about it. Why do you love music, what got you into it etc etc.

Madals