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PostPosted: Mon Jan 12, 2009 5:54 am 
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I had to post this as a guide for people after I wrote this in another thread.
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The pieces of this routine aren't original at all, but it's something I think will go very well together.

EDIT: By the way, this is more of a day-game sort of thing - as in someone you see across the street or in a store or something. Any situation where it might be obvious that you're definately going out of your way to approach.



Approach, and say, "Excuse me. Forgive my interruption, but I have to pay you a compliment..."

WAIT for her to say, "What is it?" or otherwise give you a go-ahead.

With a totally straight face, say, "I saw you from over there, and decided I had to take the risk of telling you this, but I think you are a great example of genetic perfection."

She will laugh. It's absurd.

Smile BIG, touch her arm, and exclaim, "I'm so glad you're laughing!" Allow her to simmer down a little, or if she takes too long (more than a second or two), say, "Do you want to know WHY I think it's good that you're lauging?"

She'll most likely still be smiling, and say, "Why?"

"While I do think you are pretty, I needed to be sure that you had something going on besides this [make a small circular geasture around her, indicating her body], and I [point to yourself] find a good sense of humor very attractive."

(If she's with someone at the moment, say, "Forgive me for putting you on the spotlight like this, but...")

"Listen, I really have to go (or can only stay a minute), but... If you are not with someone [pause], who is with you in the ways you need them to be, we owe it to ourselves, and to each other to grasp this opportunity to learn more about one another."

Turning to leave, add, "As I said, I can't stay right now, but I think you're really friendly." Almost whisper, "This is your opportunity to give me a way to contact you."



Will this work? Has anyone field tested something similar? (I'll have an opportunity to do so tomorrow, but I'm exhausted, and need to head to bed soon.)

All constructive feedback is very welcome.
It sounds overly contrived and she's going to know that it's a line. It's possible that if you do it with enough style and humour, that she might laugh a bit and go along with it, but I don't think there's much chance she'll swoon like in the perfect situation you create with your routine.

That's the problem with making routines like this with so many lines where they have to respond a certain way. Every time they need to respond a certain way for things to work, if they don't respond that way you're screwed and have to force things back on track. Routines only work well when they only have a imagined sense of choice, but in reality they're forced to say or do something. In your routine there's far too many things that can go wrong, like right off the bat if she doesn't laugh your whole thing is shot.

What do I mean by an imagined sense of choice? When you say or do something, she has no choice but to say or do something in return because of human nature. Usually this is because if you say something, they will automatically respond a certain way over 90% of the time - anything less than 75% of the time is an ineffective routine. The best way to achieve this is by setting it up so that regardless of how they respond you can proceed how you intended, such as with yes or no questions, or open-ended questions about what they like, where you can use whatever they say in your reply.

For example look at Mystery's "kiss close" routine. He asks the girl if she wants to kiss him and then the majority of the time she will answer 1 of 3 ways; 'yes' causes you to kiss her, 'no' causes you to say, "I didn't say you could", and 'maybe' causes you to say, "let's find out" and then kiss her. Now sometimes a girl won't respond any of those ways. Sometimes she'll say something like, "I don't kiss on the first date" in which case you can interpret it as a 'no' and you can say something like, "I didn't say you could, I asked if you wanted to." You've got all your instances covered, so it doesn't matter how she responds, you've got a reply.

Another good example is magic tricks. When a magician includes people from the audience, that person has to respond to things the magician says or does in the correct manner in order for the trick to progress. You can tell the difference between a new magician and one who's been around, by how often the magician has to tell the person that they're doing things wrong. If you've seen many magicians, you've probably seen a few tell the person assisting them that they've picked the wrong card, or something similar; when that happens, the magician didn't effectively create a sense of imagined choice and force them to do what they wanted. A great magician sets things up so that the person is tricked into doing exactly what the magician wants, even though that person is usually trying their best to see if they can mess up the magic trick and prove that it isn't real.

So when you're creating routines, try not to leave open ended questions, or outcome related responses. If your next response depends on them saying the correct thing in order to set up what you're going to say, then you've got a shitty routine. If they have to laugh at what you've said in order for you to comment on them laughing, then you'd better make sure that what you're saying will cause the majority of people to laugh and won't just seem weird or creepy coming from a random stranger, cause that's what you are. The problem most guys have is that they use lines that are the equivalent of, "Did it hurt when you fell from heaven? Cause baby you're an angel!" and expect women to laugh and think it's cute when in reality they know it's just a line to get in their pants.

My favorite routine and one of the only ones I use, is so great because if they don't do what I say, I just make fun of them for not playing along and it fits right in. If that happens, it either puts things back on track, or if they play hard to get, I just do a freeze-out and if they don't come around I know they aren't any fun. About 20% do exactly what I say without any problems. Over 60% more comply when I tell them they aren't playing the game right and they have to do it again, which is actually my desired outcome. Another 10% or so is handled with a freeze-out and end up begging to play my game again. That means I have over a 90% success rate and the rest of the time I end up screening out girls I'm probably not interested in and can just make fun of for not being any fun or adventurous, so their friends typically end up fighting over me anyways, meaning I have as close to a 100% success rate as you can reasonably get with any pre-planned routine.

No, I'm not going to tell you my favorite routine, cause I don't want everyone using it. Hopefully after reading this you'll have a better understanding of how to set up a good routine and can make one that works for you yourself. If you can't set up a routine to be that effective, then I'd suggest you don't bother using them because I rarely use any routines and you can be just as effective without them.

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So when you're creating routines, try not to leave open ended questions, or outcome related responses. If your next response depends on them saying the correct thing in order to set up what you're going to say, then you've got a shitty routine. If they have to laugh at what you've said in order for you to comment on them laughing, then you'd better make sure that what you're saying will cause the majority of people to laugh and won't just seem weird or creepy coming from a random stranger, cause that's what you are. The problem most guys have is that they use lines that are the equivalent of, "Did it hurt when you fell from heaven? Cause baby you're an angel!" and expect women to laugh and think it's cute when in reality they know it's just a line to get in their pants.
Reminds me of something my dance instructor told me: When leading the dance, never give your partner more than one choice at any given moment. There are many parallels between dancing and pickup.

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So when you're creating routines, try not to leave open ended questions, or outcome related responses. If your next response depends on them saying the correct thing in order to set up what you're going to say, then you've got a shitty routine. If they have to laugh at what you've said in order for you to comment on them laughing, then you'd better make sure that what you're saying will cause the majority of people to laugh and won't just seem weird or creepy coming from a random stranger, cause that's what you are. The problem most guys have is that they use lines that are the equivalent of, "Did it hurt when you fell from heaven? Cause baby you're an angel!" and expect women to laugh and think it's cute when in reality they know it's just a line to get in their pants.
Reminds me of something my dance instructor told me: When leading the dance, never give your partner more than one choice at any given moment. There are many parallels between dancing and pickup.
Totally. When you're leading and you plan on doing a certain move and they end up doing a different one that isn't their fault, that's your fault as the person leading. To be a great leader you need to set things up in such a way that in order for them to move comfortably they are forced to make the steps that you desire. Same thing with a routine; saying/doing anything aside from what you want them to should make them feel so awkward that they don't even think about it and every person you use your routine on will automatically respond the way you desire.

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I think it's worth mentioning as an aside, that the original routine questioned is Ross Jeffries' material almost verbatim, and there are certain mechanics behind that which aren't necessarily classic PUA principles, that make it work. It's an SS routine.


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I think it's worth mentioning as an aside, that the original routine questioned is Ross Jeffries' material almost verbatim, and there are certain mechanics behind that which aren't necessarily classic PUA principles, that make it work. It's an SS routine.
Which routine in question? The one that Charlie0 posted?

If it's a SS routine, then it would be "classic PUA principles" because he's basically the one who started the community and the stuff he taught is considered 1st generation, or the original pickup.

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