That's silly. The good does not always outweigh the bad. If it did, then standing in a corner as was described would have positives that outweigh the negatives of standing in said corner.

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Pay attention. "If you can't change it, embrace it" - you can change the fact that you're standing in a corner; there is nothing to embrace there. Rejection on the other hand; how a girl reacts to you and feels towards you for the most part is out of your control. You must embrace this and accept it in order to do the approach despite having fears.

hey gentlemen. Im brand new in the pua game and please forgive me for the following.
If you read my intro you can get a better idea of what happened. Long story short. I got 3 number closes at the same bar using almost word for word material from the game (and im still only on page 100 ) the numbers were of three hb7s who all came together and I found them all attractive. I targeted the blonde soley because she was the easiest to neg. ( i used the cute bugs bunny overbite routine.) i isolated her from the group and brought her to my car but realized I left my keys inside the bar with my friend. when i went to retrieve them the blond hb7's friends followed me out wondering where she was. being a little drunk I got all there numbers ( the targets first) and left.
Last night I called the blondhb7 no pickup. I called her friend the brunetehb7 and she said she would love to come along with me to the bars but her friend was working. I called at 9pm and she didnt pickup. instead she texted me HAVE YOU SEEN THE PICKUPARTIST? i txted back saying no but I read a book on picking up women my freshman year at highschool. whats your sign? lol.
she responded well you are a good one? then she began txting me on the targets phone asking where I was again. and we flirted all night via txt on the precint she didnt have minutes. then at 1 am i recieved a call saying both target nd hb7 brunete were coming over. 15 minutes later i get a text from hb7 brunete and she said target is sick i would have loved to come sorry? i said im sorry shes sick but even more sorry for you. turned off phone. was this good/bad? where did i go wrong? why no close.

...says the guy who stands in the corner

Remember... Do not let someone rejecting you affect who you are.

The stronger you are in your own identity i.e. the more you know who you are, the less you will be affected by what other people say or do to you...

The RSD catch phrase is "Don't give a fuck what anyone thinks of you."

The rejections just roll off my shoulders, they don't affect me on any level. Usually I'll laugh or something because I know how cool of a guy I am and think it is funny that some girl would reject the coolest guy she'll probably meet that night....

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You said the good always outweighs the bad to everything. Even reading it the way you seem to have intended does not make it any less silly. The good side of something that you can not escape does not always outweigh the bad side of it. Are there positives? Yes. Do they always outweigh the negatives? No.

Let's say you get half your face burned off in a chemical accident. Let's make it not your fault at all, you were taking a walk and someone splashed acid in your face.

Can you change it? No. Do you have a choice about what your face will look like? Not really. Does the good part about having only half a face outweigh the bad part? If so, then go splash acid on half your face, obviously it's a net improvement.

And the logic goes something like this:
A con to having half a face is that you no longer have a full face.
If the pros to having half a face outweigh the cons, then having half a face must be better than having a full one. Therefore, you should burn off half your face if you want to maximize your pros.

No one said I stand in the corner. I don't do cold approaches.

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Which you can't reveal to the years of youth
Except to say it isn't worth a dime

Rejection hurts. Learn to face the pain, and deal with it. Or spend your life trying to avoid getting hurt again.

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Yillan, you have a very warped perception of life... stop being so miserable all the damn time, it contributes nothing. The whole point I was trying to make is that you're supposed to make the most of what you have.

There are positive sides to everything, if you want to see them. You clearly don't want to, and that's fine. I'll agree that just because there are pros it doesn't mean they always outweigh the cons... but they're still there, and that's the point. Do you get it yet? Maybe I should have worded it that way in the first place to avoid confusing or upsetting you, cos clearly everybody else here shares your way of thinking. I'm leaning heavily towards the idea that your pessimistic, cynical tendencies can't allow you to accept that some people are actually able to embrace that which holds others in similar situations back. Just because you don't fit into that category or have no desire to, or are afraid of being happy, doesn't mean you have to take it out on me or anyone else here. As for resorting to such extreme and morbid examples in an attempt to make me look foolish and get people to side with your rationalisations... I don't even think I need to comment.

That's something very different from what you wrote. I agree with that, since you have no choice.
Of course there are, and I said as much in my reply to you.
If you had read what I wrote, instead of fixating on the example I used to illustrate my point, you'd have realized that I agree with your revised statement.

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Which you can't reveal to the years of youth
Except to say it isn't worth a dime

So you got rejected, then you learn that something in that situation created a tension which led down a bad path.
It may be the particular girl, or it may be something you did.
It may be something that happened earlier on that night to her.

Truth of the matter is that unless she's a close friend you will never know exactly why she rejected you.
and even if she's a close friend, you'll never be 100%
She might have just been testing you.

What does this teach you, is all you can ask.
Does this experience aid you towards your goal of understanding other people, and women in particular ?
if yes, learn what you can.
if no, make sure there's nothing to learn, then forget the incident and move on.

Even People like Mystery gets rejected.
Hell, that's why he went that far, because he took notes when he did get rejected, and he didn't try to mind-read (which is where you think you know what the other persons reasons are, or how they will respond.)

There's only feedback.
You'll only gain a new experience, regardless of whether it's a rejection or not.

And the positive outweighs the negative, even if you get rejected 30 out of 32 approaches in one night.
It will be an opportunity to learn something, if you are willing to look into it in retrospect.

If you don't learn from your mistakes, then what the hell will you learn from ?
your lucky shots ?
nobody ever has 100% success rate in any field.
and if you are unable to find where your competence doesn't reach, then you are unable, in effect, to expand your competence.

(and that's logic. )

that's probably more than 2 cents.

bonita really makes a great point here.

I should add that in my recent observations after becoming PUA, i'm trying to help AFC friends get better with girls. the ones who take my advice seriously are having success, but the ones who are not, are still struggling.

the interesting thing i've notices is that when they get rejected, they start taking my advice more and applying it a lil better. it seems that rejection tends to make them take it more seriously.

sometimes you don't know how hot the stove is til you touch it yourself.

rejection = the best learning tool you can have as a PUA