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Hurray for Zip!

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I wouldn't be so quick to call all of these people douchebags. What we have to remember is that Good and evil is a point of veiw.

I see people bragging about their ONS here and while I don't like reading these either you have to ask yourself

1. If you finally had sex for the first time in your life or are reaping the benifits of your study of PU wouldn't you want to brag or at least tell somebody about it

2. What if you have commitment issues? Everyone isn't good at relationships, does this mean they should never have sex?

There's always a story behind what shaped a person into what they are today and I don't think just cause they're doing something you disagree with, they should be damned for it (I do believe this is what they call ignorance.) instead we should be trying to understand instead of eradicate.

Ehh but I could be wrong =/

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Don't ever let somebody tell you.. you can't do something. Not even me. All right?

You got a dream.. you gotta protect it. People can't do something themselves, they wanna tell you you can't do it. If you want something, Go get it. Period.

I think what we need is understanding then education. If someone has commitment issues, why do they have them? Do they want commitment issues? if so, so be it. If not what can we do to help.

I see them less as douchebags but more like people who are limiting themselves, sure some girls enjoy being called bitches and hoes but I try to give people advice on being the most productive and having the most options available as possible (thus throwing open the option of ONS with decent women rather that the first girl to respond to hoe). It is not about controlling people or making them see things my way, it is about polishing the raw material to make it more attractive.

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^crux of the matter. each situation is different, so take it that way.

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I agree. First we must understand then educate and if they refuse to atleast try diffrent ways of doing things then they deserve to be weeded out. IMO the only true evil in this world is consious ignorance.

Anywho if you feel this is what you all must do, then by all means go for it. I just wanted to make sure you all had an open before comming to this decision.

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Don't ever let somebody tell you.. you can't do something. Not even me. All right?

You got a dream.. you gotta protect it. People can't do something themselves, they wanna tell you you can't do it. If you want something, Go get it. Period.

good good suggestions... but how do we put these theories and ideas into concrete action?

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seeing as i have no clue how you all plan to "clean the pool" I cant really comment on that. but i can wish ya'll luck

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Don't ever let somebody tell you.. you can't do something. Not even me. All right?

You got a dream.. you gotta protect it. People can't do something themselves, they wanna tell you you can't do it. If you want something, Go get it. Period.

sadly it won't be a 3 step plan to a better world, I think it will come down to getting to know the situation and guiding these people over a period of time.

So yeah just question some goals, guide and women of the forum explain from a women's point f view why if they want to be successful the have to drop the BS (I think ego would make them ignore most guys).

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What everyone is saying is right. The place does have bad and good people.

But there are alot of things that need to be said...such as

The way I type, isnt the way I act. I can call a girl a slut, bitch, and a shitty fuck. But in real life, to her face, or to her friends, or even my friends I'd simply say "Eh Sarah was alright, she had some negative attitudes, and didn't really do much in bed, but im sure i'll call her again"

Not only that but you can't control something like this and make it elitist.

Hell. Thats just what we don't want. We don't want one group of people running this. Otherwise when it gets so big we are all the same. We need those bad apples to have the good apples.

If someone really doesn't like women, enough to where he hits them, then I doubt he will get far in pickup. But even if he does, he won't be any challenge to any respectable pua next to him.

I hope this helps enlighten.

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Also, there is a difference between calling someone a bitch, and saying someone is bitching. I don't like saying any woman, or any person for that matter, is A bitch, but anyone whining in a way that uses it to control a group, especially to make everyone lose the fun vibe, IS bitching.

To say someone is bitching is an attempt to re-establish Alpha Male rights. It's like whipping out an atom bomb though because once it gets used, it leaves a lot of destruction for all involved.

About slut. A couple weeks ago, I was out with my main wing. I open a three set by offering to take a picture for them. I take the first, then say, "Now we need a slutty picture." They posed. I said, "Wait. To be sluts, we need a guy in the picture. I grabbed my wing and they all posed, hanging on him like it was a porno." They loved it.

Another time, I said, "Let's make this one sexy." I waited for poses then said, "I said sexy, not slutty." and they laughed the neg off and reposed. My wing and I had them in set the whole night.

I think you've misunderstood, and that's probably my fault for not being as clear as I could have been.

It's not about getting rid of anyone. People who have one night stands are fine. The "douchebaggery" I was referring to are the actions of people who ignore "leave her better than you found her." The people I was referring to are those who use other people.

Many women are comfortable in their sexuality and do just want no strings attached relationships. However, tricking a woman into sleeping with her by promises or reality-altering NLP patterns (octoberman) is not something I've understood to be the actions of a man with stellar inner game. That is just my opinion.

Another form of the "douchebaggery" is guys who come onto the forum and disrupt the positive and educational environment by calling other members names, cursing up a storm, flaming, and griefing.

As the moderation staff, we weed out those who repeatedly do not adhere to our rules... that's our job. However, I'm not calling for a massive "you stay, you go" action. I'm just saying what can we DO to ensure the community we have here stays positive and is a place where mindsets can open up to a more constructive way of relating to the other sex?

Here's what I offer:

Lead by example. Before bragging how you banged a bitch and made her leave your apartment crying... maybe consider WHY you're posting it. Is it to brag? Is it to teach others? Is it going to positively enhance the other members? Did it really happen? Just considering motivation is something individual members may want to try when typing up a lay report.

There is nothing wrong with lay reports. They are important for each member's journey and as affirmative examples to the other members that it is possible to be physical with other human beings. Bragging to brag, making ONS's up, or showing guys how to harm people is "douchebaggery" to me. Again, just an opinion.

Be there for others. Not every guy who commits acts of "douchebaggery" are douches and not all women who are "bitchy" are bitches. Just as I see a bitch shield as a defense mechanism, I also see negative attitudes and harmful actions as a defense mechanism for many guys in the community. Some people come around. It's important that we are there for them.

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One thing I've also noticed is most of the assholes who treat women bad and brag about how many ONSs they've had are NATURALS. Now I'm not trying to insult anyone is naturally good because natural game is always cool but it seems the guys who use canned openers and pre-planned lines tend to be nicer because they know what it's like to be lonely and many of them want long term relationships. I also believe there is nothing wrong with having a ONS or being friends with benefits as long as you don't trick and manipulate the woman and make her think that this will turn into something more then just sex. Those kinds of people are disgusting and have no place in our community. Tricking and manipulating someone is never cool.

I agree with that zip... But I gots a question...

Are you really a female? -pokes-

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Don't ever let somebody tell you.. you can't do something. Not even me. All right?

You got a dream.. you gotta protect it. People can't do something themselves, they wanna tell you you can't do it. If you want something, Go get it. Period.

The Pick-Up Artist Community was very cruel to begin with. If you look back on first-generation pick-up forum messages and methods, it was very cruel and structured. Diabolic almost. A cult of men looking for the lays, not much of this "It's a lifestyle" was around then. Mystery really emphasized that later on. If you ask me, the Pick-Up Community really cleaned up with a lot of guys now not regarding themselves as Pick-Up Artists but more of men with a passion for women and changing themselves for the better, not plowing through women.

It also isn't fair to judge people as bad apples or good apples, what's right and wrong differs per person and it's unfair to say "This person is bad because they want to do this". Every person's goal is different and nobody here is Jesus, so lets all stop playing Savior.

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Why lie to women, or go for girls with bfs? It confuses me that people within the community behave this way. The skills we learn enable us to pick the best girls. So why would you want a dishonest girl, or to compromise your morals just to get laid. None of which is alpha.
If you were an amazing hunter, you would not hunt the sick/lame beasts. Nor would you go poaching in private enclosed areas.

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