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hey man i have a question. ok so my problem isn't talking to girls, thats the easy part for me. the problem is that i dont know how to go from the negging and flirting stage to a more serious stage. i've had this problem forever so thats why im asking for help


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Thanks Rye, The lab closes in an hour, so I am going straight over there. I will let you know how it goes.

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Done and done. No #-close on account of her bf. But like David D says, the email-close is way less intimidating. You bet she went for that on account that she respects her bf or something. Anyway, that makes two emails closes and one #-close in this week. By far, my most succesful week of sarging yet. My mother is concerned about me and said she would offer to pay for a couple of months of match.com. I am hesitant as hell, but who knows maybe it could work. What do you think of online dating sites?

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hey
I really need to talk to someone wise : )
Im a bit not sure what to do in my life,
I ve got the hottest girlfriend, but she's my first and only and she has done everything and stuff and tho im lucky, i would love to have a relationship with someone who has not "done it"
I have used this girl to get over my anxiety with women and getting comfortable naked in front of other people.
I really loved this girl
But she is not really what i expected

So I am going to a themepark this afternoon with 2 other chicks, one of them gets me in for free cuz she works there and she loves me but she is a slut
the other one, I set up a date to meet there, the other one will be in the park with her friends, ill meet her there (she has got no sexual experience and i would like to bone her)
I have told the one i would like to bone I would be there with another girl but she is just a friend
she got a bit jealous but I told her it was okay, she is already in the themepark right now and she has called a few times already when I would arive
I told her I would be there in a few hours

How do I take it from here, I am not interested in getting sex today cuz its a bit too early for someone with no sexual experience and we have met only 1 time before
so how do i generate enough attraction towards her today, how should I behave
the setting is 2 groups, group one will get me in the park
group two contains the girl i would like to bone

we are sure gonna meet, I know I need to be alpha but not too needy
also im not interested in anyone else than that girl I just dont give a fuck about the people of both groups
I can be nice tho, but i think im not interested in her friends.

Can you give me advice

I know your good rye :p
but thanks if you even to read this :) Your a good pua, a really good one

respect

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Hey Ray Lee! I hope I can get a good opinion from you!
I was together with this HB10, at the beginning everything was OK, but then I didn't saw how AFC I was becoming. The relationship went no were and she ended it just don’t saying a word to me without any explanation just stopped to communicate (we have never talked since then, just with some text messages).
We both are going in the same school. And I have a extreme ONEITIS for her!
The breakup was 8months ago. But I can’t get over her. Since then I have become much more powerful because I understood the mistakes I was making, the experience opened my eyes.
But now I want to get with her together again. We are ignoring each other in school just looking while going by.
How to start to talk to her again? And what should I say?
And maybe another tip how to get your ex back?
Thanks


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Where could I go to find some advice on email game?

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Any idea how to answer the following questions:

-Do you think she is hot?
-Do you think she is hotter than me?

I tried to answer it C&F with: 'ofcourse she is! Look at her, you're nothing compared to her!'
But I'm not sure if it was really the best way to answer... any other ideas?


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 Post subject: Re: Damn I suck
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I am going to lay it out for you straight and honest. I am a senior in high school and I have NEVER had a girl friend before, I have never had any form of sexual encounter before, I have never had a legitimate kiss before, and I either have my standards set to high or I just couldn't really find any girl in my school who I honestly like. I do have one girl who I am seriously considering to try and ask out. Now I have a few problems in my situation. First, I am an introvert and if I was any more of an introvert with just random people I swear i'd be a black hole. My second problem is I have no classes with this girl. I had one last year with her but not anymore this year (I do see her and I can find her if I need to.) My third problem is she's always with her friends. I just can't get myself to even consider making a move since everytime I see her she has four or five friends right next to her. My last problem is I can't tell if she likes me enough to want to go out with me. She's really nice to me and she always says hey to me really enthusiastically, but she does that to pretty much everyone she even remotely likes.

I will say this to my credit (and I'm not trying to make myself look good, I am usually really modest to the point of almost being emo about myself) I am a good guy, my friends are always telling me I could go after basically any non-bitch girl and have a chance, but all my friends are polar opposites in the attitude department from me so they are all extroverts and don't feel like shitting themselves in the prescence of a girl they wanna ask out. I also can't use any of them as a wing man. They all tell me I can do it, but never offer any help, advice and they're always busy so I'm on my own.
Any ideas? I'd really appreciate it.
Take charge of your life. The only way to be able to deal with people, is to go out and learn to interact with them. That doesn't mean you have to be the most popular guy in the school, but you need to interact with people. You need to feel confident that you can do so without thinking that you're sucking the life out of the room like a black hole.

The only way you're going to find out if she wants to go out with you, is by displaying your interest in her. Tell her you want to do something with her and don't be sheepish about it, be confident. You want her, so let her know you want to get together and hang out. If she's showing interest, then you display your interest back and then make a move. Tell her you think she's interesting, that you should do stuff more often, or that you think she's a cool chick (she'll know what any of those REALLY mean).

If she's interested, you'll be able to see it from her reaction (you may have to learn more about how to tell those sorts of things to understand it, but I can't tell you in a single post, there are whole books that cover the subject) and then if she responds positively, then you can kiss her. Make sure you aren't afraid to touch her and that she's ok with you touching her, by using friendly and playful touches (again, read the materials on these things), or going for the kiss isn't gonna go well, nor will starting a relationship, because you haven't even been able to do minor touching.

Good luck!

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Hey Rye Lee, I need some help.

There is this HB7 who i really like. We finally met up at the bar this past Saturday. We have always been flirting and I want to get with her but she has a boyfriend [doesn't go to our college]. At the bar, we were dancing together (even though she hates to dance). I think its a plus that i got her to come up on a dance floor with me. and she was poking my tits, so then i started pokin her tits and she didn't seem to care much, looked like she sort of enjoyed it. And when she left the bar, she kissed me on the cheek, and wanted to hang out afterwards. So i called her but she was at a party... then we texted for a while, this is how it went.(oh yeah i was reall sweaty at the bar so i felt strange making a move, i was dancing crazyyyyy all night haha)


Me: whats you room number? can you buzz me up?

HB7: ha ha very funny

me: Im walkin people back to bromley (by her place) so Ill come by
afterwards

HB7: you cant. Boy toy will be mad

me: who gives a fuck? and who is that?

HB7: I have a boyfriend. I told you that.

me: so your boyfriend doesn't allow you to hang out with guys? doesn't sound like much fun

HB7: at four in the morning? no, other times he doesn't care

me: Lame see ya

HB7:Call me tomorrow!


Any advice? Thanks Rye Lee
My advice is to demonstrate that you like her. That's what you were doing by getting her to come dance with you and she showed that she liked it by doing so even though she doesn't like dancing. Then she initiated some playful touching by poking you and you touched her sexually on her breasts, which she seemed to enjoy. She kissed you on the cheek and wanted to hang out and told you to call her. She is interested and if you just keep showing your interest, then it won't matter if she has a bf or not, cause she'll realise you're man enough for her and if she does like you, then she'll go for it.

Just keep being yourself, but show her that you want her through your actions. If she doesn't like you, then you can't do anything wrong, cause she'll end up stopping you. Do your best to make her attracted and show her that you're attracted and you'll get the best outcome.

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hey there, i was wondering what are good little games to help initiate kino?

i.e. palm reading


im totally lost on kino and think this is a good way to start.


also wondering:
- Where should i look to find out how to progress a relationship w/ someone that i'm decent friends w/?
You don't need games for touching, just be playful. Poke, push, nudge, punch or kick lightly. Those are all really easy to do when you say something that you're jokingly being a dick, or when she says something and you want to pretend to be offended.

For the friends, just show that you're interested. You do that initially by increasing touch and by what you say and how you say it. Convey your attraction to them. It's too late to easily make them attracted to you first, so just be a man, show them how confident you are and let them know that you dig them. If they say they don't feel the same way, then don't back pedal and take it back. Let them know that it's cool and that it won't change things between you, but you'll still be attracted to them anyways; it takes a REAL man to own up to that and if they are only saying it because they are unsure or it's a shit test, then you'll gain their attraction by being so manly and confident.

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hey man i have a question. ok so my problem isn't talking to girls, thats the easy part for me. the problem is that i dont know how to go from the negging and flirting stage to a more serious stage. i've had this problem forever so thats why im asking for help
You need to get over your self confidence issues. Negging and flirting jokingly without being able to be serious is a defense mechanism. It isn't something to be ashamed of, so don't be offended that I'm saying this, it's just the truth.

I realised how true this was just this weekend actually. On friday night there was a girl I wanted to start something with, but there were bunch of people around that I was worried about making uncomfortable by showing my interest blatantly. Instead of just manning up and showing my attraction for her seriously, I made some joking comments and flirted, but didn't get serious. Afterwards I realised that it was just a self defense mechanism to keep me from getting hurt in any way by being rejected in front of all those people.

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Done and done. No #-close on account of her bf. But like David D says, the email-close is way less intimidating. You bet she went for that on account that she respects her bf or something. Anyway, that makes two emails closes and one #-close in this week. By far, my most succesful week of sarging yet. My mother is concerned about me and said she would offer to pay for a couple of months of match.com. I am hesitant as hell, but who knows maybe it could work. What do you think of online dating sites?
Good job man! Keep working on getting something going with her and don't even think about the fact that she has a bf. That's her thing to deal with, not yours. If she likes you enough, she'll have no problem forgetting about him for you.

I personally have no like for dating sites. I've been on a few and never seen much use for them. I guess if you're willing to pay, then it could be good to meet some people, but you can just as easily do that in person and create a stronger connection that is more natural. If you can do it in person, then that's what I'd suggest, because you're still gonna have to meet up with the girls from online eventually and if you can't interact in person, then it's pointless to meet them online.

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hey
I really need to talk to someone wise : )
Im a bit not sure what to do in my life,
I ve got the hottest girlfriend, but she's my first and only and she has done everything and stuff and tho im lucky, i would love to have a relationship with someone who has not "done it"
I have used this girl to get over my anxiety with women and getting comfortable naked in front of other people.
I really loved this girl
But she is not really what i expected

So I am going to a themepark this afternoon with 2 other chicks, one of them gets me in for free cuz she works there and she loves me but she is a slut
the other one, I set up a date to meet there, the other one will be in the park with her friends, ill meet her there (she has got no sexual experience and i would like to bone her)
I have told the one i would like to bone I would be there with another girl but she is just a friend
she got a bit jealous but I told her it was okay, she is already in the themepark right now and she has called a few times already when I would arive
I told her I would be there in a few hours

How do I take it from here, I am not interested in getting sex today cuz its a bit too early for someone with no sexual experience and we have met only 1 time before
so how do i generate enough attraction towards her today, how should I behave
the setting is 2 groups, group one will get me in the park
group two contains the girl i would like to bone

we are sure gonna meet, I know I need to be alpha but not too needy
also im not interested in anyone else than that girl I just dont give a fuck about the people of both groups
I can be nice tho, but i think im not interested in her friends.

Can you give me advice

I know your good rye :p
but thanks if you even to read this :) Your a good pua, a really good one

respect

Peace
Thanks Stekehmrt, I appreciate the sentiment even though I wouldn't actually call myself a PUA; I'm not really into getting a ton of girls, I'm after quality rather than quantity. :wink:

My advice for you is in two parts:

First, if you really like your girl now, but just want to get a different girl because you want someone that hadn't "done it all", then I think you need to re-evaluate what you're truly trying to gain out of that. There's nothing worse than breaking up with a girl and then finding out that you screwed up severely because you were searching for something you didn't really want, you were just uncomfortable with getting as much as you had and you didn't think you were worth it. That may not be the case, as you said that she turned out to not be who you thought she was, but I urge you to give it some serious consideration before doing anything you can't undo.

Secondly, although it's too late to address that particular situation, you need to keep in mind your focus. If you are interested in a specific person, then don't concern yourself too much with everyone else. Don't ignore everyone else and pay all your attention to her, but don't let anything else get in the way of your objective of creating a bond between you two. Doesn't matter if there's 1 group or 50, you only have so much time and focus, so you have to place it where it is most needed.

Show your attraction to her is how you build attraction. Show her that you're interested with your actions. Show her that you like hanging out with her and that's why you're there. Don't play stupid games and try to make her jealous or pretend like you're not interested. I'm not saying that her being jealous is a bad thing, it just shouldn't be something you try to simulate by paying attention to other girls when you're really interested in her. Women want to have men attracted to them, so let her see that you are, just don't be a pussy about it and suplicate to her, be a man about it.

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Hey Ray Lee! I hope I can get a good opinion from you!
I was together with this HB10, at the beginning everything was OK, but then I didn't saw how AFC I was becoming. The relationship went no were and she ended it just don’t saying a word to me without any explanation just stopped to communicate (we have never talked since then, just with some text messages).
We both are going in the same school. And I have a extreme ONEITIS for her!
The breakup was 8months ago. But I can’t get over her. Since then I have become much more powerful because I understood the mistakes I was making, the experience opened my eyes.
But now I want to get with her together again. We are ignoring each other in school just looking while going by.
How to start to talk to her again? And what should I say?
And maybe another tip how to get your ex back?
Thanks
Stop avoid the issue. Walk up to her and start a conversation. Ask her how it's going, start talking about how you've been and some cool shit you've been up to. Show her that you've got your life in order and you you're confident in yourself. You're gonna supplicate and do nothing but show her attention anymore, you've got your own life to live and you're LOVING IT!

Then show her that you're still interested in her by telling her you want to do something. Make it something fun and BE fun. Show her that you're attracted to her by touching her when it's appropriate and looking at her with interest. Don't hide your attraction and try to play games, she wants you to display your attraction, cause that's what's gonna turn her on.

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Where could I go to find some advice on email game?
Check out JSmooth's online game thread. He's been reported as an expert with online game. I'm really good with texting and instant messaging, as well as emailing, but that's all situationally speaking. In a more general sense, J is the man I'd recommend, hands down.

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