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PostPosted: Wed Sep 24, 2008 3:51 pm 
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Inspried by a question in the chat a few nights ago, I found a topic that was missing from the forum (yes, we have not covered ALL topics).

To some PUAs, typically extremists, "one-itis" should be avoided at all costs. Part of their game relies on them not getting attached to any particular girl, and juggling several women allows them to not get too attached. This strategy works for some, and I do believe there are some times when you just have to let someone go and find someone else (or multiple people).

Anyway, my point is this. Not everyone has the same motives and that is great! Some guys are looking for a LTR but do not have the confidence with women. Some aren't looking to go out and meet a bunch of girls, they are just looking for that one....or maybe they already have that special one in mind.

Mistakes are expected early on, but instead of moving on to other women (like many would say)...there needs to be some info on how to salvage a relationship. While particular details do matter (there are some mistakes that you can't rebound from), here is a general idea of what to do assuming there was initial attraction and then someone (not blaming anyone) messed up:

1. Identify the mistake (action, words, feelings, lack of feelings etc...). Consider both your actions and her actions. Put yourself in her shoes and examine the problem as if you were her. For example, did she insult you (not tease) and you insulted her back? If so, the blame is not completely on her. While she did instigate the problem, you may have fueled it. To be safe, take the high road and don't fire back with insults. In the long run, you can't be blamed at all.

2. Establish contact. Freeze outs are a common and effective tool when you are trying to get someone to chase you, or if you are punishing someone. But when someone is mad at you, a freezeout is counterproductive. Their goal is to freeze you out too...and they see it as a game...a game that they want to win. If they can freeze you out longer, then they win the battle. My point here is twofold: (1) a mutual freezeout just exacerbates the issue (2) at this stage, it isn't a game anymore--these are real feelings and you can't use routines. It isn't about creating attraction, it is about saving a relationship. Some form of communication should be made by the next morning.

Contact can be though any medium, though I suggest face-face or phone...it is more personal. This isn't always possible if one or both of you are livid and cannot bare to see each other. This contact should be sincere!

3. What to say? Here is the topic for debate. My views: drop all game immediately. You need to go for the sincere approach. Some will argue this is AFC. But look up the definition of AFC and it is far from that. AFC describes a guy that does not know how to act around women and says/does the wrong things at the wrong times. There is a misconception that PUAs are jerks, but there are plenty of nice guys out there too. Your message should convey that you know there is a problem, you would like to sort it out maturely, and that if you both need time to cool down first that is understandable.

It is better to let things settle down a few days rather than try and solve a heated problem immediately...though the sooner the better. Make sure she knows you understand her point of view. Don't just say "inunderstand your POV" say "If I were in your shoes I would feel that way too because..." If you don't understand her POV, ASK HER!! She will know you care then. Don't be afraid to share your POV, she needs to understand that just as much. Many arguements come from simple misunderstandings or assumptions. It is a shame they get out of hand bc people are afraid to clear them up.

4. An unselfish action. Typically, both parties are guilty in arguments in some way. Women have a preconception of all men...they lie and they are insincere. It is not true of all men, but it is difficult for women to sort the good guys out from the ones who are all talk. Sometimes you can say you are sorry and that it won't happen again, but if she is hurt badly enough, she has no reason to accept an apology and a verbal promise (not in today's world where promises are often broken). You need to show her that you are sorry. She is looking for an unselfish gesture...it can be something sincere, time-consuming, or embarrassing for yourself. By doing this, you are investing in her.

5. "I'm sorry." These can be scary words for some. But the key is this...you don't want to say "I'm sorry" before you have fully discussed the problem (side note: unless it is a small prob and you know the full extent of everything...then just say sorry and get it over with). If you say "I'm sorry" before the problem is talked out, then your apology has less meaning the second time you say it. When you say sorry, you don't want to say it like that anyway....you should say it in context of the argument..."I'm sorry that we had a misunderstanding. I didn't realize you would care if I hung out with my ex" or whatever the problem was.

6. Transition. Transitioning from an awkward fight to something more cheerful can be tough. But you don't want to leave right after the dispute is solved...you want to end on a better note--an attractive note. I would say it is ok to be random here. You can even poke fun of how awkward it is to change the subject--just make sure you pick something completely off the wall. "So now that that is settled, it reminds me of (insert something random here"...you will probably get a laugh out of it and then just go from there.


It is hard to speak in generalities because there are some exceptions. I think the hardest step is number 1. Many people get stuck in their own POV and never consider that others have different experiences, values, and beliefs which shape their POV. If you truly understand her, she will be more responsive.


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I like this B, I think this advice will come in very useful for many guys here including myself.

As a side note: it's incredibly sexy for women to see that the guy can admit when he's wrong and be man enough to apologize for it. So don't wait until you've completely fucked up to admit you made a mistake, do it as soon as you realize that your argument is flawed. It's a fine line between being a pushover and a self assured, confident man who knows when to acknowledge his mistakes.

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nicely said. afc's in this forum should read your post, it will help improve inner selves. it is always good to have a good foundation.


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Very good post, Bonita!


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Nice post. I believe so many of us have gone through the phase of being a total social robot, avoiding much of what you mentioned. Nice read.


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Very nice post!

I was thinking for quiet some time about point 3, if it is AFC when you dropped your game to show real intrest for a girl. I thought it wasn't AFC but because its so different from the other things people said on this forum i was not sure. Now i am, so thank you for that :D


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great post, but one-itis and LTRs are completely different.

Avoiding LTRs is IMO a sign of weakness for PUAs.

Avoiding one-itis is healthy. One-itis is when you obsess over a girl you can't have, once had and lost, and compare all other women to her. Not healthy.

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Moderated this post: Split topic. Moved random pissing the cheerleader's bed to the newbie section.

Unfortunately, kasabi's reply to this thread got lost in the process, so here it is, for your viewing pleasure.
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ZIP is right.

"One-itis" is by definition is a disease that a guy contracts when he thinks about only 1 girl and gets all fucked up. This is different from dating 1 girl exclusively in a "healthy" manner.

Thus we ought to add # 0.1 to that original list and that is HOW to figure out "Is this girl worth it? Do I really dig her or am I just being a sappy wuss? Is she really a beautiful person or is she a low life piece of shit?" (We're force fed this "everybody is beautiful" crap but really . . . this is one of the big lies of life. There are a ton of crazy ass negative energy suckers out there and too many people, both men and women, just accept being robbed of happiness)

And of course this is where "dating 1 girl exclusively" can become a problem. It becomes incredibly difficult to gauge the quality of the girl when there is no reference point. AFC's ask each other these questions all the time, "Does your girl do this and that? Does she scream and yell? Is she like this and that?" Of course the answers don't matter because all AFC's ever do is nod and try to "salvage" what they think is all they have.

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Moderated this post: Split topic. Moved random pissing the cheerleader's bed to the newbie section.
haha...I like your comedic, yet outright honest response. Thanks for moving that one Zip :)


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Great post Bonita... this is an aspect of my relationship life which I had trouble with for a very long time and just over the past 6 months I believe have tuly began making measured progress after studying John Greys work.

Also I would add (at least for my particular 'Alpha-type'), that sometimes you need to have the little fights and let her win. Personally I'm very laid back... but also extremely convicted on certain things... Often this would cause my LTRs to end over 1 single fight... You see I would never sweat any of the small stuff at all... not even enough to mention it... so by the time she would hit an issue that would actually cause a fight it was a big one... one that would be a my way or the highway breaking point for me... having never fought with me and being able to win sometimes with most men I would guess causes women to want to test this breaking point... which at least in all of my previous relationships ended with me breaking up with her.

Moral of the story... sometimes you need to fight a little on the small stuff so you can let her win... That would be my .02$ :-)


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Thanks Doctor...ughh The Doctor? Doc?

You bring up an excellent point that I didnt conciously think about until now. Many time in LTR couples are so scared of having their first fight. This bults up anxiety about the first fight and when that time comes (and oh it will) couples may feel like they can't work it out even if it is something small. So by letting a girl win small arguments, you are just desensitizing both of you to a bigger argument. It is like builing a tolerance to the fights. Some fights you do need to hold your ground...but smaller fights can be beneficial I believe. Thanks for sparking that train of though Doctor!


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Now I Know this is not where to post a question but I really feel like I need help with this situation and its driving me crazy...

Basically this girl at work(i see once a week) I met 3 weeks ago, got her number and told we'll go out to a party. She bails on the party, so I dont end up seeing for two weeks. Til about yesterday where I kinda ignored her, didnt show her I was pissed or anything was myself. She comes she says hi to me and creates conversation. I wasnt being rude so I just brushed it off like nothing, she didnt give an excuse for not going. Anywho, she intiates that tommorow(today) she has a day off and that we definately hang out. I tell her i'll see. Later on in the shift I said I need to go shopping and if she wants she can come with me. Shes like sure, I said tommorow ill pick you up at 4. So today rolls around, and i call her around 3:30, leave a message, no respond the whole day. no nothing. Now I dont know if should just completely ignore her or what. Thats twice she bailed on me, but she is showing total intrest. so i dont know... err one itis maybe?


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Now I Know this is not where to post a question but I really feel like I need help with this situation and its driving me crazy...

Basically this girl at work(i see once a week) I met 3 weeks ago, got her number and told we'll go out to a party. She bails on the party, so I dont end up seeing for two weeks. Til about yesterday where I kinda ignored her, didnt show her I was pissed or anything was myself. She comes she says hi to me and creates conversation. I wasnt being rude so I just brushed it off like nothing, she didnt give an excuse for not going. Anywho, she intiates that tommorow(today) she has a day off and that we definately hang out. I tell her i'll see. Later on in the shift I said I need to go shopping and if she wants she can come with me. Shes like sure, I said tommorow ill pick you up at 4. So today rolls around, and i call her around 3:30, leave a message, no respond the whole day. no nothing. Now I dont know if should just completely ignore her or what. Thats twice she bailed on me, but she is showing total intrest. so i dont know... err one itis maybe?
If you know its not the place then why the hell would you post it here?


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I finally decided to read this post... Great! Most PUAs suck at relationships... I love the way you describe why freezeouts dont work if someone is angry with you. I need to change that immediately...


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EXCELLENT ***quote Mr. Burns

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