what is a shit test exactly?
and how do i identify one?

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Shit tests tend to be a female sort of neg that doesn't insult you very much, but the desired response they are looking for is to get you to TRY to DHV to them, but failing responses are ones that actually DLV yourself.

Shit Test: When a chick does or says something which is meant to judge the reaction or response from a male, whether the test is done consciously or unconsciously.

This is a definition taken from http://www.fastseduction.com/acronyms.shtml
This is the definition from the list of terms posted by Krylon on this forum, in the Newbie Section.[/quote]

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I don't call my self a PUA but I am not an amateur either.. Lately there is this HB that ive been wanting to get with, but there is a slight problem. She has a boyfriend. Ive known her for a while now, but always with a boyfriend. So I think it;s time that I go to steal her out. I feel that if I dont make my move soon, she will just think of my as an other friend. When I am at clubs, she ussually preffers to hang out with me than with her boyfriend.What should I do in this situation? Should I just hit on her, or take a bit more easy?? Or should i just wait until they break up?

The only way it's gonna happen is if one of you make the move. Now you could just sit around and wait and let it rest upon her, or you could take action and let it be up to you to make it happen.

If you wait, it will definitely be harder to turn around later, I don't believe I've seen many exceptions where friends became more after more than a short while.

If you decide to make it up to you, then I'd suggest going indirect to get around her shields and then ramp up the sexual tension.

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Well looks like this one has the resident mPUA stumped so here's my take:

She wants you as a smoke buddy. You didn't game her, you didn't build enough attraction, ergo the kiss "rejection". You do however have lots of comfort. Which means very soon, she will see you as a friend, and start telling you all sorts of silly shit while she's high. I'm not saying it's impossible to get out of that zone, but you'll be at a disadvantage if you do want to pursue some kind of relationship with her.

If you want her, game her. Don't half ass it.

P.S. I have the "rejection" in quotes because she didn't say no, she just made a weird sound. Turning the head is not a good sign but as the saying goes, make the ho say no.

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Dear Rye,

I found out that one of the girls I work with recently got married. We've been colleagues for about a year. Thing is, I have feelings for her. We think and talk the same way, I tease her about her quirky mannerisms and she reciprocates with tons of IOIs. There's a good deal of sexual tension between us. I never made the move because of things in her personal life and things in mine, and she never mentioned the boyfriend (now hubbie) when she was around me.

I do not have oneitis over her, but I think I'm feeling pain or jealousy right now, not sure which and not sure why.

How do I act like an adult about this? I just want to be happy for her.

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I understand your pain man, it's very similar to how you feel when you find out the girl you're into has a bf, or just gets a bf and you're supposed to be happy for her that she's happy, but instead you're pissed off that he's in the way. Only with a bf you an AMOG him out, you can destroy him and make her way more interested in you, but with marriage that's not something you're gonna do from what I know of you, because you're a good guy.

I've had many situations in my life where I needed to be happy for someone and I wasn't able to truly feel that right away, so instead, I pretended I was alright outwardly, but didn't extend myself too much, I was merely polite when it came to the topic. Internally you can feel pissed off, but you're gonna work towards understanding that she's happy, that he makes her happy and she's found that thing that we're all searching for and that being her friend, you're glad for her. This won't happen over night and it damn well shouldn't because you've still got your emotions and haven't become a robot yet.

Practice the policy of "If you don't have something nice to say, then don't say anything at all." and try not to dwell on it, because it will make the pain go away a lot faster if you are able to do that. Try not to change the way you treat her any more than you need to to make yourself still feel comfortable, because if you've been having fun and flirting, it doesn't have to end now, UNLESS you can't take it any more because you feel weird hitting on a girl you can't have.

I know women that are married or in serious relationships, but they have a guy that they flirt with playfully and they give each other IOIs and it seems to be their way of dealing with monogomy; they may not be able to touch, but they can look and talk anyways. Maybe you're that guy for her and you're a very important part of her life. Hopefully you can find consolation in that and if not, then you could always use your powers for evil and have her anyways, but like I said, knowing what I do of you, I don't think you will.

P.S. Thanks for taking care of that old post, I've been going through some stuff recently and if you're interested, you can reply to any posts I haven't, or any that take me more than a couple days to get to. Here's your 15 minutes!

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Easy room (people),
Been doing the research read the Game and after finally coming over some depressing moments in my life decided to get this game started.

Il explain my situation, firstly I am 22 asian(indian) from the UK, just wanna enhance my chances you know,I am well educated hold a good job, but all the women I have slept with in the past have all been friends first kinda like via another mate, I mean ive had my fair share but never felt like I earned it if that makes sense as being at university its pretty easy all the time, finally ended a relationship in March, now wanna go out there meet some new ladies, but dont seem to know what to say or what to do, like meeting em in a mall or something kinda grow shy of the fact they with their mates im with one guy etc etc. I need some openers some routines some kinda guidance, I got no problem with my own methods just take so god dam long or normally end up in the LJBF dept.

I duno maybe im paranoid but being asian for some strange reason i automatically assume I must game asian women though the hotter women where im from are all white (no racism intended) I wanna go upto them but have no idea what to say too scared and think she will just give me the whole Im busy routine or she will just walk straight past me.

so people people people A brother needs help routines, openers, do's and dont's, overcoming fear??? maybe in malls, parks, the standard shops i see em but freeze never have the guts, how do i overcome groups of hot women?? also anyone know any good operners/routines in bars etc.......

Like I've said before, I don't really give out routines and openers.

I'd say that your biggest issue is you inner game and you need to realise who you are and have some confidence in that. You're afraid to go talk to girls because you think they'll reject you, which is perfectly natural and everyone has to go through that, so you just have to work through it. Don't makes excuses for it just because you are asian, I know a lot of asian guys that have amazing success with white women, because they are confident in themselves and they own it.

Approach it just like it is, there is nothing wrong with being asian and approaching a white chick, it makes you different from the very start and so it could be viewed as a good thing actually. Just start opening sets and work through it.

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I'm currently dealing with some stuff in my life that is taking up a lot of my energy and focus. I've always strived to give you guys the best advice I can here and answer questions as quickly as possible, but you may have noticed that lately I've been slow replying and this is why. I don't like leaving your questions unanswered as I know they're important to you and I don't want to pawn it off on someone else, because you came here to as me a question directly.

So, because of this, I'm going to lock this thread until further notice, at which point hopefully all the stuff going on right now will be resolved and I can give your questions my full focus and answer them well for you.

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Alright, I've still got a few things going on in my life, so I appologize to anyone if I take more than a day or two to reply, but I promised myself I would re-open this thread in September and so I'll do my best to answer all your questions as they arrive!

The bartender is in, so tell me what's on your mind!

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like this girl and we hung out, we were gonna go drive a few hours away go do some stuff but her mother over heard her and now we got to stay within the area, so we stayed within our city and hung out had fun made out a bit and i took her home said good night, then later on next week i went to a party and she was there we talked a bit but she also was talking and hanging out with another guy i felt more so then what she was with me,

but of course she doesnt like him cause he already asked her out and she said no, so anyways I left the party and went back to her house a few days later and hung with her and some friends she was talking to her friends and me but was a litle distance but still being talkative, we hung in the sauna a bit and then went back in to watch a movie,

later we were discussing with everyone if we were gonna canoe down the river we hadnt agreed yet but she said she woudl call with the decision she called me up and i came over the next day but they already went she said they didnt go far and it was a last minute thing, we hung out and then i left and now i am wondering does she like me and should i persue this?

Well you didn't say anything about any sort of physical contact aside from making out the first time you guys hung out. You need to realise that physical contact is what seperates "just friends" from more.

If you are still interested in making this go somewhere, then get some physical contact going; hug her when you see her, kiss her when you've built up some sexual tension. Build that sexual tension by being playful with your touches; shoulder bump her when you're sitting beside her, with a big smile on your face; playfight, tickle each other, bite her neck gently. Stand face-to-face, but offset, so one of your legs is between hers and one of hers is between yours, then you lean your upper body back and gaze into her eyes while talking with a softer and lower pitched voice, put a hand on her hip or hold her hand and intertwine your fingers with hers. I tend to sway back and forth a bit when I do this and cock my head from side-to-side (not very quickly, cause it would look silly, but just kinda with they rythm of the conversation).

This will work well if she's still interested and she'll be quickly seduced if you do it properly, but if she isn't interested, she won't go for it, in which case that'll let you know whether to bother pursuing it further. Theres a lot of different reasons that she might be being aloof, so unless you get a actual signal to indicate that she's not interested, then I wouldn't stop yet. Perhaps she is wondering why YOU haven't been doing those sorts of things and being more aggressive with her and she thinks that either you don't have the stones to be her man, or YOU aren't interested anymore.

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thanks for the advice but actually, i rushed it with the making out and everything else......when you build sexual attractoin for a girl and what not she will be wanting you but say you hang out for the first time and make out with her sexual tension will drop and sometimes there is nothing you can do to get it back cause there sexual desire of you has been met......so with me making out with her right away it blew my chancs pretty good i should of worked up the tension more....

anyways her saying her mother didnt want her to leave the city please if she wanted to she could, and the whole getting further and further thing i moved to fast for sure i think....first the party hanging with the guy, then her house being distance and then not calling me the next day but hanging out for a bit......every meeting is getting shorter and shorter the truth is she just doesnt want to hurt my feelings some girls are like that you know they dont come out straight and tell you i dont have sexual feelings for you anymore or never have...

.instead they do it covertly in this case where she got further and further away, party talking to the guy avoiding me abit avoiding me more at her house and then not calling me to come over till canoeing was done plus her mohter saying she couldnt leave the city im thinking this is all second thought stuff and yeah most girls just arent blunt saying back off they give hints like she did right here............sorry for the questoiin that i already knew the anwser too caues this happened 2 months ago, i just find it weird how pua's find themselves thinking they are experts at relationships.....keep up the good work though

If this happened 2 months ago and you haven't kissed her or anything since then, then it should have been a pretty obvious answer. If you hadn't kissed her and this distance persisted for more than 2 weeks I would have said it was through.

Although now that you've given all this extra info the picture is pretty clear and I agree with you that she just LJBFed you, you need to learn to be more open minded on a few things. I know a LOT of people that wouldn't leave the city if their mother told them not to, quite a few of them in their 20's; there's tons of people that respect authority and family highly enough to do that. Kissing a girl the first time you hang out with her isn't a bad thing either, as long as you do things right (not just kissing, the whole picture). If you go about it properly, then you haven't sated her desire for you, she will always want more and you can sleep with her the first get together, without any negative consequences at all.

For instance, the last girl that I went out with felt an obligation towards her family and so even though she didn't want to hang out with them and she complained that she did want to hang out with me, if something came up, she felt she had to choose them over me (my best friend growning up was/is the same way and he's almost 24 and hasn't lived at home for 3 years). The first time I hung out with her after getting her number, we met at a club and got about an hour and a half together before they shut down early because a bouncer got jumped by 6 guys. I ended up kissing her that night and then a few nights later she came over to my place and we had sex after having known each other for around 3-4 hours and less than a week. We stayed in a relationship for a while and just because we got physical so soon, that didn't change anything, we had sex the next night even and she wanted to see me every night for the next 2 weeks until I ended up leaving the city on business for a weekend.

You definitely need to conduct yourself properly in order for those types of things to work, but just because it didn't work this time, doesn't mean that it doesn't work at all. Adopting limiting beliefs like that will only reduce the amount of things you get to experience and the possibilities you have in life.

As far as your comment about PUAs thinking they know stuff about relationships, I'm not sure whether that was directed at me or not, but I hope not. I've never toted myself about as a relationship expert and I detest the label of PUA. I don't consider myself a PUA, I've never wanted to be a PUA because I don't have the sets of values that PUAs tend to have; I like quality, not quantity and I actually prefer relationships versus one-night stands. I understand they psychology of people and I've got a lot of life experience, as well as having studied pickup extensively though, so I do have a large knowledge base and although sometimes I'm wrong, fairly often I'm right and when I'm not, it's usually because the person posing the question left out important information. I consider myself qualified, because other people tell me I know things, not because I think I know things. I'll agree that a lot of PUAs think they know about relationships, when really the way a relationship runs is a bit different (although not completely different, many things remain the same, or only slightly change), unfortunately I don't think you were in a relationship, as that was your first time hanging out together and nothing ever happened again after that....

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