hey dude.....
just wanna thank you for the answers to my previous questions......i've implemented the information and have achieved the desired results....

which brings me to my next question.....

end game....
here was the situation....
it was me and my wing.....plus two other chicks.....
we were going to walk to get something to eat when my wings chick grabs a cab and demands her friend to follow......i had it in the bag up until that happened......
with her friend getting in the car i'm sure she would've felt like a bad friend not to mention a bit of a slut if she would've stayed with me.....
my questions is how to i avoid this?
if the target wants to go but her friend doesn't.......
how do i still get her to come with me?

Dude? DUDE?! Dude she's a lovely young lady who happens to know a lot about dating and relationships and strives to maintain a professional attitude in her dealings with the countless people she has helped. I can see that my advice on calling hot chicks "dudes" has gone awfully awry, and for that I can only pray for God's (and Zip's) forgiveness.

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Zip thanks for this excellent thread. I've now read all 65 pages of it and did it gradually over a few weeks. I was intrigued by the previous comment you made, that storytelling is the greatest skill AFC's on this forum can arm themselves with, to becoming much more advanced PUAs.

Can you please suggest how guys can start becoming vastly better storytellers than they currently are ; like do you suggest guys set themselves the goal of basically enriching their life experiences a lot more, via : 1] going as far as they can in their educations (as in attending university), 2] starting to travel more (whether travelling in one's own country of residence to place/s they've never visited before and also travelling overseas), 3] becoming more active fiction and nonfiction book readers (while avoiding coming across as a smug brainiac whenever they're conversing with ladies and are discussing what they've read),
4] visiting comedy clubs to improve their sense of humor, 5] taking up a sport and / or going to the gym to stay in shape, 6] starting to take up an interest in topics most women are interested in (like fashion, clothes, etc.), or basically all the things I've listed.

Thank you for reading the thread. I'm sure it was a hoot to read my old advice and then my new stuff.

You basically just gave your own advice. All good ways of creating your own lifestyle. What was the question there? lol

btw... gave a seminar on "the art of the DHV" in which I described in detail the art of storytelling.

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Hey Zip, got a question for ya!

What would an average girl think of a guy telling her he's still a virgin? And I'm not talking about the AFC kind of guy, I"m talking about someone who knows what he's doing.

Thanks in advance! (and for all the other great advice, ofcourse!)

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Hey Zip, I got something I could use a girl's take on.

In your opinion, and for girls in general, when a girl likes a guy, drops all the hints etc, but the guy either doesn't pick up on it or act on it, how long do those feelings stay with the girl, and how does it affect the girl to interact with that guy.
And, if the guy were to ask out that girl, would she be up for it because she liked him, or be offended because he took his time.

Thanks heaps.

Hm. Depends if she's ever popped a virgin before. If she hasn't, she's going to think it's adorable and a challenge. Women do like nurturing and teaching. However, if she's been down that road, she may be turned off because she knows that the first time IS going to suck. And it's going to continue to suck. For a while.

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Here's the deal... one of the men I dated exclusively for a very long time "caught" me this way. He acted like he didn't pick up on the hints. I was completely caught off guard. I tried to change my game plan (way before I knew about game, however, girls are born playing it) and he kept on deciding not to pick up the pieces I put down. Now, he kept a certain vibe under the whole experience. We played thumb war all the time (I was either awesome at it, or he let me win to make up for the fact he was torturing me on the inside.)

Point is, it made me freak out when he actually asked me on a date. He told me he had been playing it a certain way the entire time, and we laughed about how well it worked.

If you act oblivious to a girl's hints, she's going to be intrigued and frustrated. However, if you don't keep her actively interested and involved (kino always becomes WELCOME in these instances... so take advantage of it) she will lose interest and move on to someone who will beg on their needs for her.

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I have a friend who's going through this at the moment.

She works with a guy she likes. She likes him a lot. Then again so do two other girls.

My friend is beautiful. Great body as well as her personality but her self-esteem isn't backing up her beauty. She's worried that she might get rejected by this guy. She tries to flirt with him and invite him to places but he never really seems to get the hint that she wants to fuck him. The guy comes across as being very nice and laid-back so she just thinks that this is part of his personality.

Personally, I think he's scared to make the move. His prior experience in dating consist of one girl and they went out for months.

I just wonder about my friend. She's clearly frustrated because this has been going on for almost 4 months now. She's also worried about her competition. It seems like it's doomed but I think eventually he will just have to do a move. He already knows that she likes him.

I find this really interesting. She works with this guy and so do the girls that like him too. The whole social circle revolves around their working environment and he's clearly the one that women want. I just wonder if this is the power of the social circle or just the guy's charm. I just don't see the charm though.

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It's of course the power of the social circle. That's with EVERYTHING. Microcosm Attraction Theory (It's in my member journal.)

She either needs to play harder or make a move and deal with the consequences (the other girls will retaliate and the guy could deny her.)

I'm betting the other two girls are actively giving hints as well. Actively pursuing him. Your friend needs to make HIM come to her. Give a hint of cruel disinterest with a smile. Make HIM come to HER. That's how she's going to stand out and win.

LATER EDIT: of course, I always say NO to gaming people you work with. It's silly and not work it. Always has a bad outcome in the end.

Is your friend really into this guy, or is it more of the fact she wants to win? I always want to win, but I've learned to curtail that drive within myself (to beat the other girls out of a chance with a guy... not even interested in the guy.)

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My friend is really into this guy. She's not the competitive type and was really the first girl to be into him. She's just freaking out about one girl who likes him.

And this is the thing too. He's OBLIVIOUS! He never flirts with anyone and will never give the slightest impression that he's into her or anyone in particular. She sometimes feels dumb for even trying.

I wonder about her. She's not ugly at all and with the body that she has, you would think that she would maybe be stuck-up but that's not the case. She has super low-self esteem and she doesn't think highly of herself. As a girl, Zip, can you maybe help me figure out as to why she's that way?

I don't think she's thought highly of herself ever since her and her boyfriend broke up like around Jan 07. She dated him when she was 15 and he was like 24 and they dated for about 4 years I think. The reason why they broke up was because he couldn't really see a future with her for another 3 years. She got really upset and thought it wasn't worth having a relationship.

But they have been sleeping together on and off and I know wants to move on but can't. I think she's kissed other guys but nothing that lead to sex. I always thought women were better at coping with difficult situations than men but it's been so long since she's been in this state. I hate to see a girl like her not fulfill her potential in showing off her personality as well as her sex appeal. She's got this IT factor and yet she doesn't even know it.

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As far as her self-esteem goes... it doesn't matter how she looks. It's all inner core shit. I can't really knock it because I don't know enough about her.

As far as breaking up with a guy... it usually takes about half the amount of time they were together for her to be COMPLETELY over it. I mean COMPLETELY. 4 years? 2 years until she's not even thinking about him anymore. That rule can be ridiculously wrong for a super-powered self-esteem monster of a girl, but your friend needs more time (it sounds like.)

Look, what she needs to do if the guys is TRULY oblivious to the situation is to do what Sinn said his friend does.... logistics. Figure out how the guy ends up alone with her at the right time. Then, she direct games him without freaking him out. She needs to set everything up so that it's absolutely primal that he kisses her.

I mean, if everyone's hanging out, she figures out some way that it makes sense that he's alone with her, or back at her house. Girls are good at this stuff. She'll figure it out. Then, she sets the mood without being slutty. She demonstrates that she is a worthy candidate, possibly shows a bit of what she likes about herself (physically and mentally) off. She lets her hair down, or lets her dress fall off her shoulder (and she pulls it back up slowly and nonchalantly.)

She makes some pithy statement, she looks at the stars, she locks eyes with him for a moment, then breaks, then looks back.... basically, she makes it seem like his idea to break the friendship and go for something more.

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its odd how three girls prefer this oblivious guy isn't it? specially with u around makes u think about the effectiveness of all this pua stuff.

This oblivious guy is being sought after by three women because of a combination of the microcosm attraction theory and competitive nature of women (esp. with other women.)

Here's the microcosm attraction theory

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66 pages. Damn.

At this time, I'd like to give you big kudos for all the hard work and dedication that you have put into, not only this thread, but every part of this forum. You have helped many, many men lead a fuller, happier life.

Thank you.

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