Do you find yourself bored with your success? Do you use the same material over and over again, but rarely fail to get the girl? Do these symptoms leave you bored with women as people?

The only remedy to all of these is to unlearn the M3 Model. Become a natural. You already know how to ready body language, you have confidence, and you know how to sexually escalate. You have the criteria of a natural, but aren't redirecting your abilities.

Canned material, is are great training wheels. It does a good job simulating conversation. But, thats all it is a simulation of a real conversation. You already have your responses in mind to anything she says. After constant success, canned material is no longer training wheels, but a crutch. You have to adapt.

Isn't it boring to go out and use the same pool of material every night? Sure you are successful, but where is the fun? The road to a goal is the part you should most enjoy. That is where you are truly alive. Canned material is great, but you very much pay the price in a measure of your personality in using it.

The natural enjoys every minute in romancing a woman. Because, most natural are romantics at heart. They let their personality flow from their lips. The two things that make naturals attract women are :

1. Confidence
2. Ability to sexually stimulate a women.

If you have had months of success, including sexual ventures then you should know how to please a women, and are quiet confident in yourself. Then all you need to do is start talking to women like you would a friend. If you exude confidence everything will work. You won't even need to use negs. A natural doesn't neg a woman to get her attention, he just approachs and starts talking.

For those of you who are disallusioned with women, the reason is because you are using the same stuff over and over again. You have come to believe that women are predictable. Well within the set of rules that you play by they are. Think about it from this prespective, men as a whole have been predictable to women for generations. It is only the few naturals who were able to unseat them, and yet women still for the most part keep to men. I'm sure the women on this forum can attest to this theory.

Now, for the answer to the obvious question. How do you do this? Just be friendly. Talk to the girls like you would one of your female friends. Just bullshit with them. Talk about your hobbies, current events, anything really. If you have the confidence, it won't matter what you are talking about. A great tool to keep conversations fun and interesting is bantering. You tease them a lil, and they fire back, and so on and so forth.

If you make an attempt at adding adding life to a conversation everything will be fun. You meet girls and learn alot about them from the start. Real life has no rules, and that is the case with conversations. Canned material is based on a set of rules that limit the extent of a conversation. Once you start talking from your head and your heart you'll enjoy the experience. Every girl you meet will have something truly different to say, instead of the expected responses you get from your canned material.

I agree. This is my ultimate goal. being the worlds best PUA is one thing but being a natural who could compete with the best PUA would be a whole lot better and is more likely to be passed on to offspring should I have any (gods forbid).

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God forbid any of us have children XD

Confidence and personality goes a long long way,

The rest is all about value..
DHV is good and all, but hey, If you have expertise within some field, show it.

So; I'd add high value to the list, but then again; being confident in your ability to sexually stimulate/please a woman, is high value.

Believe it or not, many men do not actually care about female sexuality, so just having an insatiable lust for knowledge within that very field is high value.

Learn good techniques and be confident in your ability to arouse and please women, and they will pick up on this.
Call it female intuition or something. ;P

Oh, I love this; teach a women something she doesn't know about herself.
I showed a girl the Eye accessing cues from NLP, first telling her about making pictures and sound and kinestethics only; and then commenting about how she talked with herself after she'd been told this (looking down to her left), I think I asked her straight out what she just told herself, which Topped the whole thing. ^^, making her laugh...

Point is; High Value, Confidence (in yourself and your abilities to sexually stimulate a woman.)

Anybody disagree ? (with the point about high value)

Nope not at all. However, having a strong sense of confidence, will passively display high value. Thats why I said you don't have to concentrate on DHVs. You can DHV yourself passively alot easier than most would think.

Also, on female sexuality. If you are having problems with that, I suggest reading In10se's Sexual Connections book, and David Shade's manual. Learn about the female anatomy and you will be able to please women.

Didnt somebody here on the forum say that Mystery has a daughter btw...

Doesn't suprise me.....how many women he's slept with. One condom had to have failed =P

That poor child....

I think you guys are missing the point, and even with me, i havent used canned material myself, because I stress myself to be natural. You have to learn how mystery says it, "Its the personality that shines thru"

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Good post for sure and a goal that I'm sure everyone can at least in part express desire to achieve.

One thing though, Naturals must use negs... if even in a 'natural' way. That's just apart of social interaction. You put someone down in a playful way. I guess what I'm getting at is to say that by being a 'natural' you are not necessarily above all the tactics that are used by aspiring PUAs, but rather have come to terms with the material. You no longer have to think about what you are doing as it comes naturally. I'm sure Style touched on this in his book. I cant really quote it, but the basics of his 'realization' was that he could run on autopilot and get away with it, i.e. still seduce women.

I wouldn't be so quick as to carve out a section for 'natural' style PUArtistry as it doesnt seem incompatible with all the teachings of other PUAs, but rather just a coming to terms, an internalization of said teachings.

Does this make sense to anyone or am i just ranting and philosophizing about nothing?

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Aye, I appreciate the support Hobbit and that is the idea. Teasing is fun and playful, where as negs are truly direct attacks to belittle someone. A real natural doesn't use negs, they tease. Most mPUAs can do successful pickups without negs aswell. Just watch Cajun on Keys to the VIP.

okay, i respect the distinctions you made... all it has done though is made me realize i am not really NEG'n anyone. My negs are generally quite playful.. or what i thought were negs.

Perhaps it is just a distinction between soft and hard negs. Hard negs are direct attacks to increase value, where soft negs are more playful?

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I agree with everything in the thread but this inparticular. I have been in a band for about a year now and pre-game (which is like 3 months ago or less) every now and again when talking to a chick one of my band mates would phone me about an up coming gig, and I'd be saying like "yeh man i can make the gig, i'll bring my guitar and amp no problem, what's the venue like?" you know stuff like that. I hadn't said anything about being in a band or playing guitar to the girl but she had overheard it and 99% of the time she'd become much more engaged in the conversation because of the DHV I had displayed, and I didn't even realise it myself, it was just a part of me that got communicated while going about my day to day life. I never really understood until now why they'd always became so much more interested after things like that.
Infact I remember one specific case when I was working and talking to the security guard, he asked me how my gig was the night before and I was saying normal stuff like "yeh it was fine, my guitar went slightly out of tune at the end but it didn't matter" immediately these 2 pretty hot chicks that were in the vicinity came over to me and said "are you in a band?" i said yeh and they said "wow that's so cool" and we immediately got a good 15 minute convo going (while i'm working btw and pre-game!). There was no need to go into any fancy memorised routines or anything, it was all just sub-communicated DHVing as basic and simple as you could get but it worked extremely well (for the record I didn't # close them or anything, this is pregame when i didn't know how lol).

Anyway, as I have a tendency to do, I have rambled on a bit here lol. Canned = good, natural = better/more satisfying.

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Ezo- Yes, Mystery has a little girl.

I like this post that you have made, and the points you have also emphasized Hobbit. There is a lot of good stuff here. After using canned material for a while now I have pretty much moved away from it. I would say its somewhere around 90% Natural 10% canned now. I could flip those numbers backwards pretty easily though.

When you are using the same routine stack over and over it does get old and boring. I know because I've done it. It seems like once you develop a good routine sequence you can get a lot of women into your life but you seem to lose respect for them a bit for falling for the same stuff. Granted it seems new to them but the same to you. It's a feeling thats hit me a few times.

This is why I started pushing myself to going closer to more natural style of game. I want Jon to meet the women I want to date and not my representative and attache' J. Smooth if you know what I mean. It's great for learning and seeing results quickly. However, once you have the concepts locked in your head and the responses are automated you don't need them really anymore.

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Thanks Chris Rock!

J here makes a good point, something I've talked about alot and ironically forgot to put in my post. When you meet a girl, if you routine stack and close then eject; she didn't meet you. She met your represenative. She didn't meet the real you. Your confidence will have shown through, but the real you would not have been present. The real you was to busy checking off the list of routines you have. Your personality can only show so much from your routines, and even then in limited portions.

I reread what I wrote and I see how it failed to communicate what I was trying to say...

What I meant was, DHV is automatic, if you display confidence..
As you said, you don't have to think about it.

But if a guy tries to act confident without actually having the value (e.g. the skills to please a woman)
that may shine through, which will probably fuck up his game...

Right ?

So, I'm thinking; focus on inner game, and get bedroom skills to the level of mastery, (just reaching advanced will do, but mastery in the art of sexually pleasing women will give you shitloads of confidence, and that will communicate all you need unto women, subconsciously)

Which reminds me; my inner game to keep confidence up, while out in the field, as we say, is basically just knowing that I can please any of the women I ever meet in ways no man has ever done before...

That and the fact that I know a lot about NLP, Psychology, body-language, women, art. etc. gives me more than enough value that I can feel comfortable and confident about.