Hey guys....i'm curious. It's so fucking obvious the game we are playing that most girls (i would think) would recognize us playing hard to get.....being cocky....telling her what to do....not always being kind. If a girl is playing games, i don't think "oh wow, she must be high value" ...i think "wow she's a manipulating person that wants to fuck with people for fun".

As soon as i see this in a girl....i say fuck her. Wouldn't a girl do the same if she noticed a guy saying "i'll call you back" and never does..."i miss you" but then flakes? It appears so in my experience....but then even when i'm actually "considerate"....not "omg i'll do anything for you".....but kind and sweet talking "i wish you were here laying next to me"...ALSO doesn't seem to work.

I'm at a loss of fucking words/thoughts man. I just went from 3 girls to nothing....all girls i thought were HOOKED. One of the girls after inviting her to a bar ...it was hard to find so i said "if you're coming let me know and i'll come find you, it's hard to describe" ....i thought i was being a considerate human being.....and the response i get is "maybe...maybe not"...then she doesn't call. Clear fucking game ...Do people really get off by doing that to people and then don't understand why it's done to them?

Another girl i've hinted i don't want to go out.....we get a long...we have great conversation/hookup sessions.....i'm leaving for school tomorrow and "she really wants to see me before i leave". I say "sure, but can't be too late because i gotta be up early in the morning"....what does she do? Call me extremely late, not even considering what i said. I'm seriously thinking about becoming a chauvinist and a real manipulating/darkside prick because i want girls in my life, but being a good human being doesn't work...leave her better than when you found her? Fuck that. The game never fucking ends, being a genuine person doesn't work. I'm not saying supplicate her, i'm just saying don't tell her you'll do something and then back out JUST to be rude....don't tell her "find her own way, if she can't then fuck her". I still don't get this fucking game. I hope someone can help me out here.....i can't stand this disappointment. This kind of changed topic and turned rant form but whatever. thanks for reading..

The short answer? Nope. Women follow their emotions more than their logic.

Yeah or priority.

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Dude,

It'll probably help to just take some time off and relax for a bit. Go to Blockbuster and rent a movie and chill out. Then read the rest of this post . . . .

OK, you didn't really do it but let's say you did. You would have had to hopped in your car/bike or whatever. Turn the motor on. Drive out, take a few turns, red light, green light, left and right. Then you walk into the store, pick out a dvd. You pay, repeat your process to go back to your home. Stick in your DVD, chill out and watch.

All of this was just a flow chart of an action plan. The goal was to come back to your sofa and enjoy a quiet afternoon. Everything works this way and you continue with every task of the flow chart because there is belief and fate. You know when you turn that key, the engine will start up. You know when there's a green light, it's safe to go. You know when you do all these things, you will end up coming back to your sofa to watch a movie. Do you ever complain and whine about having to step on the gas pedal when the light turns green?

Now let's take a look at the flow chart with women. You're goal is to make a connection. Sexual, romantic, whatever . . .

Just follow the flowchart. Your post suggests you already know that a flowchart exists. Why are you complaining about something you already know works?

For example:
This has nothing to do with being considerate or not considerate. Don't take offense. Just say the above quote to yourself several times. Do YOU REALLY sound as if you "wished she was laying next to you?"

So you really want an A in class, do you just tell your professor, "I want an A" ?

So you really want to be good friends with a guy, Do you stand around looking all gay saying, "Dude, I really want to be good friends with you . . ."

In all these instances, you probably just follow a flowchart that you've ingrained to yourself. Women are the same. If you really want something you figure out a way. There is a strategy, then there's execution of that strategy. You don't have to lie, you don't have to be somebody else. You just have to appreciate the fact that there is a strategy and execution involved. You probably already do this with EVERY other aspect of your life.

You want her to come over? Then give her the same amount of respect that you give to blockbuster, school, or your guy friends. Put some work into it. You certainly don't call blockbuster to tell them, "I wish there was a SPAM dvd in my player . . . "

Best advice Ive ever seen..

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Hey man. They dont get the game were playing. Some extraordinary ones do but they do not care.
One of the main points of the game is to follow the gameplan to not freak her out. Playing hard to get can also be seen as giving her the some space for herself and her decisions. Not hitting on her right away is also to respect that she is the one allowing you to hit one her (by showing interest).
They do not know that they are doing this but it is one of the reasons that the game works so darn well! You make em feel comfortable, is that respect or manipulation? What is manipulation, getting what you want? Tricking someone into feeling attracted to you? If there is attraction, it is a win-win situation.

Stop worrying man!

Isnt it obvious when u win the lottery you are just given money without having to struggle to get it? Sure it is, but do the winners care, nahhh.

PUA = the money target = the winner

making sure a women is better off after me is number one priority, sex is second to none.

it sounds like you want to give them a little bit of attention, and show that you care, but as soon as you do, they stray off.

I always leave on good terms with girls, and they always ask me, what do you want out of me, you have asked for nothing. I tell them if you can honestly tell me, youre better off after me, I'm happy.

And they really do appreciate that caring. I think actions speak louder than words.

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Does NOT HAVE TO BE LIKE THIS BUDDY.

The secret is all in the frame that you set up in the beginning. You have to be CLEAR. Be funny, but be CLEAR that you're not screwing her around for the sake of it, etc. You play games, she plays games etc. You are honest, she is honest. But it needs to come from a place of security and not insecurity.

If she says, "maybe, maybe not" in the tone that suggest shes playing around, get an honest answer by asking "what's making you second guess??" show that you're not a man of bullshitting around. If she continues to be vague, don't bother with her because it'll waste your time.

As for the late call...I have a feeling when you said 'don't call late' as women think, she may have thought 'I'll ring this guy late and test him to see if he's a man of his word." WOMEN TEST BUDDY. Its life. If they weren't like this, and were like men, we would all be accountants and have no spice. Plus bro, if she likes you, and you treat her all standoffish and shit, of COURSE shes gonna fight to try get your attention. But then she recognizes that there's a game going on - get Slyder's attention. And as soon as you give it to her, guess what???

Slyder "why isn't she calling me back anymore?!"

So I say, don't set up games like this. Let her know that you REALLY want to see her too, but you're busy. She'll appreciate that alot more I think. Reward her for her wanting to see you rather than punishing her by pushing her away, etc.

But as I say again, if you start things off in a certain way, be SURE that the way you started it is a way you can sustain long term.

Being a genuine person doesn't work? Heh, does for me dude. And I get less shit for it too. If we're all playing the same game of fucking manipulation to get sex, etc. isn't that a bit sad? Why not be honest one time for a change? Instead of saying

"I wish you were here lying next to me" =FEMALE says that
MALE says "you should be here wrapped up in my arms, why aren't you?" always come from a place of strength.

BTW... I forgot... The best way to be exposed is to use canned material from other people. Thats why every single PUA encourages you to create your own material, your own routines, your own DHV stories. It is not only to be congruent.
After nearly 1 year in the game I realize that I dont really need routines anymore. The structure of the game is the shit man. Once you get that integrated in your system you game without realizing it sometimes.

For myself I have seen the beauty of being cocky funny even with UGs and guys. Its just the first thing that pops into my head!

Ezo

thanks for all the advice guys....i really appreciate all of it.

When she said "maybe, maybe not" i said "bullshit. yes or no?".....i thought that came from a place of strength "i'm not gonna fuck around with games, especially if it's you playing them".

"you should be here wrapped up in my arms, why aren't you?" always come from a place of strength.

That's really good, i can't definitely tell the difference although it's saying the same thing.

When did she call late, i just didn't pick up the phone so i guess i passed that "test" if it was one, showing that i ment what i said.

Ok Hobbit i'm gonna go and check it out now , thank you.

Although i neg at the beginning of an interaction, i no longer like to when things have gone further....although i enjoy teasing, that's not exactly a "neg". A neg would be like, "wow, that piercing is all crusty". Someone that i was with/cared about i'd say "come here, let me wipe this shit off that."

I'm sure it's all a formula and how to know when to give value/take value....push or pull.....but because each girl is different. How the hell do you tell?

true... if you are a true master in C&F you can do without routines.... you just talk about any stupid subject (could be boring) that comes to mind, but at almost every sentence she says there is a window of opportunity for you to misinterpret it and say something C&F, which you grab... and pump pump pump the attraction... who needs any other routine?

Truer words have never been typed.

exactly...plus a lot of what we're doing, girls are absorbing subconsiously. If you know anything about psychology check out Freud's Iceberg model. It's the basis of what all pick-up is based off of. A little summary of it is basically think of an iceberg. there's a little bit of it sticking out of the top of the water, however most of the iceberg is submerged under the water. the top of the iceberg represents the conscious mind and everything underwater is the subconsciuos mind. that's why if you told a girl about pickup she'd be like "noway that shit wouldn't work on me" because that's what her consious mind is telling her but most of everything PUA's do a girl is absorbing subconsciuosly and giving her emotions. and girls tend to make decisions based on their emotions. so girls have no idea what we're doing.

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No not always.

No matter how much we try to complicate this game, there are really only two strategies. 1. You go direct, strong, caveman stylee, "I'm going to fuck your brains out" route, Or 2. You come in under the radar beginning with nothing sexual at all and you escalate towards sexual attraction.

How do you decide which way to go? There are too many variables to discuss in one singular post but here are some thoughts as it pertains to geographical proximity.

With all things being the same (same girl, same situation). . . think of this game as if you're trying to catch a pussy . . . . cat.

If a cat you're trying to catch is cornered, far from any help and it's right in front of you, you'll do well by sneaking up just a little closer . . . and POUNCE! Women are the same way. If you already have a girl on your couch, nobody else around, your arms around her, you can tell her with great success, "Oh, I'm going to fuck your brains out . . ." and going caveman.

Now what the hell do you do when your cat is trouncing around your neighbors backyard? Are you going to run around all over the place showing off your chasing abilities? No . . . you just take a bowl of warm milk and put it out in front of your house. Catnip, bells, toys . . . just leave it out there. Women are the same way. The further they are from you, the less they respond to "strength". Have any of you been involved in long distance relationships? Ever try telling her to do something by starting off with, "Oh, you better do _______ and______?" Yeah, good luck. When she's right in front of you though, the game's a bit different.

With this in mind, good luck with getting a pussy(of either variety) to come over to your house by letting her know, "How much you want her here." or "How much she should be here." or "There's no reason why she shouldn't be here." Stop the yappin' and chasin' and go warm up that milk! Take out the catnip. Dust off those bells! Instead of asking her why she shouldn't be here. Make it impossible for her to NOT come over right away.

Think about it . . . geographical proximity, emotional proximity, sexual proximity, chronological proximity, etc . . .