the fit girl of the club was dancing with all the chaps, well not dancing, just grinding against loadsa guys, she came over and did it to me, i said ' wow wow im guna have to charge you if you keep grinding against me'. i smiled in a playful way,she turned round, gave me a look walked off, an she stayed away the rest of the nyt. i can see she thought i was prob up my arse. but what cud i have done to open her???

Not only about what you say but how you say it.

If you were too agressive with it then they may just think your too up your own arse like you said.


On the otherhand, you can't win them all no matter how good u are, may have just been one of those situations.

Yeah, it was probably in the delivery... or she had something up her own arse?

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Something similar happened to me not long ago... I didn't show her that much interest, just laughed and had fun (and alternated dancing with her and my HB9 friend).. then she got frustrated and asked me straight up if I thouht she was cute. I looked her up and down and said "I don't really give compliments to strangers, but I guess you look alright", and smiled. She pushed me away and looked a bit offended. I let her dance alone for 5 minutes or so, and then I walked up to her and said "well, if I'd gotten to know you first, the answer might have been different.. personality and charisma is very important factors when talking about looks". When she started talking to me, I teased and negged the shit out of her. Worked like a charm

My thoughts:
1. you made her feel like a whore - this isnt (generally) a good thing.
2. (not sure what a firm girl is, but i imagine she was promoting some event at the club? so she was likely super hot? - this is the assumption i will work with until i know more about 'firm girls') She likely had MUCH more social proof than you did within this club, so she isnt going to take to negs like this too kindly. She can go grind on other guys and have them flatter her etc, so why take your negs

How to open her imo:
1. (Working within the situation you were in) Go BACK to her and in a DAMN cocky manner ask her for that money she owes you [this wont necessarilly work, but i think it at least shows you are a confident man and not afraid to say assholish things - sometimes this works]
2. (alternative lines to open her) "Ow, take it easy there lady. I'm just recovering from [whatever]" (kinda gay.. but i really cant think of anything)
-I thought i'd have more to say, but i guess im kinda drawing a blank on this one.

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I'm not sure where you got this "firm girls" term from bro. I think you misread the start, he said "FIT" not "FIRM", fit is an abbreviation for hot mainly used here in the UK (just incase you don't say that where you're from). Personally I can't stand the term.

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firm fit.. at 3am in the morning they are the same words arent they? haha.. sorry about that, i knew i was likely mis quoting.

okay hot chick, doesnt change much of what i said i dont think. However, it is 4am this time.. so maybe im just making a bigger ass of myself

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I think shes probably up her own ass. Why would you want a girl that grinds with many men in one night anyway. what if she has diseases :p im guessing that's not the issue of the conversation, all i could say is that you shouldn't of let her walk away, keep talking, even if you talk shit talk takes a man far with women.

For the most part I felt it was a good opener to use. I would have done the same thing. Who knows maybe it was your delivery and your tone of voice. If it wasn't your tone then she could have just been a girl with no sense of humor and in this case I would just say forget it there are plenty of other girls.