In casual day-game at the mall or in other public places how quickly should you number close?

I feel I need to close it and ask for her number within 2 minutes or so depending on how the conversation goes. But some girls just aren't comfortable giving out their numbers after having just met someone...

Random Day game probable sequence:

opener (opinion/question/neg),DHV, possible second neg, # close?

I know that may sound to formulaic and every situation is different , but in general what do you guys think?

There is no rule. It's a matter of how things progress. In some cases 2 minutes will be perfect because you make a quick connection and are both going places. In other cases, you will hang out for 10 minutes before getting her number. Just like in night game, there's no rules, it's just how things work out.

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Dude - RL's point is spot-on. It totally depends. But, the thing that must must be in place is a sense of connection. Attraction is critical, of course, but a connection is a must otherwise you will not see her again.

Form a quick connection by baiting her a bit into posing a question or two of you. Then, once you've established some commonality (OMG - I love rock climbing), you are much better off.

To really seal it, take that commonality now into the realm of feeling. "I know, it makes me feel alive and on the edge - like I am taking a huge risk here - but that without things like that, I'd just be a walking corpse...know what I mean?" (good grief - sounds like NLP...doesn't have to be, but that's where my head's at right now)

From there, a number close is very solid. Yep, requires some skill, but why learn this stuff to do it half-arse - right?

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In other words play it by ear.

This is where a more human aspect jumps into PU. omething that can prove tricky to teach.

Yuo need to calibrate her body launguage, in other words feel the situation out, go until you feel ready to #close. Every situation is different that's what makes it fun.

Just let yourself free into the groove (somewhere inner game and "natural" game can help) and you'll feel, you'll understand when the situation is ready.

Stephen, solid response to a serious question. I read a post by someone else who said something about injecting feeling into conversation can create a stronger connection... i think there was an attempt to be empirical also in that women 'respond' to emotions, so by saying HOW YOU FEEL to any given situation they will likely warm up to you quicker.

i put this to the test and though i have no miraculous success stories to attribute to it, it DID seem to at least provide another avenue to walk down. It opened up conversations a bit more,
you: "X makes me feel alive / scared (showing you can be scared of things gets girls curious about you imo and lowers your threat level / also good stage setter for cocky funny comments)"
Her (variety of responses):
1. That's cause you are a wimp (respond with CF/neg/semi-freeze by giving her less eye contact / friendly body lanuage)
2. ME TOO! (your threat went down and now build up some comfort!
3. Ya, I also find that Y makes me feel 'whatever' - same as two kinda..

Without injecting your feeling into the conversation you may not have had these options open up. maybe you would have through other routines though.

I should add, I'm no pro and these are just my thoughts on the issue at hand.

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Damn there are some really good threads coming out right now! This being one of them.
Dokstar as you said, saying "X makes me feel...." is great to make them more interested/curious. As has been said before many times, girls are emotional creatures, men are logical. You say to your buddy "I drove around in a Ferrari the other day and it had a blah blah blah engine with pirelli tires and some sick suspension" like that, you know we're men, we want the details on how and why it works etc. Said to a girl you say more like "I drove around in a Ferrari the other day, it was so fast I was pretty scared! lol, I had so much fun though" there's a big difference there. Maybe I didn't explain/describe the turn of phrases properly but I think you get what I mean.

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Somewhere between 10 seconds and several hours if it is a good instant date.

Well open, neg, dhv like crazy. as soon as you start getting 3 to 4 IOIs take her somewhere you can sit down. dont get me wrong dont say that you just got a brand new sofa at home and asks if she wants to try it out or not she has to feel comfortable. look for any seats near by anything you can sit on apart from the floor. tell her that you will let her have your number. and then pass her your phone without a word as if expecting her to type it in. as soon as you exchange dont just walk off. how does she know you wont just do this straight after fucking her? man hang around five minutes and build comfort. it isnt as much how you behave to get the numbers. more how you behave once you have it.
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