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PostPosted: Wed Aug 20, 2008 10:36 pm 
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Since joining the forum I've written double the posts and replies to PM's than I typically write. Far from complaining, I'm struggling to keep up with all the demand.

However!

I'm not one to back down from a challenge. So after speaking with Gambler we've decided to create a thread where you guys can all post questions specifically for me and I will try my VERY VERY best to answer them all.

I can't promise to get to them all but I'll be doing all of the answers myself and will do my very best to get to them all.

If you guys could help me out by;

a) reading other peoples questions before posting to see if anyone else has already asked the question

b) keep your questions and posts short Ideally a paragraph max...I often don't need to know the full background of a situation to answer it. If I do need more info however, i'll ask.

I hope this helps out, so feel free to post below.

I hope I can help!

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Dear AFC Adam,

Say you made a faux pas in your sarge with a very shy, but very attractive girl. The mistake was along the lines of going very direct on her (think Apocalypse opener), while she has little or no experience dealing with that kind of direct game. She calls you a "creep", and reminds you about it every time you see her (although you think you detect playfulness in her voice).

1) Is this a recoverable situation? You will still have the opportunity to see her on a weekly basis.

2) How would you go about correcting the situation?

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I've been noticing trends and such during my sarging. I currently live/work in a college town and I've noticed a huge difference in gaming girls at a college town as compared to gaming girls that are out in the real world working for a living. (aka..already graduated) The girls at a college town moreso look for that friend validation (aka..is her friends ok with you) more so than anywhere else. Not only that, but they generally have 20 million things going on at once and their other single friends generally have them doing shit and going places. It's almost insane how hard you have to work to keep their attention due to them being scatter brained or whatnot.

Out in bigger cities where the women are working and out of college. It's like 1/2 the effort to be honest with you, and they can be the same age. My wingman just currently graduated this past May and has been sarging New York like a mad man possessed. He agrees with me that it was so much easier to game girls out of college. This being said and he was in a fraternity.

I'm wondering what exactly have you learned in your experiences regarding the subject?


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 21, 2008 5:14 am 
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Dear Roads.

Oh man!, if she is still taLking to you after calling you a creep it's still on.

Dude when a girl thinks you are a creep they run a million miles away and have nothing to do with you. It's very recoverable. Keep the game alive, play the dangerous guy. Take her out in a fun environment and get her to experience new things with you. You need to get her away from the weekly meet up to one which is just for the two of you. Keep it low pressure, basic Day 2 stuff should work fine.

Hope this helps,

Any questions let me know.

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Dear saqchek

Dude your observations are 100% correct. What you're battling with is a healthy social life.

At university many people have excellent social lives, where they can pretty much go out non stop with friends. As aside from skipping class work they basically have nothing much better to do than work n their social lives.

The girls at work are soo busy working that they lose track of each other, and welcome a date as a refreshing change to the monotony of normal life.

Getting the girls at Uni can be done of course. You just have to build up enough attraction, and the more senior hey become the easier it will be.

Hope this helps

Any questions, just ask!

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hey, i was just wondering about getting into clubs. the one i turn up at generally stops guys who come by them self (i come from work), is there a way to befriend them easily or do i need to try and befriend whatever girls are in the line with me?

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hey adam, hope ya all peachy!!!

i was jst wondering if you have any tips for closing, either kiss close or number close? since im sticking a bit here!!!

thanks


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Hey AFC Adam, for quite a while now I've been an admirer of your style of game, the fact that you wanna be the life of the party and strive for a more natural style of game, which is the type of lifestyle I see myself taking when I become your age. I know it's a few questions, but I've been saving these questions up for months now and I finally get a chance to shoot them. The list was much longer, but you answered them through different articles.

Since you're an expert at entourage and dancefloor game, I would like to ask you 4 questions.

1) I travel a lot so it's impossible to bring an entire entourage with me. Can I still play entourage game What if I cant speak the local language?

2) Before you became a promoter, how do you afford the booths? All my money goes to traveling, cant afford booths 3 times a week :(

3)I got the concept how you danced with a girl that was by herself on your Youtube which + your value, then you moved onto another set. But if I'm on the road and dont know anybody, whats the best strategy for danecfloor game? (I'm a trained dancer) Plus, most clubs have extremely crowded dancefloors.

4) Mere exposure effect- What do you say to each set for 30secs? What if they give you bad results? When I did it, they werent friendly and since there werent that many people, it actually lowered my value

Sorry for this, I actually do have a very basic question that I'd love to ask, you dont have to answer this but I'd appreciate this very much. It's not very often I get to talk to my favorite mPUA.

5) I'm so-so at hooking and isolating sets. What's your strategy to hook a set and isolate them? I've read your "Principles of Attraction" e-book (I rarely read "game" ebooks lol) about Building Comfort then Establishing Rapport. I'm guessing hooking and isolating your target comes with building comfort, but it's quite a lot of plowing (after I do the mere exposure effect) and sometimes I'm not so sure what is the best way to hook them and isolate them.

Thank you so much for taking your time out.


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Apparently I failed to notice this thread when I wrote you a PM asking if you'd like one stickied for you, heh. Glad to have you giving advice here man, as I said in my PM to you (if you have time to read it still, that'd be cool as I said some other stuff too :) ) I totally respect your commitment to sharing the knowledge on the open forum and not getting people to keep it behind closed doors, or saying that you only help guys for money; mad respect.

Question for ya: do you consider yourself to be a "nice guy", yet still manage to do quite well for yourself with women regardless of the saying about them finishing last? This has always been a dilema for me, as I am a "nice guy" and have even had girls use that as a reason not to be with me in the past, although now it tends to work more to my advantage. I'd love to see if other members of standing in the community believe this can be true as well.

Cheers.

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Dear Matt Jacks

Clubs have a strict rule on not letting guys into clubs without girls for a reason. If they end up with more gys than girls there is a higher chance of a fight breaking out in the club. Which is why it's often the bouncer saying no and no the club owner as invariably the bouncer will have to break up the fight.

2 guaranteed ways of getting in.

1) bring lots of girls...something you should be doig if you follow my game style at all.

2) make friends with the bouncers and door staff every night. Even if they don't let you in be friendly and smile. turn up again the next week. Turn up early when there're no crowds. Eventually you should get so pally pally and they'll feel so bad about refusing you all the time thy'll let you in.

Hope this helps.

AFC Adam,


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Dear vicvyper04

I am indeed very peachy this morning :)

Number close is easy. You need a good justification for it. Most girls will happily give you their number if they get a good reason.

Kiss close.

I like the "triple kiss close"

You lean into a girl (after generating a significant amount of attraction) Hold her and kiss one cheek.

Then without letting her go you kiss the other cheek. Observe whether she moves towards your head in the kiss (she wants you) or moves away (she isn't ready)

If she wanted you then move to kiss her other cheek for the third time in total but instead kiss her.

If she didn't want you and pulled away. Go in a third time anyway to show you weren't actually going to kiss her, kiss her for a third time on her cheek. withdraw and continue gaming until she is ready.

I like this one because you never get left looking like a chump going for a kiss and failing.

Hope this helps.

AFC Adam,

hey adam, hope ya all peachy!!!

i was jst wondering if you have any tips for closing, either kiss close or number close? since im sticking a bit here!!!

thanks


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Dear AZ Inch

Wow man...this is alot.... hahaha

I was hoping people would keep things down to a paragraph so I can get through them quick....however I hate dissapointing soooo


1) Man Entourage game is about planing and logistics. I have a friend that travels alot. When he first hits a country he games for a week inviting girls out at the weekend then on the weekend runs entourage game with the girls he met through the week. Aside from this your only hope is to meet a large group of girls one night, befriend them and then ask them where they are going the next night. You're not leading but you do get the pre-selection. In short you have to work out whether you can cram in the sarging and do it, or just steal others.

2) Never was promotor. Just a guy who was known for bringing lots of women to clubs. Promotors sell tickets. Our people always go free entry the only way to get a table or booth is to either get one free, the club likes you (they liked me cos I brought girls) or to pay. There are other ways to befriend owners than with girls however. If you meet one be friendly, maybe you can help them with businesss???

3) Talk to a chick being friendly at the bar...get her on the floor and dance with her increasing your value by dhving with your dancing. Then dance with some other people without leaving her. Finally merge the other people in with yours or leave your girl as the Pawn (as I did in the video) moving onto the next one using he initial girl as social proof.

4) I use functional openers then tell them to have a great night. Sometimes I'll "observe that they're friendly"

"excuse me do you know if this is the only bad in here? I have a friend coming to meet me"

"Sorry to bug you do you know where the bathrooms are?"

"Hi there, Is this supposed to be a good place? it's kinda empty at the moment"

Then

"wow thanks ever so much for that...man you're friendly most people I've met here really aren't that cool. Have a great night...oh yeah I'm Adam by the way."


5) Building comfort and hooking is all about adding value...but then breaking rapport. If you find a set happily talking to you but not going anywhere you have to spike up the attraction by doing a break. negging, playign games to make them look silly. there are loads. The book has some examples too. Most issues in sets just going on and on are due to a lack of breaks in rapport.


Good luck buddy,

I hope this helped!

AFC Adam,

Thank you so much for taking your time out.


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Dear Rye Lee

Firstly thank you ever so much for the kind message. I love what I do, I put a hell of alot of time into helping others, more often than not for free purely for this reason. It's hard at times, because there are so many excellent marketers out there who can't do this stuff yet teach it, ad a bunch more who steal the free stuff i do and sell it. So messages like that really make it all worthwhile. That and the awesome team I have behind me now at puatraining.

OK on to the question :)

Dude I try my very best to be the nice guy at all times. Being the Nice guy can and will get you better results than being an ass hole. The trick is understanding the causes of attraction which is essentially investment. Bad guys get girls to invest in them which causes massive attraction but they do it because they are interested in anyone other than themselves. Good guys can also get a girl to invest and generate attraction that way, but few do as they're too busy being too nice to the girl to get her to work for it.

Here's an excerpt from a handbook that I wrote for students taking part in the puatraining bootcamps. Enjoy

"We become attracted to anything that we invest our personal time, emotion, and energy into. Imagine spending the next 5 years of your life saving money to buy your ideal car. You sacrifice social life to take up a second job, and spend all of your time and energy working to buy your perfect car. After all that time you eventually purchase it and enjoy driving it home. when you pull up to your house you are shocked to discover an identical car parked in your driveway. The identical car is one you have won from a contest you entered a week earlier. There is no point in keeping both the cars. Honestly, which would you sell?
Almost everybody would agree that they would sell the car they just won as opposed to the one they bought. There is no attachment to it. They are more attracted to the object they invested in. attraction is triggered any time we invest in something. The harder we work to achieve it, the harder we want it. The key to getting women to want you is to get them to invest in you. Certain characteristics may cause them to invest in you without the need to try hard or even approach. Many people are blessed with a number of these characteristics already, and for the most part, this explains many the success what typical guys get. Increasing the number and quality of these characteristics will have a direct positive effect on our ability with the opposite sex. However it is possible to punch above our weight and secure a relationship, whether short or long, with someone of a considerable higher quality than us. Though for this, we need a way to convince them to begin investing in us. There are numerous ways to do this, but all of them share a common principle.

There are numerous qualities that make us more attractive. The primes ones that we concern ourselves with are:

Confidence
Leadership
Ambition
Displays of excellence
Social intelligence
Pre-selection/Social Proof

These can be thought of as pieces of a pie chart. The more qualities you have, the more full your pie is. The larger your pie, the more attractive you are. in any situation where you find yourself possessing more of these qualities than a girl you’re attempting to attract, you’ll often find they will do most of the work for you, including approach. However, there are situations where you will want to date somebody of a higher caliber who is, for lack of better words, out of your league. In these situations it is necessary to show the other person an alternate way to assess your value. We do this by building a much more personal relationship and getting the other person to invest. As we demonstrated earlier, the more they invest the more attracted in you they will be.

There is a simple formula we use to keep track of the process of getting someone to invest in you. This formula is given below.

The Formula:

(C – R) + Q + SE = A


C: Comfort – Adding value to someone to gain their time and attention


R: Rapport – When two people are comfortable speaking (the goal is to remove some of this)


Q: Qualification – Assessing their suitability (the more they prove themselves they more they are investing)


SE: Sexual Escalation – To increase the sexual chemistry (typically through kino or conversation)


A: Attraction – The Goal


Each of these stages in the formula will be broken down in depth over the course of the weekend."



Hope this shed a bit of light over it.

AFC Adam,


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Your reply to Rye is a fantastic post. I haven't felt as blown away by any theory as much as that in ages. I logged in just to post this lol. It seems like a really good way of attracting a woman of (perceived) higher quality.

It's not the first time i've seen the "the more invested we are in something, the more we value it" point, but the way you've explained it in an analytical, yet somehow not over-complicated way has me shocked. Anyway, i'm babbling lol.

To contribute a question:

Could you tell us a little more about your view on dancefloor game please? The aforementioned Youtube video is cool. I'm new to this but haven't seen any other PUAs use dancefloor game much at all, some recommend avoiding the dancefloor altogether.

I'd like to know how you view dancefloor game as an overall part of your style. Do you ever use it to escalate physically with a girl you've been gaming verbally already?

Is it purely for DHVing in a sexual way?

I notice you putting the girls arms around you, do you think maybe a little backwards rationalisation goes on there in her head, where she basically feels "my arms are around him, i'm attracted to him"?

Have you ever taken dance classes / if so what styles?

Any other tips on this area would be great.


Many thanks for any response :)


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Dear Tonage

Once again thanks so much for the message. I really do work bloody hard on my theories to actually get them founded in some kind of psychology studies or real life applications that we can ALL relate to. So it means alot to hear you like it :).


Glad to answer the question buddy.

I LOOOOVe danceflor game. Why? it's easy and the girls are there because they want to be flirted with. Anyone who avoids it is missing the boat i believe. doesn't mean you should only do it by why not enjoy the ease of it.

The key benefit of it is teh speed at which you can sexually escalate as you see in the video I go from an approach to really stepping things up with the girl. Shew's compliant because she assume the role of female dancer. so I ca get away with sooo much more.

There is probably a DHV in there somewhere but not much of one, mostly to do with leading really. I'm not actually a very good dancer. I can bop to music and stand placing a girl all over me while hugging her. Thats about it. Watch the video again. ;)

I always get a girl to kino me during dancing, the leading role leads naturally to it and having her touch you does make her beleive she still has control over the situation. Whereas if you toch her she can feel awkward.

Besides I want my neck rubbed...I don't WANT to rub hers ;)

I took Ballet classes when I was 5!!!! for a year. Other than that, nothing...

But I do have a good sense of music timing. I think being able to find a beat is important.


Hope this helps somewhat mate!


All the best.

AFC Adam,


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