Not bad. Much more straight forward and you see how well it got results.

The thing about women though, is they generally don't like to make the plans, they have all this superfluous stuff running around in their heads all the time, they can't make a bloody decision. When they are able to make one, they are afraid it's gonna be the wrong one. Instead, they generally prefer that the man take the lead and that he tells them at least the direction that things will be proceeding.

When a girl asks what I want her to make me for dinner, I won't say, "It's up to you," or "I defer to the chef," because that puts it on them and she isn't gonna know what to do, or she'll have to put too much effort into figuring out what to do. I'd either ask her what her specialties are, thus giving you a list to choose from, as well as her (I've had girls veto my choice once they started thinking about what they do really well). Once you have a list, you can say, "Haven't had that before, let's see if it's as good as you make it sound." or something like that that will make her want to prove herself and her skills to you. Failing that, say something straight forward that she hopefully takes some creative license with, such as, "How about some pasta and chicken?" or "Do you do good BBQ? Perhaps some steak?" or "I love a good stirfry." Now she'll have a basis to get started on and she'll end up doing something a little different and interesting in order to get your attention.

Some issues I had with this.


1) You insulted her about her kissing. It wasn't funny and it wasn't a neg. Even if it was a neg, NEGGING AFTER YOU KISS ISN"T THE TIME!! Why do so many noobs think they need to neg? Horrible...horrible...horrible move. My guess is she's thinking twice about ever kissing you again. In fact, I'll bet my money you don't get a second chance. Dude......what in your 37 years made you think that was ok to say?

It was funny, she laughed and kept kissing me for another two hours. She knew I was joking and I knew I was joking - it wasn't ANYTHING like you are describing.

She asked me out, I didn't ask her out.

She asked me out, I didn't ask her out - though I surely should have just paid - I was caught up in the never paying for anyone thing when I couldn't care less about $50....

You seen Pirates of the Caribbean? You know the part where Captain Barbossa talks about the Pirate code being more of a guideline than a rule? Same thing, different category. Replace Pirate code with PUA code. Thanks.

so anyway, I sent a text along the lines of what rye said - she hasn't responded. I was going to call her and if she answers I'll be on my own...but she is a flight attendant and might be somewhere in the sky...

should I leave a message and what should I say?

I was thinking: "hey what's up - calling you at a reasonable hour AND leaving a message...I guess 4 calls from you is at least worth a return on my part. Hey, part two of the dinner plan is to actually do it! I can be over by 9 pm tomorrow if I don't stop for wine, so let's say 9:15"


I'm with roads in that I want this to move forward or just be done with it - but saying I'll be here or there might not work because she might not even be in town.

I understand the don't be needy part - just figured if she called me four times last night - wouldn't be bad to give her a call. Maybe she's thinking "I called him four times, I'm not answering his text."


I should have just called her first cause the text isn't anything that screams "get in touch". I've got you saying "no way, don't call", roads saying "force her to meet you" and rye saying another thing.

I do have some other girls in the mix, but none of them touch this one.

Would like to see it go one way or the other instead of limbo land.

Well, you were lucky and you told me she gave you a stupid look. That's usually NOT a good sign.

Don't do both unless it's like how I said earlier.

Just call her and leave a fucking message if she doesn't answer.