I'm new to the forum. Ive read DYD ebook and have been successfully # closing but sticking point seems to be kiss closing.

I have a friend (much more attractive than I) who is my usual wing man. He is more of AFC than I but his looks get him started with girls. For some reason it seems they have some interest in me after he is done. Any tips for a situation of this sort?

He doesnt mind if I pursue his leftovers, but since they have been around me a lot and know my personality I didnt know if it was a good idea to suddenly change into PUA mode, or if this sort of thing is a bad idea and perhaps the girls jsut see me as a friend.

listen daddio, u're the mack , an inner godlike power awaits its awakening. Dont fuss over analyzing planning or u'll just get yourself all tangled up. Engage in your bad boy image with a good attitude, flirt yet tease too. Give attention, yet take away. i suggest you read cat and mouse on becomeaplayer.com i think this one is written by swinggkat but i'm not too sure. peace homie , good luck!

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Yes good advice Medlife, if your still stuck on what to say a great website to check out is http://www.bristollair.com Helps the beginners. Get them women! *shakes fists*

dude.. don't focus on taking the man's left overs then he is the alfa.. he should be begging for yours! You elevate your game and dont worry about his.. close different girls then trade if thats what you guys are into but dont just reap left overs then you dont have any game!

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Man you need to work on your inner game! I also recommend reading the venusian arts by Mystery, gives you some more hints than DYD.

Good Luck man, you can do it!

Ezo

I think its great that they show interest in you matter of fact take advantage of that show them that you are way more fun and interesting then him and once you start to get that inner game to overshadow your negative thought you will start to radiate and this radiance of yours will shadow your better looking friend and you will be alpha.
La Mano

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have your friend open your sets... then run your game and bring home the gold!!!

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The way I see it - you guys are a Team so should breworking together if his your wing. If he has not bedded them then they are not even his firsts ,

Regarding looks, the truth is that a person's looks can only carry a guy so far and without proper methodolody, he won't have the personality to keep them. Since you guys are a team you should work together.

How? Let him open the sets as first impressions count and then you can take the Lead once he has opened. Read ip on some of the suggested links posted on conversational tips and when they grow bored of his lack of communication you spring to the rescue.

Good luck and happy sarging
Touch

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Is it enough for you to improve your game? Or is it your goal to change the Game itself?

Work on your inner game, that way you will not worry about insecurities such as looks. Believe that you are more attractive and you will become more attractive and your friend will become your wing man.


Hunt

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Your situation sounded exactly like mine until about a week ago lol. My best mate is a pretty good looking bloke and gets hot girls just because of his looks i reckon. He may disagree.

Anyway, showing value is worth 10x to a girl than just being good looking. I think guys are too worried about being attractive enough for a girl because that is the way we judge them. In reality girls value good entertaing confident guys who can offer something other guys cant. Thats fun!!! Play word games, tell stories, be confident, dont take shit but give plenty. Most importantly be friends with everyone!!! Let her come too you and never be over touchie. Be the confident person you always wanted to be!!!

Hope that helps.

Great advice BMSdave. I'm definitely going to keep that in mind next time out.
It seems to me that a lot of guys feel like me. Once a girl has seen your personality and she seemingly likes it we don't take any IOIs because we feel like the second we show our sexual interest these girls will become disgusted and suddenly give you 'the look' where you could just die right there on that spot.
My adivce like everyone elses is jump right out there dude. You the man.You joined this community for a reason. Now shine!
BBSx

i mean if he dont mind goin after them then do it, its good practice at least nd as for the pua mode thing if they kno ur personality nd u say sumthing new not like its gonna change the way they think of u if ne thing its gonna catch em off gaurd

I would like to second many of the previous replies: Work on your inner game first and foremost. Read the sections in this forum on inner game that would be a great first step. What really helped me build my own foundation was David DeAngelo's book Double Your Dating the most, however. DeAngelo is good on his inner game stuff as his game is all based on tons and tons of inner confidence that would let you carry out successfully all kinds of wacky C&F situations.

Next I would like to also say that physical looks do not matter. What matters is the image of yourself you are projecting with the way you carry yourself. If you truly believe you are a stud, you can portray this through your body language and girls will see you on the same level as Brad Pitt even if you are a plain simple dude. Now that said, if you have obvious physical problems it might be a little harder, but it all could be countered with a strong inner game and modest amounts of taking good care of yourself. I have noticed that if you become at least slightly concious of what you wear, whether or not you like your hairstyle and facial hair and all that, you subconsciously become more confident in your looks and also better at your game. It is a double edged sword because some ppl might just get desperate that no matter what they do they don't look good, but that's a deception. Everybody can improve his looks and all the mind needs to know is that today you look better than yesterday and it will be tricked into believing you are already halfway on the path of becoming Brad Pitt.

Just work on becoming comfortable and confident with who you are and you'll see a great improvement in your game. And the last piece of advice would be to never see yourself as inferior to your wingman. The wingman is support, but you are the leader, the PUA. Next night out open up your own set of girls and then do it the night after and so on and so on. The first week it's practice, to build up your confidence. By the second week you should be completely confident in the fact that you are the leader of that team and looks can't match up with inner game.

Practice, practice, practice. The more girls you open up, the better you become, regardless of the result. Actually, I myself don't like being successful everytime. There's nothing to learn from success and a treasury of knowledge everytime you turn a girl off.

Awesome advice rvulchev

All great advice however, I must get this of my chest.
Look at the original post "Posted: Mon Oct 16, 2006 7:27 am"
Then click original posters profile "Last Visited Mon Dec 03, 2007 4:34 am"

He is long gone lol.
Taking nothing away from the great advice though which I'm sure will help someone else that comes across the thread.

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