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PostPosted: Fri Apr 11, 2008 8:32 pm 
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I looked at the comment page on the episode, which was pretty wierd to say the least.

Apparently Dr Phil (intentionally or unintentionally) spun it as that guys that get into PUA are just trying to get women's money, and that in order to do that they lie and manipulate.


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I looked at the comment page on the episode, which was pretty wierd to say the least.

Apparently Dr Phil (intentionally or unintentionally) spun it as that guys that get into PUA are just trying to get women's money, and that in order to do that they lie and manipulate.
I went on the website and read some things. They brought on 2 women who said positive things about it. Then another woman who said it wasnt "natural" because it had to be taught. Dr. Phil replied with something like "didnt someone teach you to apply makeup?" The guys explained that its about trying to break the ice and that girls aren't rejecting the guys just their approach. etc etc.

This was from the site
I havent seen the show yet...comes on at 7 here.

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I meant to watch it. I thought someone mentioned it was at 4PM. Didnt think to check what timezone or if the info was correct. When I turned on the TV it was ending, hopefully there will be a a video of it online to check out. I want to see some people asking for opinions on something :D .

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I found this response from Neil last year online in some other forum:

I wanted to share some thoughts on an
experience I recently had.

I received a call from two producers on the Dr.
Phil show. They wanted me to come on and
discuss The Game and the community with
Dr. Phil.

However, the more I talked to them, the
more it seemed like a set-up. So I declined.
Instead, they got two of the people in The
Game to participate.

And they did a few sneaky things, according to
those who were on the show:

1. They filmed some guys sarging, but planted
women with secret cameras in the club.

2. They didn't tell one of the PUAs that another
guru was going to be on the show, then they
encouraged the guru to be adversarial. The
result was a PUA slugfest that sounded like a bad
day at Project Hollywood.

3. They brought out a woman at the end of the
show who'd been hurt by a man who was NOT in
the community to confront these guys.

The working title of the segment: WOMEN, BEWARE!

This information just broke my heart. It really infuriates
me.

When I wrote The Game and went on to do the press, I
told myself that I would neither DEFEND nor ATTACK the
seduction community. I'd simply present the truth as it was,
the good and the bad.

However, the more interviews I did, the more I realized I
was going to have to defend something: The right of guys
to learn this.

Anyone who's ever seen the front page of Cosmopolitan
or Sex in the City knows that self-help, sexual improvement,
dating advice, and attraction skills is an accepted rite of
passage for women.

There is no equivalent for men: We are simply shown images
of women we are supposed to desire in the pages of Maxim
and Playboy, then not told what to do about it.

People get tutored for everything else in life. If you can't do
math, you get a tutor. Sex in the City was women getting tutored
in what to do with different types of men. I think the coolest thing
someone could do is recognize their weakness and work to
improve it.

When guys ask me questions, it's usually not about what to do
to trick a woman into bed -- it's about how to get over heart-
break, whether Alexander Technique will improve their posture,
whether improv classes will make them more spontaneous,
what to do about "this one special girl," how to dress, and so on.

Though some of the "gurus" may have their issues, 99.9 percent
of the guys I met learning this are the NICE GUYS. They are the
guys women always say they are looking for, yet at the same
time are never attracted to.

Usually, the true assholes, jerks, and misogynists are too
cocky and arrogant to even consider that they might need
to "learn" how to interact with women.

So anyone who's going to get on a bully pulpit and demonize
men for trying to improve themselves is not a friend of mine.

And any pundit who's going to criticize men for manipulation
when that's exactly what their show producers regularly do to
their guests is not a friend of mine.

The community may have its problems -- especially for those
who get sucked too deeply into it, as I did -- but there's nothing
wrong with learning social skills, if you're learning from the
RIGHT teachers.

The real victims in my experience were not women. The
victims I witnessed, the people I saw hurt by the game, were
only men. Because the game is a forking path: there's a light
side and a dark side, and some get lost in the dark side and
lose themselves -- in addition to creeping out the very women
they're trying to attract.

As a writer, I understand the temptation members of the
media feel to create an obvious sensationalism piece. But
it's far better to do the research and find the REALITY of a
situation -- and it makes a better story. Because the reality
is often never obvious. Sometimes it's the last thing you'd
ever expect. That's what most of my books are about.

I realize this email is sort of a rant, and perhaps I'm
even preaching to the converted, but I had to get it
off my chest. There are some 42,000 of you on this
list. Some of you are in positions of influence or
respect -- whether on campus, in the media, at home,
at work, or in a community.

Let's do our best to counter small-mindedness and social
pressure designed to hold US back because of someone
ELSE'S fear wherever we hear it. Whether it's about learning
the game, a personal attack against you, or something else
you care about, don't take the bait and get defensive. All you
have to do is speak the truth. It's the best weapon you have,
and so sharp that no one can ever bend it if you wield it
properly -- without fear or insecurity.

And that's one to grow on,
Neil
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zip, 73% too long to read the whole thingb ut I agree with the bald guy (style)

Phil is too much of a wussy to be a man he is obviously controlled by his producers and shouldn't be taken seriously.

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Ross was def. just trying to make money. The girls and Dr. Phil liked the idea until he opened his mouth and tried making people pay to learn NLP and not learn the 'evil' mystery method.
He was very contradictory throughout the whole thing...I don't teach men to manipulate women into bed yet I advertise it all over my book/website/etc . Personally he looked like an idiot.

The woman who was scammed was someone with low self esteem and obviously very dumb. I mean c'mon he lied about his name and you still accept him. She didn't meet his family and friends yet she agreed to marry him. Plus who gives someone that much money? :roll: Its obvious SHE has issues, nothing to do with PUA.

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:shock: My grandma watches this show lol I can see her complaining about "Those nasty men and all of their women"

By the way "Dr. Phil" doesn't have a license of psychology in California and hasn't renewed it in Texas where he lives and I think films the show.

(So says my Psych teacher who went on a three minute rant about him)

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Ok, I think Dr. Phil did a really good job with presenting pua. Jeffries made a real ass outta himself. The MM guys did a really good job with it overall. Ross Jeffries just creeped out the whole fucking audience.... what a tool.

The dumb chick at the end was just lumped in with the whole thing. She just had low self esteem and got took. It wasnt a pua, jsut a manipulitive guy.

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That's really weird that Savoy and The Don were advertised there as mysterymethod. Everything I've heard says that they doing their stuff as Love Systems now. (even their bios on www.LoveSystems.com).

And I'm on their newsletter and haven't heard anything about this, whereas when Cajun (who is also a Love Systems instructor) went on Keys to the VIP and won I thought that they'd never shut up about it.

Anyone know?


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Fuck that show! I feel it wont hurt my game at all. Mainly b/c COME ON GUYS! WERE PUAS!!! We are giving the women what feels good! not whats logically correct! They love us !!! this show wont hurt yall at all! Emotions almost always win over logic!


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lets be honest it wont affect us,

its portrayed that way because its a show for women and women love nothing better than a good drama that they can then go and discuss at great length with their friends.

Those same women that watched the show and said how bad it is will all still be picked up by a PUA, a PUA should be natural and build a connection there is no way a woman should detect a good PUA picking her up. (Unless they are using canned stuff and being obvious)

The beauty of being a PUA is that its counter intuitive its not logical, we are constantly on the verge of getting away and any hb you pull will believe that they snared you not the other way around. (All women love to believe that they made the choice after all they chased you they validated themselves to you)

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That's really weird that Savoy and The Don were advertised there as mysterymethod. Everything I've heard says that they doing their stuff as Love Systems now. (even their bios on www.LoveSystems.com).

And I'm on their newsletter and haven't heard anything about this, whereas when Cajun (who is also a Love Systems instructor) went on Keys to the VIP and won I thought that they'd never shut up about it.

Anyone know?
Keys to the VIP is lame. Their challenges can be completed by students I take out on their second night, if not their first, so if a guy that proclaims to be a PUA can't do it, then he's a chump.

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anyone know where to view this episode or dl through t.orrent?
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Dr. Phil asks Amanda, another woman who was at the bar the night The Mystery Method students were on the prowl, "How do you feel about these guys being polished up?"



"I actually believe that you can have two different views on it," she says. "It's good because they're actually making an effort, but on the other hand, it's not good because it's not natural."



"Do you worry sometimes that if there's a really nice guy who just doesn't have the social skills, that you might miss him? Whereas if he learned how to engage you, you might discover somebody whom you might have missed otherwise," Dr. Phil asks. "You said it's not natural if they're kind of running a routine."



"In some ways it might not be natural because it didn't come from them. Someone taught them how to do that," she explains.



"Didn't somebody teach y'all how to put your makeup on, how to choose clothes, how to conduct yourself as a lady?" Dr. Phil asks. "Somebody invented the push-up bra for a reason!"
I was actually pretty surprised, in the slideshow it looks like as for when it comes to the nice guy (which we all were before something happened to us "ala we got fed up" and came and found how to get better with women) learning pick up, dr. phil is pretty not so biased he actually seems like he is siding with pick up. I love how the woman tho is like "its not natural... because someone thought him how to talk to women... wait wtf? how the hell else does ne1 learn something you stupid fuck"


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Though some of the "gurus" may have their issues, 99.9 percent
of the guys I met learning this are the NICE GUYS. They are the
guys women always say they are looking for, yet at the same
time are never attracted to.

Usually, the true assholes, jerks, and misogynists are too
cocky and arrogant to even consider that they might need
to "learn" how to interact with women.

...

The real victims in my experience were not women. The
victims I witnessed, the people I saw hurt by the game, were
only men. Because the game is a forking path: there's a light
side and a dark side, and some get lost in the dark side and
lose themselves -- in addition to creeping out the very women
they're trying to attract.
He's a great writer. :)

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